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Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:09 PM Feb 2014

Biden: Unions 'only guys keeping the barbarians at the gate'

Source: Detroit News

Washington — Vice President Joe Biden defended the role of organized labor, saying opponents are mounting a long-term war to attack unions.

“These guys on the right — they know without you there — they call every shot,” Biden told more than 1,000 UAW members and retirees on the final day on its four-day annual political conference here. “You guys are the only guys keeping the barbarians at the gate.”

He criticized right-to-work laws approved in Michigan and Indiana. “Did you ever think you would see a day when right to work would pass in Michigan?” Biden said. “It’s not a right to work.”

He held up a chart that said the fall in unionization had been a factor in the decline in wages.

“You built the middle class. Labor built the middle class,” Biden said. “You never leave anybody behind — even when it costs you politically and when it doesn’t benefit you directly.” . . .

Read more: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140205/AUTO01/302050081/Biden-Unions-only-guys-keeping-barbarians-gate-



You tell 'em, Joe.

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Biden: Unions 'only guys keeping the barbarians at the gate' (Original Post) Faygo Kid Feb 2014 OP
It's the Right to Be Fired...Right to Work for Peanuts...Right to Suck Up...All Wrong. libdem4life Feb 2014 #1
If only there were someone in the oval office theaocp Feb 2014 #2
Not much. jeff47 Feb 2014 #3
That's right, the NLRB works for Congress, as does Justice, EPA, etc. Scuba Feb 2014 #5
Walking shoes can't overrule Right to Work laws. jeff47 Feb 2014 #6
Yeah, apparently the President is just a figure head. Like the Queen of England. progressoid Feb 2014 #7
Thanks Joe - send the Plutocrats (R) off to their own freaking Fascist Homeland, Inc. (R) Berlum Feb 2014 #4
Too late, Joe Redfairen Feb 2014 #8
you must be talking about my town warrprayer Feb 2014 #9
Another example of the admin talking a good game and doing nothing Doctor_J Feb 2014 #29
Is he against the costly trade agreements? grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #10
Why not make federal laws to prohibit employers from abusing employees? seveneyes Feb 2014 #11
I've always said, if you don't like dealing with unions, make them unnecessary. mac56 Feb 2014 #13
Um, Joe, I love ya, man, but . . . Brigid Feb 2014 #12
Suggest re-reading the story. cprise Feb 2014 #20
Yeah, I think I misunderstood. Brigid Feb 2014 #23
My old man... Bigmack Feb 2014 #14
I'm almost afraid to ask . . . Brigid Feb 2014 #16
chain tongs... madrchsod Feb 2014 #18
chain tongs.... Bigmack Feb 2014 #32
I hear you. TBF Feb 2014 #17
The "barbarians" have been sacking the nation for 30 years, Joe. 1000words Feb 2014 #15
former steel and iam union worker... madrchsod Feb 2014 #19
HE IS RIGHT... THEY ARE VERY CONSISTENT secondwind Feb 2014 #21
There should be a DRAFT JOE movement cprise Feb 2014 #22
Faygo Kid, thanks for the news. Joe is totally correct. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #24
I was for Biden in 2008. Titonwan Feb 2014 #25
K^R^^^^^^^^! Cha Feb 2014 #26
Joe is right on the money here. nt BootinUp Feb 2014 #27
When the Unions are gone HoosierCowboy Feb 2014 #28
I do not agree. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #30
Fuck, yeah! Orsino Feb 2014 #31
Yeah. Working is a privilege, not a right. Pterodactyl Mar 2014 #33

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
2. If only there were someone in the oval office
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:15 PM
Feb 2014

who felt the same. I wonder what they could do "at the gate".

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
3. Not much.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:23 PM
Feb 2014

The President can't make laws. Can give a flowery speech, but it's up to Congress to actually do something.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
5. That's right, the NLRB works for Congress, as does Justice, EPA, etc.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:31 PM
Feb 2014

The Executive is really just a glorified cheerleader position, with no real power, no bully pulpit, no "walking shoes".

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
6. Walking shoes can't overrule Right to Work laws.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:34 PM
Feb 2014

Nor can they confirm people for the open seats on the NLRB.

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
7. Yeah, apparently the President is just a figure head. Like the Queen of England.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:35 PM
Feb 2014

Except when something good happens, then he has power.

Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
8. Too late, Joe
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:35 PM
Feb 2014

Some of us live in places where the unions have already been broken and run out of town. Comments of this sort are irrelevant when you live in places where union organizing simply doesn't happen. It happened where I live and it will happen where you live. NO ONE is stopping the destruction of unions.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
11. Why not make federal laws to prohibit employers from abusing employees?
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 05:57 PM
Feb 2014

Then we would not need the middle man to enforce fair labor rules. This should have been done ages ago.

mac56

(17,574 posts)
13. I've always said, if you don't like dealing with unions, make them unnecessary.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:05 PM
Feb 2014

Till that day comes. they'll always be needed.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
14. My old man...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:07 PM
Feb 2014

... died in 1969.

Thank god he didn't live to see this day!

He was a union man.... as am I... and he went to work more than a few days with a pair of chain-tongs to make sure his rights, and those of his union brothers were respected.

People actually fucking died to get US workers things like weekends, overtime, and safe working conditions.

Too bad the greed on the right and the complacency on the left let this country slide into the approaching Bangladesh-style capitalism.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
18. chain tongs...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:48 PM
Feb 2014

a pipe with a mechanism that holds a chain. wrap the chain around a pipe to either tighten or loosen a pipe.some are light weight and others..well...ya earn your money.

TBF

(32,084 posts)
17. I hear you.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:46 PM
Feb 2014

I grew up in Wisconsin which had a long history of union membership. I probably grew up at the tail end of that - still seeing strikes in the 70s - before the companies started moving jobs in the 80s (thanks to right-to-work in the south not to mention the eventual NAFTA). My dad worked in a small plant and had the general opinion that unions weren't fantastic but they were the only thing the workers had. There definitely was violence - particularly when companies brought in scabs to try to keep production going - and that could be pretty nasty in the paper companies for example.

Many folks in the US (anybody under 40 really) have no idea what it was like then but they are about to find out. As more and more jobs go overseas folks will eventually organize here. Sadly, they are nearly starting from scratch because unions have been villianized here (with folks like the Koch Bros. paying for those ad campaigns).

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
19. former steel and iam union worker...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 06:53 PM
Feb 2014

now my wife`s afscme union here in illinois is under attack.

joe talks the language we understand.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
22. There should be a DRAFT JOE movement
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 07:08 PM
Feb 2014

I'd much rather see Biden run for President than Mrs. Walmart-NAFTA-nixGlassSteagal.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
24. Faygo Kid, thanks for the news. Joe is totally correct.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 08:31 PM
Feb 2014

Roosevelt saved the rich from communism.

Unions save the rich from being strung up alive.

Dodd-Frank, as much as the right protests, saved the U.S. banks and is the reason so much foreign capital has poured into the U.S. People around the world feel safer with there money here.

It's funny how the rich should be truly be on their knees thanking Unions and public schools and government for protecting their wealth.

Joe Biden has this 100% right.

Titonwan

(785 posts)
25. I was for Biden in 2008.
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 10:20 PM
Feb 2014

Sure, he's a fool for telling the truth, riding a train to work and coming from common folks but surely- at some point in time- he can be bought off? Amirite?
I support unions, just not the corruption at the top.

HoosierCowboy

(561 posts)
28. When the Unions are gone
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:45 PM
Feb 2014

...the Barbarians will be at the Gates of the 1%. Think France 1789, Russia 1917, guillotines, Katrinasberg and just getting rid of another form of Aristocracy.

You do not vote out an Aristocracy, you have to displace them.

Most of the 1% are actually pretty decent but they'll be on the cabbage cart leading up to Madame Guillotine along with the bad apples..

 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
30. I do not agree.
Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:13 PM
Feb 2014

The 1% have already started moving their money. When any uprising starts they, their families, and their money will be beyond reach out of our country they will still be living well.
I make no claim that this is right but do not think that just because they are greedy that they are also stupid.

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