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kpete

(72,013 posts)
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 10:48 PM Jan 2014

Snowden Docs: U.S. Spied on Negotiators At 2009 Climate Summit

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- The National Security Agency monitored the communications of other governments ahead of and during the 2009 United Nations climate negotiations in Copenhagen, Denmark, according to the latest document from whistleblower Edward Snowden.

The document, with portions marked "top secret," indicates that the NSA was monitoring the communications of other countries ahead of the conference, and intended to continue doing so throughout the meeting. Posted on an internal NSA website on Dec. 7, 2009, the first day of the Copenhagen summit, it states that "analysts here at NSA, as well as our Second Party partners, will continue to provide policymakers with unique, timely, and valuable insights into key countries' preparations and goals for the conference, as well as the deliberations within countries on climate change policies and negotiation strategies."

"Second Party partners" refers to the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, with which the U.S. has an intelligence-sharing relationship. "While the outcome of the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference remains uncertain, signals intelligence will undoubtedly play a significant role in keeping our negotiators as well informed as possible throughout the 2-week event," the document says.

The Huffington Post published the documents Wednesday night in coordination with the Danish daily newspaper Information, which worked with American journalist Laura Poitras.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/29/snowden-nsa-surveillance-_n_4681362.html



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Snowden Docs: U.S. Spied on Negotiators At 2009 Climate Summit (Original Post) kpete Jan 2014 OP
Ok...I've had it with this guy ! jaysunb Jan 2014 #1
seriously?! Oscarmonster13 Jan 2014 #2
+1000! Fearless Jan 2014 #3
Right on! n/t Titonwan Jan 2014 #25
missed the climate focus in the SOTU belltower Jan 2014 #4
Well then you missed.. President Obama has signed an Executive order Cha Jan 2014 #5
In the SOTU he claims fracking more natural gas is a solution for dealing with climate change. reusrename Jan 2014 #9
Yes. That was the low point of the speech. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #11
you must be a damned tree-hugger reusrename Jan 2014 #12
hes not the only democrat either.. iamthebandfanman Jan 2014 #14
to the contrary belltower Jan 2014 #28
If that is how you feel you might asjr Jan 2014 #6
screw that belltower Jan 2014 #29
Putin's Puppet.. Cha Jan 2014 #8
Why? Because you don't like the message? fujiyama Jan 2014 #17
May I inquire as to WHAT, this message is ? jaysunb Jan 2014 #18
I know what you mean. DeSwiss Jan 2014 #20
The point was to control the negotiations, and keep commitments to change to a minimum muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #23
Feeling safer? Ash_F Jan 2014 #7
who didn't suspect this happened(if it did)? quadrature Jan 2014 #10
But it was to keep us safe from tarrarrists! n/t JoeyT Jan 2014 #13
Can't let no climate summit sneak up on our corporate masters JEB Jan 2014 #15
Bingo. jsr Jan 2014 #16
Yawn! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #19
K&R DeSwiss Jan 2014 #21
Spying on the United Nations RandiFan1290 Jan 2014 #22
I used to think our politicians were 'vetted' Titonwan Jan 2014 #26
K&R Titonwan Jan 2014 #24
The Guardian is sharper: "Snowden revelations of NSA spying on Copenhagen climate talks spark anger" BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #27

Oscarmonster13

(209 posts)
2. seriously?!
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 11:03 PM
Jan 2014

Considering that summit was a failure, it goes to show that the US was hedging its bets the whole time. which is NOT what our President said he would do upon entering office, right?

I am glad for these revelations, but I wish they would cause more of a backlash or a rectification of policies...all it is really doing is making me hate my government more and feel helpless to shift a goddamn thing. not to mention the horror show that will happen when these powers eventually fall into a republican president's hand.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely it would seem.

 

belltower

(74 posts)
4. missed the climate focus in the SOTU
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 11:15 PM
Jan 2014

guess he's leaving this problem for the next guy/gal.

gawd help us, because our prez sure aint.

Cha

(297,570 posts)
5. Well then you missed.. President Obama has signed an Executive order
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 11:28 PM
Jan 2014

to help with Climate Change.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/11/01/fact-sheet-executive-order-climate-preparedness

It really doesn't help when you don't know what you're talking about but spread misinformation on a Democratic board.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
9. In the SOTU he claims fracking more natural gas is a solution for dealing with climate change.
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 11:47 PM
Jan 2014

Do you agree?

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
14. hes not the only democrat either..
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 12:54 AM
Jan 2014

the fracking industry has embedded itself into the party elites like crazy...
you should go look up how many former democratic policitians now work for fracking companies or the people lobbying for them... a lot of former Clinton administration folks involved in it.. not to mention folks like ed Rendell who gets to come on MSNBC for a democratic point of view on subjects al lthe time :p

fracking is a terrible practice.. but I am glad he hasn't let up on the coal industry.. even if it is replacing one polluter with a 'slightly less' polluting polluter. id imagine its the only alternative any republicans would ever buy into.

 

belltower

(74 posts)
28. to the contrary
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:42 PM
Jan 2014

A focus on climate change is a program to REDUCE co2 & methane by 80% in the next 6 years. Kinda missed that part. Thanks for the link to mitigation task force, which is about what that is.

 

belltower

(74 posts)
29. screw that
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jan 2014

A focus on climate change is a program to REDUCE co2 & methane by 80% in the next 6 years. Kinda missed that part. Thanks for the dismissal, clown.

Cha

(297,570 posts)
8. Putin's Puppet..
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 11:41 PM
Jan 2014
Is Snowden Putin's Puppet?

By Garry Kasparov

Garry Kasparov is the chairman of the New York-based Human Rights Foundation.

snip//

"Whistleblower, traitor, hero, villain, Snowden may be many things at once but his apologies for the brutal record of Putin and the Russian state are inexcusable."

snip//

"My reaction is not only due to Snowden’s first statement from Russia, while he was still in legal limbo at the Sheremetyevo airport, in which he included Putin’s Russia—a police state and patron of despotism worldwide—on his list of nations that “stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless.” Putin’s many political prisoners would disagree quite strongly, and Snowden could have been more respectful of the many injured and dead among journalists and his fellow whistleblowers in Russia."

end snip//

"Outside the stadiums, Sochi will be defined by how well the Olympics shine a spotlight on the corruption and repression of Putin and all who willingly overlook his crimes."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/29/snowden-s-revelations-shouldn-t-distract-from-putin-s-brutal-rule.html

DonViejo http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251351177#post7
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
20. I know what you mean.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:12 AM
Jan 2014

Let's just pardon him, and bring him home. And then start holding trials for the bastards and traitors that he's risked his life to expose on our behalf. When he could have just stayed silent like most everyone else would have done.

- Right?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,355 posts)
23. The point was to control the negotiations, and keep commitments to change to a minimum
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:24 AM
Jan 2014
The Danish proposal was a draft agreement that the country's negotiators had drawn up in the months ahead of the summit in consultation with a small number key of countries. The text was leaked to The Guardian early in the conference, causing some disarray as countries that were not consulted balked that it promoted the interests of developed nations and undermined principles laid out in previous climate negotiations. As Information reports, Danish officials wanted to keep U.S. negotiators from seeing the text in the weeks ahead of the conference, worried that it may dim their ambitions in the negotiations for proposed cuts to greenhouse gas emissions.
...
That could be why U.S. negotiators took the positions they did going into the conference, a Danish official told Information. "They simply sat back, just as we had feared they would if they knew about our document," the official said. "They made no constructive statements. Obviously, if they had known about our plans since the fall of 2009, it was in their interest to simply wait for our draft proposal to be brought to the table at the summit."
...
The three-page document set a goal of keeping the average rise in global temperature to less than 2 degrees Celsius, but allowed countries to write their own plans for cutting emissions -- leaving out any legally binding targets or even a path to a formal treaty. Obama called the accord "an unprecedented breakthrough" in a press conference, then took off for home on Air Force One. But other countries balked, pointing out that the accord was merely a political agreement, drafted outside the U.N. process and of uncertain influence for future negotiations.

The climate summits since then have advanced at a glacial pace; a legally binding treaty isn't currently expected until 2015. And the U.S. Congress, despite assurances made in Copenhagen, never passed new laws cutting planet-warming emissions. (The Environmental Protection Agency is, however, moving forward with regulations on emissions from power plants, but a new law to addressing the issue had been widely considered as preferable.)

Interests of established national players (eg energy companies) were still coming first. I can see why you say you've had it with Obama, if you thought he was purely concerned about climate change.
 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
10. who didn't suspect this happened(if it did)?
Wed Jan 29, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jan 2014

c'mon

everybody listens to cell-phone chatter

edit, add some stuff.
remember when the meeting of 4 South American
presidents was crashed by Obama?
(do you think he was looking for the rest room. no)
cell phones are constantly transmitting their position.
Obama (or the NSA) knew where the cell phones were.

edit again.
Davos. NSA heaven for spies.
open mike every night

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
15. Can't let no climate summit sneak up on our corporate masters
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 01:06 AM
Jan 2014

and ding their short term profits. Unleash the NSA hounds.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
21. K&R
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 03:18 AM
Jan 2014


- Doesn't the rest of the world realize yet that we're the ones who know what's best for them?!?!? That we're only doing all this for their sakes!?!?! That we only want to keep them safe!?!?!? Don't they know that the BOOGIE MAN is out there and he'll get them if they don't watch out!!!

RandiFan1290

(6,239 posts)
22. Spying on the United Nations
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 07:03 AM
Jan 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spying_on_the_United_Nations

In one notable incident, the US and other Western countries were found to be spying on the UN in March 2003, in the run-up to the Iraq War, and actual bugging devices were found inside the UN

Titonwan

(785 posts)
26. I used to think our politicians were 'vetted'
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:46 AM
Jan 2014

to find out if they had any skeletons in their closet. Apparently they do, but decide to sit on the dirty details so when they* want something done they can show what they got on them.

I'm beginning to feel like Jimmy Carter was the last president not being blackmailed by the secret inner government. Hard to get dirt on a peanut farmer

*The NSA, CIA et al

Titonwan

(785 posts)
24. K&R
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:33 AM
Jan 2014

Thank you, Edward, Glenn, Barton and Laura. You're making the wrong people very angry. And I love that!

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
27. The Guardian is sharper: "Snowden revelations of NSA spying on Copenhagen climate talks spark anger"
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jan 2014
Developing countries have reacted angrily to revelations that the United States spied on other governments at the Copenhagen climate summit in 2009.

Documents leaked by Edward Snowden show how the US National Security Agency (NSA) monitored communication between key countries before and during the conference to give their negotiators advance information about other positions at the high-profile meeting where world leaders including Barack Obama, Gordon Brown and Angela Merkel failed to agree to a strong deal on climate change.

snip

Civil society groups from around the world condemned the US. "The UN climate talks are supposed to be about building trust – that's been under threat for years because of the US backward position on climate action – these revelations will only crack that trust further," said Meena Raman, negotiations expert from the Malaysian-based Third World Network.

"Fighting climate change is a global struggle, and these revelations clearly show that the US government is more interested in crassly protecting a few vested interests," said Brandon Wu, senior policy analyst with development organisation ActionAid in the United States.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jan/30/snowden-nsa-spying-copenhagen-climate-talks
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