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DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:36 PM Jan 2014

Senator: Taking of Salt Lake City school lunches ‘abuse of power’

Source: The Salt Lake Tribune

By Kirsten Stewart and lisa Schencker
The Salt Lake Tribune
First Published 6 hours ago • Updated 1 hour ago


Utah lawmakers are questioning school lunch policies after the seizure of lunches Tuesday from nearly 40 students with outstanding account balances at Uintah Elementary.

Sens. Jim Dabakis, D-Salt Lake City, and Todd Weiler, R-Woods Cross, visited the school Thursday, holding a press conference outside before joining kids for meals inside. Weiler called the incident "bullying."

"To me this rises to the level of bullying," Weiler said. "Children were humiliated." Weiler said he thinks someone should be fired over the matter.

"I think it’s an abuse of power," Weiler said. "This person came into a school and used her power to humiliate and embarrass children and I think we ought to draw a line and say that’s not acceptable behavior."


Read more: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57472249-78/lunch-district-lunches-lake.html.csp



The idea of the giving the children their food, and then the taking it and and throwing it away -- and worse, to do so in front of their friends and peers -- is both intimidating and humiliating.

- These are not the kind of lessons they should be teaching a child.
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Senator: Taking of Salt Lake City school lunches ‘abuse of power’ (Original Post) DeSwiss Jan 2014 OP
The whole thing is appalling, especially taking the food away once given. Shrike47 Jan 2014 #1
I suppose..... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #6
Unfortunately, elleng Jan 2014 #2
This was a bureaucrat..... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #9
I read that one of the cafeteria workers started to cry. What's really awesome is I also read that okaawhatever Jan 2014 #12
Yes, I saw that story, elleng Jan 2014 #15
You are so right ellen, sheshe2 Jan 2014 #18
Exactly. Thank you. nt Chorophyll Jan 2014 #28
We spent $20 billion in 2011...... DeSwiss Jan 2014 #17
You know what, that's exactly what I was thinking. Remember the big drama about some troops not okaawhatever Jan 2014 #21
Vietnam guys would have loved to have been given MREs or as they were called back then Bandit Jan 2014 #36
This atrocity can't attract nearly enough negative attention. Judi Lynn Jan 2014 #3
Well, here's some of the good parts: DeSwiss Jan 2014 #11
"they might work together" Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #24
Textbook victim blaming -- it rises to the level of CHILD ABUSE. rocktivity Jan 2014 #4
Another lesson in Mormon Christianity....how sensitive Submariner Jan 2014 #5
where did the article Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #16
Hilarious post. Thank you. nt okaawhatever Jan 2014 #22
Ohhhhhh. What lesson will these innocent children take away from this? japple Jan 2014 #7
At this point, defacto7 Jan 2014 #33
Equal opportunity is equal opportunity Red Mountain Jan 2014 #8
That happened to my child Ned Flanders Jan 2014 #10
I do think they were evil. I think it was clear the money would be paid, so it wasn't a loss of okaawhatever Jan 2014 #23
Utterly disgusting. Daemonaquila Jan 2014 #13
I don't want anyone fired. Because instead of recalling some elected BoE schmuck, they'll fire ..... marble falls Jan 2014 #14
This just chills my blood! sheshe2 Jan 2014 #19
This is the stupidest and one of the meanest things I have ever heard of from any school. mbperrin Jan 2014 #20
Bullying. Loathsome. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2014 #25
There were several reasonable ways this minor accounts receivable problem ladjf Jan 2014 #26
Definitely bullying. W.J. McCabe Jan 2014 #27
Rocktivity: Taking of Salt Lake City school lunches ‘abuse of children rocktivity Jan 2014 #29
it is inhumane Skittles Jan 2014 #30
These elected representatives....... MyOwnPeace Jan 2014 #31
Whoever pulled those lunches from the kids commited child abuse. nt SunSeeker Jan 2014 #32
Hopefully there will be one defacto7 Jan 2014 #34
Lunches should be free Trillo Jan 2014 #35
America needs to join first world countries and provide free meals to all school children Sunlei Jan 2014 #37
whatever happened to confidentiality dembotoz Jan 2014 #38
I wonder how many free martini lunches the crooked banksters got? CrispyQ Jan 2014 #39
Each of these kids will grow up to be compassionate liberals. CANDO Jan 2014 #40
A republican (Weiler) making sense? awoke_in_2003 Jan 2014 #41
This is what it would have been like in icarusxat Jan 2014 #42

elleng

(131,009 posts)
2. Unfortunately,
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jan 2014

it sounds like the conclusion that there were problems between compensation and distribution never went beyond that point: No funds/No lunch, and of course, poor cafeteria workers ended up in the middle, probably fearing for their jobs if it might be thought they had handed out food where it shouldn't have been given.

Bureaucracy is difficult, and at every stage, everyone involved must pause and ask, What's happening here? That means, adults must act like adults.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
9. This was a bureaucrat.....
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:05 PM
Jan 2014

..who probably should have stayed in the office.

Jason Olsen, a Salt Lake City District spokesman, said the district’s child-nutrition department became aware that Uintah had a large number of students who owed money for lunches. As a result, the child-nutrition manager visited the school and decided to withhold lunches to deal with the issue, he said.

So it looks like what we have here, is an outsider who was looking at some stat sheets one day (they were bored anyways), and see all these ''accounts'' that are in arrears. So they decide to go out and throw their weight around. Knock some heads together and keep the troops in-shape and all that. And the fact that it helps with the old job justification-thing is a bonus too.

- Like I said up-thread, at least they didn't mark them too.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
12. I read that one of the cafeteria workers started to cry. What's really awesome is I also read that
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:11 PM
Jan 2014

one of the students went home and made lunch for all the kids whose lunch was taken away the next day.

Problem is, this is the parent's fault, not the kids. They need to come up with a punishment for the parents and not the kids.

elleng

(131,009 posts)
15. Yes, I saw that story,
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:14 PM
Jan 2014

AND that parent(s) didn't know they were in arrears.

This is nothing justifying 'punishment.' Issue a bill, pay a bill, feed kids, and if the 2 first steps don't occur, STILL feed kids, and figure out why 1 + 2 didn't occur.

sheshe2

(83,816 posts)
18. You are so right ellen,
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:23 PM
Jan 2014

feed the kids. First and foremost feed them, then figure the rest out later.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
17. We spent $20 billion in 2011......
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:22 PM
Jan 2014

...just to air-condition tents in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think we should be able to give ALL parents a pass on school lunches.

- Considering how much we subsidize the farm industry in the first place, we should get some return on the investment at some point don't you think?

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
21. You know what, that's exactly what I was thinking. Remember the big drama about some troops not
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jan 2014

getting a hot breakfast because the Army or Marines were preparing to shut down their base in Iraq/Afghanistan? People were beside themselves screaming about that one. Having a MRE for breakfast is nothing. Vietnam era guys only had those for days or weeks. The same people who got absolutely sideways over that I'm sure think repossessing kids' lunch is a good idea.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
36. Vietnam guys would have loved to have been given MREs or as they were called back then
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:44 AM
Jan 2014

LRRP meals. All we had was C-rats. Every day every meal nothing but C-Rats. Unless you were lucky enough to be a REMF or at some large LZ such as Camp Evens or Jane.

Judi Lynn

(160,583 posts)
3. This atrocity can't attract nearly enough negative attention.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jan 2014

It needs to be shoved right down the throats of the right-wing greedy scum who engender this behavior.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
11. Well, here's some of the good parts:
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:11 PM
Jan 2014
The move angered parents who complain it’s wrong to publicly shame children who aren’t at fault. Dabakis and Weiler said they might work together to run legislation this session aimed at ensuring Utah children don’t go hungry at school. Dabakis said he couldn’t yet provide any further details.

The school relies on computers used at checkout to learn who is in arrears, which exposed the kids to having their lunches taken away.

The incident has elicited donations from Utahns throughout the valley. The owner of the radio station X96 is holding a telethon to raise money for the school and is matching donations.


- Est enim omnis actio et reactio æquales et......

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
4. Textbook victim blaming -- it rises to the level of CHILD ABUSE.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:45 PM
Jan 2014

Visiting the sins of their parents upon totally innocent children, depriving them of a meal and throwing it away rather than donate it elsewhere? Someone SHOULD be fired, if only because the school could end up criminally or civilly liable!


rocktivity

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
5. Another lesson in Mormon Christianity....how sensitive
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:48 PM
Jan 2014

Mountain Meadows Mitt should donate some his stolen millions to that fucked up mormon "maybe you get it and maybe you don't" meal program so this does not happen again. LDS jesus freaks gone wild.

japple

(9,833 posts)
7. Ohhhhhh. What lesson will these innocent children take away from this?
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:58 PM
Jan 2014

Sick to my stomach. Sick at heart. So sad...........

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
33. At this point,
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:13 AM
Jan 2014

probably they will learn that there are really nasty people in the world. But they are also learning that there are good people who make up for it. A lot of times in this world that statement would end with the first sentence, but in this case it looks like the bad guys will loose and the good guys will win. Bad things sometimes teach a good lesson. Hopefully they will learn to be one of the good guys.

Red Mountain

(1,736 posts)
8. Equal opportunity is equal opportunity
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:01 PM
Jan 2014

If we're serious about every kid having an opportunity to reach their full potential we shouldn't be punishing them for the sins of their parents.

Shouldn't even be a question.

Society should level the playing field as best it can.

That is our responsibility to them and to our Democracy.

 

Ned Flanders

(233 posts)
10. That happened to my child
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jan 2014

Placer (aka "Parcel&quot County, CA, Rock Creek Elementary. I had three children attending that elementary, was on the Site Council, had been around a number of years and it was clear my children would be in that school thru 8th grade. Further, the teacher had a special classroom fund for kids who didn't have lunch money.

Two of my kids were paid up, no problem. The third liked extra snacks, so at one point he ended up about $10 in the hole. So one day, after sitting down with his food, the lunch lady came to his table, took his tray away, and tossed it in the trash, just as you described. No, they couldn't transfer funds from my other kids' funds, no explanation was given for why they didn't give him a lunch on the teacher's fund, just silence and the sense that we were out of line for asking questions.

I pulled my kids from that place shortly thereafter, and would've raised holy hell with them, but I was trying to get a job in the district.

I don't think they were evil, they were just plain Fox "news" stoopid.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
23. I do think they were evil. I think it was clear the money would be paid, so it wasn't a loss of
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jan 2014

income issue. Since they threw away the food they couldn't recoup the cost. so the move actually put them in the hole since you can't charge for a lunch the kid didn't get to eat. People like that get their kicks humiliating others. It's sad and pathetic. Most people see it aas harmless, but if the claim is about the money and the solution doesn't have anything to do with money then it's about humiliation.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
13. Utterly disgusting.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:11 PM
Jan 2014

Whatever piece on non-humanity came up with that one, should be fired, shamed, and left penniless and hungry in an alley. Sadly, they'll probably get more help and sympathy than they've ever been willing to show others.

marble falls

(57,134 posts)
14. I don't want anyone fired. Because instead of recalling some elected BoE schmuck, they'll fire .....
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:14 PM
Jan 2014

the hairnetted somebody's gramma at the cash register.

Bipartisan. That's good and Utah, too.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
20. This is the stupidest and one of the meanest things I have ever heard of from any school.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:25 PM
Jan 2014

I teach and have taught in a large urban high school for 18 years here in west Texas, and every child is provided a free breakfast, period, and every child is fed regardless of whether their lunches can be paid for or not. If a child is over the limit, the nice woman at the checkout simply notes the ID number on a paper pad kept in a drawer.

Nothing is said and no ostentatious display is made. We have any number of organizations, including the First Baptist Church (yes, I'm an atheist, but Baptist money is good as anyone's), Optimist Club, Kiwanis, Lions, Student Council and many more who pay these accounts.

THROWING AWAY the food instead of allowing it to be eaten is INSANE!

Someone definitely needs to be fired and filed on for 40 charges of child abuse.

Or I will be happy to drive up from Texas and kick somebody's ass. I'm 62, but I'll bet pure indignation will guide me straight a true.

Any school district that finds itself below a Texas district in compassion and readiness really needs to look at itself. Really.

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
26. There were several reasonable ways this minor accounts receivable problem
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:23 PM
Jan 2014

could have been solved. In the first place, this was an accounting arrangement between the parents and the school.
The children shouldn't have been involved as though they were committing criminal acts. Did the school principal approve this?

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
29. Rocktivity: Taking of Salt Lake City school lunches ‘abuse of children
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jan 2014

which is a crime unless I'm mistaken'


rocktivity

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
30. it is inhumane
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:23 PM
Jan 2014

something is really wrong - I am happy to see that folk from both parties can agree on that

MyOwnPeace

(16,931 posts)
31. These elected representatives.......
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 11:42 PM
Jan 2014

were correct - this all was VERY wrong!

Hmmmm, wonder if they held a news conference to discuss what their fellow representatives in Washington, DC did when they cancelled food stamps for millions?

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
34. Hopefully there will be one
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:15 AM
Jan 2014

nutrition-manager out of a job. Maybe that person should work on the food handling line as a public service.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
35. Lunches should be free
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:19 AM
Jan 2014

The kids are laboring in school, and they're being taught they must pay to work.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
37. America needs to join first world countries and provide free meals to all school children
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jan 2014

Local seniors too. We would save billions in our federal money that goes to admin. costs.

CrispyQ

(36,485 posts)
39. I wonder how many free martini lunches the crooked banksters got?
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:02 PM
Jan 2014

I can't believe we don't have free hot lunch for every kid.

icarusxat

(403 posts)
42. This is what it would have been like in
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 08:35 PM
Jan 2014

Mitt's America, bullies making certain no one was given the benefit of anything...

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