Evidence of 'industrial-scale killing' by Syria spurs call for war crimes charges
Source: The Guardian
Syrian government officials could face war crimes charges in the light of a huge cache of evidence smuggled out of the country showing the "systematic killing" of about 11,000 detainees, according to three eminent international lawyers.
The three, former prosecutors at the criminal tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Sierra Leone, examined thousands of Syrian government photographs and files recording deaths in the custody of regime security forces from March 2011 to last August.
Most of the victims were young men and many corpses were emaciated, bloodstained and bore signs of torture. Some had no eyes; others showed signs of strangulation or electrocution.
The UN and independent human rights groups have documented abuses by both Bashar al-Assad's government and rebels, but experts say this evidence is more detailed and on a far larger scale than anything else that has yet emerged from the 34-month crisis.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/20/evidence-industrial-scale-killing-syria-war-crimes
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)Some serious NATO intervention.
11,000 people, captured and tortured to death, basically?
That is horrifying.
I think it may be time to intercede in this situation in a big way, assuming the reports are true (and not just designed to trick us into this very action).
karynnj
(59,504 posts)This COULD be the pressure that is used to push Assad to step down - even though he is winning.
As to a NATO force entering a civil war that has a minimum of three sides as it is? (AQ, Assad allies and people both are fighting.)
I think you are articulating the McCain/Graham plan -- though they might prefer the US itself intervening directly.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)funded by the Saudis and shot in Los Angeles.
Syria would have a negative population if all the reports of killing produced by the rebels were to be believed.
It is a small country and 11,000 is a very large number -- doesn't pass the stink test.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)We are getting muddled information about what is going on in Syria. I favor clarifying the facts.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)When you blame EVERYTHING on the Saudis, CIA, NWO & whatever else you fear you begin to discredit yourself. Just sayin.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)so 11,000 people being massacred is equivalent to 161,000 Americans or 500,000 Chinese being massacred. It would be a big deal and not come out so surreptitiously and so late.
Despite the civil war, there are dozens of reporters all over Syria and at least one of them would have observed a massacre of such a large scale.
Besides, Assad is winning -- the rebels are fragmented and killing each other. There is no need for a massacre for Assad.
Thus, the news doesn't pass the stink test.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Especially the part that talks about how the deaths were of people in the custody of the security forces from March 2011 until last August. How many reporters have access to Syrian prison to watch executions and torture?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)obviously exaggerated. Would you believe if a news item states 528,000 people were tortured and executed in China? Same proportionality.
After the fake false flag chemical weapons accusation, the rebels (I mean terrorists) - heavily funded by the Saudis -- are capable of anything.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Civil wars are notoriously bloody. 11,000 deaths over 17 months is not a huge number in that context.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)thus no big deal anyway. In other words, the terrorists ("rebels" are making a big deal out of a generally acceptable death toll - i.e. propagandizing ... which was my original point.
hack89
(39,171 posts)I can't believe you are incapable of denouncing this.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Were you there observing it?
hack89
(39,171 posts)Initial diplomatic reports from Western countries stated that 1,000 were killed.[3][4] Subsequent estimates vary, with the lower estimates claiming that at least 10,000 Syrian citizens were killed,[5] while others put the number at 20,000 (Robert Fisk),[1] or 40,000 (Syrian Human Rights Committee).[6][2] About 1,000 Syrian soldiers were killed during the operation and large parts of the old city were destroyed. Alongside such events as Black September in Jordan,[7] the attack has been described as one of "the single deadliest acts by any Arab government against its own people in the modern Middle East".[8] The vast majority of the victims were civilians
why you think they are incapable of such acts is beyond me.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)say anything?
The estimate ranged from 1,000 to 40,000 with no definitive evidence. People with an axe to grind are the ones coming up with these estimates.
How long would a weatherperson at your local TV last if he/she "estimated" the next day's temperature between -20 degrees and 80 degrees?
hack89
(39,171 posts)they are an oppressive regime with the blood of innocents on their hands. Why is it so important that they be given a pass on their crimes?
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)I believe in a laissez-faire approach instead of imposing Western values on ancient cultures.
Are the Saudis any less brutal? How about the Qataris? What about Ba'hrain?
Most people wouldn't have even heard of Assad under normal circumstances but Israel wants to have a regime change there, so it is kept in the public eye.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Stalin gives them a good run too.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)For some reasons, here, we love dictatorship.
Anything except that "Muslim " who must paid for 911.
Liberty is for anybody except "them". But not for the one's who have AS juste to survive.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)It's not like DU cares - I have screamed for someone to kick Half-ass Assad's kid Quarter-Ass out of office for years. Same with Islam Karimov, Kim Jung Yoda and his Pet Boy Jabba the Kim, Alexandr Lushenko, the Saudi Royal Family and that psycho in Turkmenistan.
We love dictatorships? SPEAK FOR YOURSELF, buddy!
Anything except that "Muslim " who must paid for 911. - What? Mastercard or American Express?
Liberty is for anybody except "them". But not for the one's who have AS juste to survive. - What?
You make no sense. Are you sure you're at the correct website?
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)And I have a memory of so much Dictator-Love here, that I'm almost sure that the Tunisian's revolution happen instead of you, and that's unfortunates.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)"And I have a memory of so much Dictator-Love here." - Care to offer a little evidence where that happened and DUers responded in the affirmative.
"I'm almost sure that the Tunisian's revolution happen instead of you" - Ummm. . .what? Something happened instead of me? You lost me.
"that's unfortunates" - Again. . .WTF is this???
smiley
(1,432 posts)I'm yet to read a post by you that resembles any sense of grammar or reading comprehension.
You might want to slow down and think before you type. You're points may be taken seriously if you attempt this. The way they are now, I would be surprised if anyone knows what you're talking about.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Juste because they like it. It's so easier for you.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)supported the dictator?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)many of us opposed intervention in Syria because we are sick to death of sticking our nose where it doesn't belong. Plus, we cannot financially afford a second war. And, who do we back if we do help out? The murderous thugs running the government or the murderous thugs trying to take over. Both sides are animals.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)You'd be for deposing Assad but would you support kicking the Saudi Royal family's ass and making Saudi Arabia secular instead of a Wahabi hell?
Aren't the Saudis dictators too?
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)treated fairly and humanely in that country. Because they've been so careful to avoid bombing, displacing, starving and gassing their own citizens.