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(47,544 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 02:28 PM Jan 2014

Leaky Tank's Design, Age Probed

Source: WSJ

CHARLESTON, W.Va.—As probes develop into a chemical spill here that tainted the water supply, investigators are looking at the design, age and maintenance of the tank that failed, a nondescript storage container sealed with rivets and installed in 1938.

Experts in storage-tank construction say modern standards and testing are much stricter than they used to be, and almost all large steel tanks are now welded, not held together with rivets. But an untold number of smaller companies across the country still store chemicals in older, riveted tanks, they say.

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Freedom Industries Inc., the tank's owner, was required under state law to have a groundwater-protection plan. State environmental officials said Wednesday they have no record of such a plan. State regulation also requires the company to have a containment structure around its tanks sufficient to contain a spill for at least 72 hours.

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Age and upkeep likely were factors in its failure, experts said. While rivets commonly were used in tanks in the 1930s and 1940s, advanced welding is the modern standard, according to Fred Ruinen, corporate sales manager at Fisher Tank Co. of Chester, Pa. Industry standards today call for X-ray tests of a tank's seals, water tests to find leaks, layered bottoms, liners to help keep the seal, leak sensors and secure containment areas, Mr. Ruinen said. Many riveted tanks are being replaced because rivets can corrode over time.


Read more: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304419104579323044229021018



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Leaky Tank's Design, Age Probed (Original Post) question everything Jan 2014 OP
All riveted tanks holding anything more toxic than water dbackjon Jan 2014 #1
But in some locations welding is NOT the first choice happyslug Jan 2014 #3
Okay now, you see, the whole point of regulations Aristus Jan 2014 #2
And, leave it to Jon Stewart to ask: why build such a plant next to the water supply question everything Jan 2014 #4
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
3. But in some locations welding is NOT the first choice
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jan 2014

Rivets have not been used since the early 1960s, they were replaced by high tech nuts and bolts. The Nuts and bolts are more expensive, but you do not need to heat them before installing them and it is almost impossible to for them to "pop" like rivets.

The problem with welding is it makes a very strong, but leave nothing to stop crack once it starts cracking. This came up in the Liberty Ships of WWII. Prior to WWII it was common to Rivets ships together, but during WWII Kaiser Ship building came up with a way to do it by welding. This worked well till, the US had to start to send those ships to Russia. The water was so COLD it made the steel in the ship very brittle, so brittle that the weld would snap and you would lose the ship. The older Riveted ships did not have this problem for the Rivets permitted the steel to flex in the cold temperatures OR once a crack started it would stop at the next Rivet. It took them a while to figure out why these ships were failing, but once it was found the solution was simple. It involved riveting a long piece of steel along the side of the Liberty Ship (one long steel on EACH side total of two).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship

Thus in some situation you want something other then welds, but that is why we have engineers to tell us when something is finished. A 75 year old tank failing is NOT evidence of a failure of the DESIGN, but a failure do to age. The Recent cold temperatures may have been a factor in weakening the tank.

Tanks over 50 years old should be inspected at least once every year (or at least once every five years) but no inspections were made and that is the problem here, not that it was riveted.

Aristus

(66,474 posts)
2. Okay now, you see, the whole point of regulations
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 03:11 PM
Jan 2014

is to do this before the chemical spill happens. You know, in order to lessen the chances of it happening.

Shit, that's so simple, I'd think even a mountaineer could understand it...

question everything

(47,544 posts)
4. And, leave it to Jon Stewart to ask: why build such a plant next to the water supply
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 04:38 PM
Jan 2014

in the first place? And up river?

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