Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Cirque du So-What

(25,960 posts)
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:28 PM Feb 2014

Reality show snake-handling preacher dies -- of snakebite

Source: CNN

A Kentucky pastor who starred in a reality show about snake-handling in church has died -- of a snakebite.

Jamie Coots died Saturday evening after refusing to be treated, Middleborough police said.

On "Snake Salvation," the ardent Pentecostal believer said that he believed that a passage in the Bible suggests poisonous snakebites will not harm believers as long as they are anointed by God. The practice is illegal in most states, but still goes on, primarily in the rural South.

Coots was a third-generation "serpent handler" and aspired to one day pass the practice and his church, Full Gospel Tabernacle in Jesus Name, on to his adult son, Little Cody.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/16/us/snake-salvation-pastor-bite/



Fond as these charlatans are of quoting the Bible, it appears they missed the part about not 'testing God.'
90 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Reality show snake-handling preacher dies -- of snakebite (Original Post) Cirque du So-What Feb 2014 OP
The snake believed in itself more than he did in his god. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #1
Oh ye of little faith... n/t backscatter712 Feb 2014 #2
One less charlatan in this world. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #3
"Do not Turbineguy Feb 2014 #4
This insanity should be outlawed... ReRe Feb 2014 #5
This insanity HAS been outlawed, in almost all states where it's practiced jmowreader Feb 2014 #19
I saw a news report while ago on TV.... ReRe Feb 2014 #30
So there will be a fourth-generation "serpent handler," and possibly a fifth NBachers Feb 2014 #59
Unless Jesus decides to send the congregation a message by having a serpent take him out jmowreader Feb 2014 #80
because no one has offered them a reality show? yurbud Feb 2014 #73
I was thinking more along the lines... jmowreader Feb 2014 #79
along with the guy who actually did sacrifice his daughter, Jeptha. yurbud Feb 2014 #84
As I understand it, Brigid Feb 2014 #89
Exactly. jmowreader Feb 2014 #90
Fuck THAT....I say let them do what they want...encourage them! Moostache Feb 2014 #35
Unfortunately, they are dying after they reproduce. jeff47 Feb 2014 #62
OK... ReRe Feb 2014 #65
I hope one of those "brainwashed" people will stop and take notice of his death. loudsue Feb 2014 #53
I didn't think of that... ReRe Feb 2014 #66
And some wonder why I think religion makes me facepalm sakabatou Feb 2014 #6
+++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #40
Absolutely - absolutely. raven mad Feb 2014 #75
Does he qualify for a Darwin award? trusty elf Feb 2014 #7
Fortunately, he has been naturally selected out! Evolution Lives! What a jackass. nt Lucky Luciano Feb 2014 #10
LOL RAM49 Feb 2014 #38
He may not have believed in natural selection NickB79 Feb 2014 #48
No, he hasn't. He had kids before he died. jeff47 Feb 2014 #63
so help me God... yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #22
Nope. He left behind kids. To qualify for the Darwin awards you have to die not only.... Moonwalk Feb 2014 #23
Are there any of those left? Seems so many have been handed out, bound to be RKP5637 Feb 2014 #41
I nominate him for a Darwin award. n/t cosmicone Feb 2014 #8
Too bad he can't take it with him.....nt Walk away Feb 2014 #29
Hmm... I wonder if he lived in a district carried by Obama or Romney and McCain? aaaaaa5a Feb 2014 #9
Stupid as he was, he had the courage of his convictions daleo Feb 2014 #11
As Walter Matthau said in the movie, "A Face In The Crowd"... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #17
The unique confidence of the self-deluded is not a thing to be admired or imitated. nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2014 #78
I checked with NASA ... Kennah Feb 2014 #86
Live by the snake, die by the snake. nt awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #12
Wonder if he wasn't paying attention. When the snake being handled gets a little frisky, it should SDjack Feb 2014 #13
LOL. You know about that trick, huh? Rozlee Feb 2014 #24
There's another trick Cirque du So-What Feb 2014 #32
So they are not only stupid... 3catwoman3 Feb 2014 #47
Every 10 years, a local reporter central NC will write an exposé on snake handlers, SDjack Feb 2014 #33
ISn't National Geographic running the show? Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #14
Yes, National Geographic also runs that "Doomsday Preppers" show with all of the paranoid, racist... Tom Ripley Feb 2014 #44
The National Geographic Channel is owned by Fox Botany Feb 2014 #71
Thanks! That explains a lot. Tom Ripley Feb 2014 #85
National Geographic also has UFO shows bananas Feb 2014 #81
Time to cancel my subscription Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #83
Ah Atheism, I love not having to get bit by snakes Heather MC Feb 2014 #15
Darwin wins again vdogg Feb 2014 #16
guess he was not a true believer UpInArms Feb 2014 #18
Tough having to find that out by dying. Chemisse Feb 2014 #20
wonder if it's kind of like the witchcraft trials UpInArms Feb 2014 #34
St. Peter laughing at the Gates, composes himself to say, "Guess you know why they rattle now, huh?" Kennah Feb 2014 #87
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2014 #21
What is the snake's condition? kairos12 Feb 2014 #25
I'd say the best condition is medium-well..... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #39
Is it wrong that I'm smiling? Walk away Feb 2014 #26
Tonight on Snake Dynasty Blue Owl Feb 2014 #27
Stupid is as Stupid does bkanderson76 Feb 2014 #28
He Was Crazy And People Who Believe In This Nonsense Are Crazy colsohlibgal Feb 2014 #31
favorite comment below article LittleGirl Feb 2014 #36
Jamie Coots? That name seems ripe for a limerick. Thor_MN Feb 2014 #37
Short notice and all..... {mumbles away} DeSwiss Feb 2014 #45
+1000!!! Oscarmonster13 Feb 2014 #52
I knew someone would step up. Thor_MN Feb 2014 #54
Nicsssely Done! adirondacker Feb 2014 #56
Maybe this means a Robertson will be nibbled to death by ducks Tom Ripley Feb 2014 #42
or pulled over a cliff by the tiny fingers of 10,000 tumbling lemmings tomm2thumbs Feb 2014 #57
How about the good old "God gave me a brain" thing a ma bob? Botany Feb 2014 #43
Science wins again. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #46
I wonder if they killed the snake, I bet they did… Tikki Feb 2014 #49
What a bite in the asp. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2014 #50
I'm actually laughing. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #51
Pastor Coots was awesome: jsr Feb 2014 #55
reality bites n/t cpwm17 Feb 2014 #58
Soooo... Little Cody, what say you? truthisfreedom Feb 2014 #60
He says he will continue the practice. Hoppy Feb 2014 #67
Oh Little Cody, I hope you figure out where your Papa went wrong.... liberalla Feb 2014 #70
It's Middlesboro Scairp Feb 2014 #61
Shoulda prayed harder.. blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #64
--- shows God does have a sense of humor. Hoppy Feb 2014 #68
I didn't know snakes could kill snakes!!!!!! Theyletmeeatcake2 Feb 2014 #69
At my church the pastor once preached while holding a snake ButterflyBlood Feb 2014 #72
Well, this story is not going to keep me from handling my snake. olddad56 Feb 2014 #74
Juanita Jean could not resist a "I told you so" Gothmog Feb 2014 #76
I love Juanita. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #77
I will be seeing her tonight Gothmog Feb 2014 #82
This is my weapon, this is my snake. This is for fighting, OUCH for fuck's sake! Kennah Feb 2014 #88

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
5. This insanity should be outlawed...
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:43 PM
Feb 2014

... WTF? No telling how many poor ignorant people is brainwashed by this kind of "religion." Think of the little children, alone!

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
19. This insanity HAS been outlawed, in almost all states where it's practiced
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:34 PM
Feb 2014

There are six states that contain Signs Following congregations, and they're all in the very deep south. Five of them banned the practice decades ago...but that shit still goes on.

I really wonder why these guys haven't started doing Genesis 22 tests. (Genesis 22 is the chapter of the Bible where Abraham was commanded by God to sacrifice his only son as a burnt offering, and Abraham almost managed to kill his kid before God told him to stop.)

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
30. I saw a news report while ago on TV....
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:59 PM
Feb 2014

... his son, Cody, said he will continue the practice and that he was encouraging his children to do the same. They should put him in a straight jacket and throw him in the nearest insane asylum. And his kids should be taken away from him, or at least be placed with sane relatives (if there are any), and given psychological counseling.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
80. Unless Jesus decides to send the congregation a message by having a serpent take him out
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:55 PM
Feb 2014

Jesus will be saying, "for Dad's sake, quit doing this shit!"

The serpent handlers will be saying "no, Jesus just decided to call him home."

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
79. I was thinking more along the lines...
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 06:52 PM
Feb 2014

that even the hardest core fundamentalist knows having your only son gather wood, making him arrange it into a funeral pyre, tying him up, putting him on the pyre, killing him with a knife then setting the wood afire to hide the evidence just because you heard a voice in your head is one of the more fucked-up things in the Bible, a book that's just jam-packed with fucked-up shit.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
90. Exactly.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:00 AM
Feb 2014

IIRC "serpent handling" (the Bible verse they rely on calls the squirmy bastards serpents, so they call themselves serpent handlers) is practiced mainly in WV, KY, TN, NC, SC and GA. There are a few Signs Following churches in OH and FL, but those are the "big six" states where it's done.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
35. Fuck THAT....I say let them do what they want...encourage them!
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:06 PM
Feb 2014

Natural Selection will take care of these idiots and cull them from the gene pool...I say we allow venom and mother nature do what we as a society lack the courage to do for ourselves - END THE POISON OF RELIGION.

Here's the thing, I know a lot of people might be upset by this sentiment, but if you want to ban this practice but NOT ban all religion in general, then you are a hypocrite. Protecting people only from bodily harm and ignoring the mental anguish and pure hatred that their belief systems espouse is the worst kind of half-measure.

You want to have religion? Then take the bad with the worse and live with the consequences...
You want to ban it outright? I am sympathetic to the cause, but pragmatically know it won't happen...

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
65. OK...
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 03:01 AM
Feb 2014

... I accept the fact that I'm a hypocrite in your eyes. Actually, there's only a few degrees of separation between your view of religion and mine. I just think this would be a good place to start.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
53. I hope one of those "brainwashed" people will stop and take notice of his death.
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 09:54 PM
Feb 2014

And, just maybe say "hey, ya know: that's full of crap." And maybe one soul actually WILL be saved...saved from ignorance.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
66. I didn't think of that...
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 03:16 AM
Feb 2014

... you're right. I hope that followers of this "snake-handling" religion all over the country learns from this. Especially if they gave their hard-to-come-by money in the offering plate after which their snake-handling pastors "blessed." Do they have the mental capability to realize they were scammed by this fake religion?
We can only hope, loudsue.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
23. Nope. He left behind kids. To qualify for the Darwin awards you have to die not only....
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:46 PM
Feb 2014

...from your own stupidity but without issue. Thus, your stupidity can't be passed on and evolution has done its job—erased those who were not fit to continue the species.

Wonder if the adult son will maintain the tradition. Given the DNA...probably.

I mean, the real problem is that the snake bites don't happen often enough or kill enough of them. If this religion brought about wholesale slaughter of congregants, they'd either get the message and stop, or there wouldn't be any of 'em left to keep doing it.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
17. As Walter Matthau said in the movie, "A Face In The Crowd"...
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:30 PM
Feb 2014

"He has the courage of his ignorance."

Kennah

(14,298 posts)
86. I checked with NASA ...
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:42 AM
Feb 2014

... and based upon the stupid scale, they say numbers that large cannot be confirmed to actually exist.

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
13. Wonder if he wasn't paying attention. When the snake being handled gets a little frisky, it should
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:24 PM
Feb 2014

returned to ice box and cold one picked up. The cold ones are stiff and dopey. But, they can get mean when they warm up.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
24. LOL. You know about that trick, huh?
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:47 PM
Feb 2014

A guy in my reserve unit told me once about how his preacher uncle would have the snakes in a wooden washtub filled with ice water that he'd kept the snakes in for over 2 days, always making sure the ice cubes were replaced as they melted. It would keep the snakes sluggish and torpid enough that they wouldn't bite.

Cirque du So-What

(25,960 posts)
32. There's another trick
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:01 PM
Feb 2014
<snip>

The herpetologists at the Kentucky Reptile Zoo have been following the activities of Pentecostal snake handlers for years. They have watched hours of video of snake-handling services and examined snakes used in church.

"The animals that I've seen that have come from religious snake handlers were in bad condition," says Kristen Wiley, curator of the Kentucky Reptile Zoo, a facility in the town of Slade that produces venom and promotes the conservation of snakes. "They did not have water. The cages had been left not cleaned for a pretty long period of time. And the other thing we noticed is there were eight or 10 copperheads in a container that was not very large."

What's more, she says there was no fecal material in the container, which indicated the snakes were not being fed. Riley says a snake that may be dehydrated, underweight and sick from close confinement is less likely to strike than a healthy snake. Moreover, the venom it produces is weaker.

She says snake-handling preachers who don't take care of their snakes are "setting themselves up for a safer encounter during their services when they use a snake that is in bad condition to begin with."

more...

http://www.npr.org/2013/10/18/236997513/serpent-experts-try-to-demystify-pentecostal-snake-handling

Appears the Pentecostals like a 'stacked deck.'

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
33. Every 10 years, a local reporter central NC will write an exposé on snake handlers,
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:02 PM
Feb 2014

fire handlers and poison drinkers, and also publish the photos of the current and recent practitioners. Taking away the mystery seems to be more effective than trying to enforce a legal ban.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
14. ISn't National Geographic running the show?
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:27 PM
Feb 2014

Great way to spit on science NG, and encourage the mentally ill to show off and encourage other people to handle snakes.

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
44. Yes, National Geographic also runs that "Doomsday Preppers" show with all of the paranoid, racist...
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:32 PM
Feb 2014

right-wing idiots preparing for the "inevitable collapse of society"
I don't know why a presumably respectable entity provides these people a forum.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
15. Ah Atheism, I love not having to get bit by snakes
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:28 PM
Feb 2014

Let me guess Poor Jamie Coots wasn't faithful enough that's why he died

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
34. wonder if it's kind of like the witchcraft trials
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:04 PM
Feb 2014

where if they drowned, they were innocent -

in this case, if he died - he was guilty

Kennah

(14,298 posts)
87. St. Peter laughing at the Gates, composes himself to say, "Guess you know why they rattle now, huh?"
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 12:46 AM
Feb 2014

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
31. He Was Crazy And People Who Believe In This Nonsense Are Crazy
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:59 PM
Feb 2014

I am thankful everyday that I was not brainwashed religiously in my youth, I was a complete free agent to think it all through.

What's a bit scary is all the kids being brainwashed in these massive Jesus camps - and that around half of folks believe the earth is 6,000 years old.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
36. favorite comment below article
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:11 PM
Feb 2014

There is no such thing as a poisonous snake...Poison is something that has to be ingested either by food or drink...Snakes are venomous..Thereby injected into the bloodstream..CNN should know better



*slow clap*

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
37. Jamie Coots? That name seems ripe for a limerick.
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:12 PM
Feb 2014

Not that I have the talent to come up with anything, but the name seems perfect.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
45. Short notice and all..... {mumbles away}
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:33 PM
Feb 2014

[center]There was a snake handler named Coots
who dangled snakes head to boots
Decided one day, his vipers should pay
So they paid him in-full, in juice
[/center]

Botany

(70,550 posts)
43. How about the good old "God gave me a brain" thing a ma bob?
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 08:31 PM
Feb 2014

When an EMT tells you have a good chance of dying unless you get
some medical attention that is not an act of the devil trying to test
your faith.

liberalla

(9,255 posts)
70. Oh Little Cody, I hope you figure out where your Papa went wrong....
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 09:57 AM
Feb 2014

...so you don't don't have to repeat his mistakes.

You don't HAVE to follow in your father's footsteps. Think on this carefully...

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
72. At my church the pastor once preached while holding a snake
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 10:49 AM
Feb 2014

Granted it was a non-poisonous snake. Was very effective as a metaphor though.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
77. I love Juanita.
Mon Feb 17, 2014, 04:29 PM
Feb 2014
The Steeple People who snake handle says they are commanded by the book of Mark to do so. That book, however, also says to drink poison but you don’t see them doing that. Not near the glamour.

Coot’s family refused to take him to the hospital after he passed out so I guess they were a bit tired of him being a damfool, too.

Just a heads up: you should never handle a Republican for the same reason. They will bite you.


- If they held Congress inside Juanita's beauty salon, we might actually get something done. Even some good stuff for a change.....
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Reality show snake-handli...