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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:22 PM Jan 2014

Mitt Romney: Women should only be granted birth control rights at the state level

Source: Raw Story

By David Edwards
Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:32 EST

Former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney said that his health care reform law in Massachusetts included birth control in insurance coverage but he opposed it in President Barack Obama’s law because only states should be able to grant those rights to women.

On Sunday, Fox News host Chris Wallace pointed out to Romney that Massachusetts’ so-called Romneycare law included the type of birth control mandate that was now being opposed in the United States Supreme Court by Little Sisters of the Poor and other Catholic groups. But Romney’s law differed from the Affordable Care in that it did not even offer a waiver for those non-profit organizations seeking an exemption.

“This was not an issue in our state,” Romney explained. “We didn’t have the Catholic church come to us and say, ‘Look, we’ve got a problem here with the type of legislation you’ve put in place.’ But frankly, Chris, whatever mistakes that were made in Massachusetts, those are mistakes that can be dealt with at the state level.”

“That’s why it was at the heart of my plan for health care in America — and I think the heart of the Republican plan for health care in replacing Obamacare — is to say, look, let’s let states put in place their own plans that make sense for their people,” he added. “We can have federal guidelines saying you need to get people covered, you need to deal with pre-existing conditions.”

“But don’t have the federal government take over health care, tell the American people precisely what type of coverage they have to have — have the federal government telling doctors what kinds of procedures are authorized and not. That is just not the way to go. Let states and individuals have the powers that the Constitution intended them to have.”

Watch this video from Fox News’ Fox News Sunday, broadcast Jan. 5, 2013.

Full article posted with the permission of Raw Story

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/05/mitt-romney-women-should-only-be-granted-birth-control-rights-at-the-state-level/





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Mitt Romney: Women should only be granted birth control rights at the state level (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2014 OP
Yeah, right Stargazer09 Jan 2014 #1
Agree! mountain grammy Jan 2014 #3
VERY well put! Kath1 Jan 2014 #11
I think women voted againt him Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #45
The margin was considered 'significant' siligut Jan 2014 #68
Ah, but we are moving goal posts Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #69
You are correct, rejection with extreme prejudice would have been more precise. siligut Jan 2014 #71
Again, Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #72
Reason # 578 677 999 not to vote Republican. nt Nonhlanhla Jan 2014 #2
Still a dick, I see! madashelltoo Jan 2014 #4
Exactly how I feel. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #20
Because women are too stupid, and morally weak to make such decisions. /sarcasm alfredo Jan 2014 #43
The government has to prove Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2014 #80
Rights are granted by God, not states Demeter Jan 2014 #5
nobody gives you rights. you must assert them yourself. elehhhhna Jan 2014 #19
In a slightly different light... Veilex Jan 2014 #31
Yes, the government doesn't give us rights; we're born with them. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #21
Indeed. EOM Veilex Jan 2014 #32
I'd take that a step further... Veilex Jan 2014 #30
Mitt who? merrily Jan 2014 #6
This guy needs to realize that he lost the election! Kath1 Jan 2014 #7
Who? Gore1FL Jan 2014 #8
Who gives a fat f__k what romney has to say.. movonne Jan 2014 #9
Isn't this the same man JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #10
Yes. One and the same. Kath1 Jan 2014 #14
Oh! That's right! JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #54
Breaking news? ...about what a mobster has to say? L0oniX Jan 2014 #12
THIS is why he was asked about bc during the debates. Loudly Jan 2014 #13
Romney gives us another reason to be glad that he livetohike Jan 2014 #15
hey mittwit, states don't "give women rights". women HAVE rights, the states and feds recognize niyad Jan 2014 #16
What does one say to this? pangaia Jan 2014 #17
Fucking GRANTED the right. The word granted enrages me. elehhhhna Jan 2014 #22
What can I say? pangaia Jan 2014 #25
Oh STFU NitwitMitt. SoapBox Jan 2014 #18
And RoMoney should be castrated on national teevee loudsue Jan 2014 #23
I wish these people would just stay in their man caves. Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #24
Rmoney has no idea what a man cave is. pangaia Jan 2014 #26
He thinks a man cave is when a husband loses an argument to his wife SummerSnow Jan 2014 #35
Or in other words, "Divide and conquor." marble falls Jan 2014 #27
Wanted to post this again about Romney's charges of racketeering Maraya1969 Jan 2014 #28
+ 100 million lunasun Jan 2014 #74
Says the man from the party in which the mantra is Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #29
Still a complete asshole, I see Scairp Jan 2014 #33
Who he? shenmue Jan 2014 #34
Reagan: get government off my back.... question everything Jan 2014 #36
The right to make health care decisions is inalienable, not granted The Second Stone Jan 2014 #37
I think they should be granted at birth. Pathwalker Jan 2014 #38
Gah! MoreGOPoop Jan 2014 #39
okay - this is the last freakin' straw - as a female contributing member of society UpInArms Jan 2014 #40
Birth Control is an Unalienable Right bucolic_frolic Jan 2014 #41
So the states christx30 Jan 2014 #42
Wow Kath1 Jan 2014 #44
You tell'm Mitt! JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2014 #46
Another old irrelevant white man with strong opinions truthisfreedom Jan 2014 #47
This is so wrong on so many levels ladym55 Jan 2014 #48
He's right about one thing jmowreader Jan 2014 #49
Perhaps Romney is thinking that he would make a better candidate than any of the other djean111 Jan 2014 #50
effin' der Mittens just can't seem to keep his effin' hand out of women's vaginas. Gee-zus, indepat Jan 2014 #51
Wait a minute! What's with "grants rights", buddy? CTyankee Jan 2014 #52
Thank goodness enough voters saw through this stupid sumbitch Warpy Jan 2014 #53
I feel like Hillary, "What difference does it make?" Birth control is about a woman's choice, Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #55
wonder how his grand-daughters fee about grandpa stupid. pansypoo53219 Jan 2014 #56
If it's a right..... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #57
Shut up, Mitty. Brigid Jan 2014 #58
Choice and BC/reproductive rights are what I consider 'crown jewels' of human rights issues.. livingwagenow Jan 2014 #59
They are still giving this guy airtime? davidpdx Jan 2014 #60
Dear Governor and Olympics guy oldandhappy Jan 2014 #61
Dear Mitt, your opinion is irrelevant. MadrasT Jan 2014 #62
oh yea!! you ass wipe! leave it to a fucking tartan2 Jan 2014 #63
Earth to Mitt: "No one cares what you think. You lost, remember?" yellowcanine Jan 2014 #64
Mitt just like John McCain you lost the fucking election. go away! Botany Jan 2014 #65
His name sounds sort of familiar. I wonder if I should know who he is struggle4progress Jan 2014 #66
So, Rmoney, you testing the Presidential waters with this "states rights" line? drynberg Jan 2014 #67
Last Post before I turn in. Birth Control Rights belong to women via the 10th Amendment which says 24601 Jan 2014 #70
I've always wanted a bumper sticker that reads: Xipe Totec Jan 2014 #73
Why not let the counties decide rather than the state. ScottyEss Jan 2014 #75
steering the discussion in teh right direction politicman Jan 2014 #76
I'm starting to wonder if that asshole thinks he can run again in 16! MADem Jan 2014 #77
He's just as stupid now as he was in 2012. SmittynMo Jan 2014 #78
"That way rich women, like those in my family, will still have access, Doctor_J Jan 2014 #79

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
1. Yeah, right
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:27 PM
Jan 2014

Let's leave it up to the states, because that makes it easier for backwards states like Oklahoma to screw with women's rights even more than they already do.

Fuck you, Romney. Go back to being irrelevant.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
11. VERY well put!
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:41 PM
Jan 2014

Yes.

Fuck you, Romney. You lost the election and American women overwhelming rejected you! Get over it and shut up!

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
45. I think women voted againt him
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 05:13 PM
Jan 2014

55%-45%, so I would hardly call that "overwhelming". In my book you have to at least crack 75% for an "overwhelming" anything.

66%-74% is "substantial".

56%-65% would be "marginally"

50.1%-55% would be "barely"

siligut

(12,272 posts)
68. The margin was considered 'significant'
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 08:02 PM
Jan 2014
According to CNN's exit polls, 55 percent of women voted for Obama, while only 44 percent voted for Mitt Romney. Men preferred Romney by a margin of 52 to 45 percent, and women made up about 54 percent of the electorate. In total, the gender gap on Tuesday added up to 18 percent -- a significantly wider margin than the 12-point gender gap in the 2008 election.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/gender-gap-2012-election-obama_n_2086004.html


That measly 6% means something when applied to voting trends.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
69. Ah, but we are moving goal posts
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 09:23 PM
Jan 2014

If we want to discuss the change between 2008 and 2012, then yes, a 50% increase in women voting for Obama is "significant" However, the discussion was the aggregate vote, which was 55%-45%, which does NOT constitute "overwhelming" rejection by women by any reasonable definition of the word "overwhelming".

siligut

(12,272 posts)
71. You are correct, rejection with extreme prejudice would have been more precise.
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 10:17 PM
Jan 2014
Women voted in record numbers, and the gender gap between the two candidates could not have been more profound. Unmarried women backed the president by an incredible 38 percentage-point margin over Romney, a statistic which was one of the most striking of Tuesday night.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/07/womens-vote-obama-victory-election


There has been much discussion about the demographic makeup of the 2012 electorate, and one thing is clear: Women’s voices determined the outcome of the election. Across the board, women made the difference.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/women/report/2012/12/12/47916/how-women-changed-the-outcome-of-the-election/




 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
72. Again,
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 11:02 PM
Jan 2014

apples and oranges.

The original context was "women" as a whole rejecting Romney "overwhelmingly".

They didn't. They rejected him 55%-45%.

madashelltoo

(1,698 posts)
4. Still a dick, I see!
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:31 PM
Jan 2014

Why does anyone, state or federal, need to pass legislation to tell women what to do about reproduction? I'll go along with it the day they legislate the proper use and maintenance of a man's dick . . . And then fucking enforce it like they mean it.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
20. Exactly how I feel.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jan 2014

Why does the government, federal or state, have to make such laws in the first place? The right of women to obtain birth control is innate as far as I'm concerned.

Does the government have to make a law saying that men can take Viagra? No, because everyone understands that it's strictly up to a man and his doctor to make that decision. The government need not say anything about it one way or another.

Anytime anyone even suggests that there should be laws putting restrictions on birth control, they should be jeered at and have rotten fruit thrown at them. Women should not put up with such shit. They need to claim their innate rights to do as they like with their own bodies.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
43. Because women are too stupid, and morally weak to make such decisions. /sarcasm
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 03:31 PM
Jan 2014

Please don't hurt me.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
80. The government has to prove
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 10:09 AM
Jan 2014

that passing certain laws don't substantially interfere with religious exercise yet government doesn't have to prove that passing certain laws doesn't substantially interfere w/reproduction, sexuality, etc.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
5. Rights are granted by God, not states
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:34 PM
Jan 2014

States grant privileges.

Birth control in any form is not a "privilege", but a right, one of those Unalienable Rights (life, liberty and pursuit of happiness applies to women as well as Obscenely wealthy old white Republicans).

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
31. In a slightly different light...
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:46 PM
Jan 2014

We all start with rights, that many others are trying to take away.
If you don't assert control on your life (and your rights), someone else
will happily do it for you.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
21. Yes, the government doesn't give us rights; we're born with them.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jan 2014

All we have to do is claim them. People need to see it that way.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
30. I'd take that a step further...
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:43 PM
Jan 2014

Rights are granted by being alive.

Romney doesn't want the Federal Government getting between a patient and their doctor,
but State Government is somehow okay? Huh?!?

I'm a big fan of the quote: Your rights end where another's begin

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
7. This guy needs to realize that he lost the election!
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jan 2014

Thanks for your opinion, Mitt, but there are a hell of a lot of us who believe that women should have access to contraception and, yes, abortion services. No one needs to "...grant those rights to women." Those rights are essential for women. Go back to your life of luxury, shut the hell up and leave women alone!

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
13. THIS is why he was asked about bc during the debates.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:42 PM
Jan 2014

Would he nominate SCOTUS justices who would overturn Griswold v. Connecticut?

It's not at all a red herring gotcha line of questioning, as conservatives claimed at the time.

niyad

(113,315 posts)
16. hey mittwit, states don't "give women rights". women HAVE rights, the states and feds recognize
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:57 PM
Jan 2014

(or try to halt recognizing) those rights. PERIOD.

now shut up and retire to that oblivion you so richly merit.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
17. What does one say to this?
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jan 2014
"...... but he opposed it in President Barack Obama’s law because only states should be able to grant those rights to women...."

Ah gobble-dee gook-------I have no idea what to say.... 4 college degrees and I have no intelligent words......
SO---

GO PACK !!!!!!

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
25. What can I say?
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 01:50 PM
Jan 2014

Pisses me off. also.
But, I have to stay sane....
So I try to change minds at a time.. when I see an opening.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
18. Oh STFU NitwitMitt.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jan 2014

Go sit in your mult-million dollar homes and leave us poor people alone.

p.s...take a ride on your "car elevator" for us.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
23. And RoMoney should be castrated on national teevee
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jan 2014

Hell. I'd pay two months of cable for the right to see that!

Maraya1969

(22,480 posts)
28. Wanted to post this again about Romney's charges of racketeering
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:31 PM
Jan 2014
http://politicalblindspot.com/yes-mitt-47-romney-is-really-being-brought-up-on-racketeering-charges/

In this case, the “Prosecutorial Gap” was that Colm F. Connolly, the former United States Attorney in Delaware, was a partner in the law firm of Morris, Nichols, Arsht & Tunnell (MNAT) in 2001. He had not disclosed this important fact while he backed off of investigating the complaints Haas lodged against Romney and company. Because of Romney’s friends like Connolly, all of this stayed out of the news during the 2012 campaign.

Haas claims that he has evidence that Romney and his cohorts committed perjury on 35 separate occasions. He even says that there is strong evidence linking them to murders carried out to cover all of this up.

Haas is suing for $100 million, and says this is to recover some of the losses for the victims of the unethical and illegal actions of Romney, Bain Capital, Goldman Sachs, Kay Bee Toys and Stage Stores.

Haas alleged in his affidavit to the Securities and Exchange Commission that he was offered $850,000 by Bain to keep silent about what he uncovered. He refused and then reported the bribe, but was told that since the bribe was not accepted, no crime had been committed.



Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
29. Says the man from the party in which the mantra is
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:37 PM
Jan 2014

getting gummit outta our biness. Unless, of course, it's a woman's right to choose or who people want to marry each other. Then it's different. Those things will make the baby Jesus cry.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
33. Still a complete asshole, I see
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jan 2014

"Grant" women the "right" to birth control? What the fuck? And I'm betting he still cannot figure out how he lost a presidential election. You are a dickhead, Mitt, that's why.

question everything

(47,479 posts)
36. Reagan: get government off my back....
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jan 2014

and off my bedroom, my doctor's office, and my child's school prayer..

MoreGOPoop

(417 posts)
39. Gah!
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jan 2014

See here, ShittWitt, wtf do you think you are that you can
"grant women rights" at any fecking level? And, wtf is this
asshole doing back on the scene? Are they going to try to
install this crook as pResident, again?

Rant over, for now. Gotta get over to SCE's lulz for a fix.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
40. okay - this is the last freakin' straw - as a female contributing member of society
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 03:16 PM
Jan 2014

I think it's downright time to turn the table on these domineering pieces of shit.

I think all men should be castrated at the state level - (see how sweeping this crap can be?)

Fuck you, Rmoney and the house you rode in on.


(edited for bad grammar)

christx30

(6,241 posts)
42. So the states
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jan 2014

can grant or take away birth control rights to their citizens. Does that follow that Romney believes states own their citizens?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
46. You tell'm Mitt!
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jan 2014

Keep spouting the sort of stuff that alienates the "reasonable" Republicans and motivates Democratic voters!

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
48. This is so wrong on so many levels
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jan 2014

First, why on earth should anyone care what Mitt Romney has to say about anything? He has no public role now.

Second, what's up with states granting women rights to access birth control? Seriously? Let's put Mittens concept in place ... and watch even MORE jobs move from floundering red states to blue states.

And another puzzler ... The Catholic Church has been in a tizzy over the ACA and birth control. They apparently were happy as clams with the provisions in Massachusetts. Huh. What's up with that?

And one more thing ... What Republican plan for health care?

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
49. He's right about one thing
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 06:25 PM
Jan 2014

The mistakes that were made in Massachusetts were dealt with on a state level.

The biggest mistake made in Massachusetts was electing Mitt Romney in the first place.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
50. Perhaps Romney is thinking that he would make a better candidate than any of the other
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 07:22 PM
Jan 2014

clowns currently declaring themselves the Hope of the GOP in 2016. In a sad way, he may be right, although I believe Christie's bellicose in-your-face bullying actually endears him to a big part of the dependable GOP base.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
51. effin' der Mittens just can't seem to keep his effin' hand out of women's vaginas. Gee-zus,
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 08:10 PM
Jan 2014

what next dick-head.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
52. Wait a minute! What's with "grants rights", buddy?
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 08:40 PM
Jan 2014

4th Amendment and all that. AND Griswold v. Connecticut, in case you never got that at Harvard, Mitt you shithead.

Mitt you irritate the hell out of me...go away for good...

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
53. Thank goodness enough voters saw through this stupid sumbitch
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 08:43 PM
Jan 2014

that we got a second Obama term. Even if you're disappointed in him for not being a complete liberal, he's a lot better than we would have had if that heartless weirdo had gotten in.


Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
55. I feel like Hillary, "What difference does it make?" Birth control is about a woman's choice,
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jan 2014

It is not up to the state or federal level for me to decide. This may be how it works in the Morman faith where the bishop gets to decide but not in the world of women.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
57. If it's a right.....
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 09:48 PM
Jan 2014

...how can a state ''grant'' it?

- Aren't rights, by definition, inalienable?

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
58. Shut up, Mitty.
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 10:06 PM
Jan 2014

You lost. That means we don't want to hear from you again. Go away. Disappear. Get lost. Amscray.

 

livingwagenow

(373 posts)
59. Choice and BC/reproductive rights are what I consider 'crown jewels' of human rights issues..
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 11:28 PM
Jan 2014

Women's rights and equality are among the most important human rights issues facing the human race.

Choice and repro/bc rights are among the most front and center of cherished freedoms of a truly free society. I'm a gay guy but I fully understand the need to vote to protect women's human rights and freedoms.

I vote against Republicans always. Even if I have to hold my nose for a moderate Dem. I prefer radical progressives.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
61. Dear Governor and Olympics guy
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 12:20 PM
Jan 2014

Women should not have to have legislative permission from anyone to take care of their bodies and to make decisions which are the domain of themselves and, if in a sexual relationship, their partners. Health Care for Everyone!! Maybe men should have to have permission for their needs??

tartan2

(314 posts)
63. oh yea!! you ass wipe! leave it to a fucking
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 01:25 PM
Jan 2014

old white man to get in to the business of women's birth control. Mitt just shut the fuck up.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
64. Earth to Mitt: "No one cares what you think. You lost, remember?"
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jan 2014

Now go away and do whatever it is you do when you are not on Teevee.

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
66. His name sounds sort of familiar. I wonder if I should know who he is
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 07:28 PM
Jan 2014

Could this be that guy who made those offensive comments? I'm trying to remember if he got pulled over for drunk driving

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
67. So, Rmoney, you testing the Presidential waters with this "states rights" line?
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jan 2014

I think you should be nominated again, as you present a less scary target than some of your ReThug cronies. Yeah, Go Mitt!

24601

(3,962 posts)
70. Last Post before I turn in. Birth Control Rights belong to women via the 10th Amendment which says
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jan 2014

in effect (not a quote) Powers not delegated to the Federal Government, not prohibited to the states are reserved to the states, or to the people.

1. Nothing in the Constitution delegates it to the federal government.

2. So is it a state or an individual issue? Griswold v. Connecticut would suggest the state lacks a compelling interest to put it in the state bit-bucket.

However, that's regarding state prohibitions affecting individual privacy, not really about requiring the ACA mandates, or how they are or are not affected by competing individual & group rights.

 

ScottyEss

(54 posts)
75. Why not let the counties decide rather than the state.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 05:14 AM
Jan 2014

And has he divested himself of the abortion remains transport company that he was making bank on?

Doubt it.

 

politicman

(710 posts)
76. steering the discussion in teh right direction
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 05:38 AM
Jan 2014

OK people, no one jump on me please.

I hate that prick, but to be fair, I don't think the word 'grant' was used in connection with states granting women the right of birth control, I think he used it in connection with requiring all insurance plans to provide birth control to women.

I believe that birth control should be included in all insurance plans, so I disagree with that asshole, thank god for that.

But I just wanted to focus the discussion in the right direction because after reading some comments on here, people are getting pissed off thinking he said that a state can decide if a women uses birth control period.

I still hate the mofo though.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
77. I'm starting to wonder if that asshole thinks he can run again in 16!
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 06:15 AM
Jan 2014

He's been out and about, mouthing off, a LOT lately....

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
79. "That way rich women, like those in my family, will still have access,
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 09:51 AM
Jan 2014

since they can just travel to a civilized state for the procedure. The poor won't be able to afford rights, which is how it should be"

- Willard

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