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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 09:15 PM Mar 2012

Coast Guard suspends search for 4 missing off Wash. coast, says it’s unlikely they survived

Source: Washington Post / AP

SEATTLE — The U.S. Coast Guard suspended its search Sunday for four men missing from a fishing trawler off the Washington coast, saying it’s unlikely the men are still alive.

Rescue crews had searched through the night after an early Saturday distress signal from the 70-foot Lady Cecelia led them to a debris field, an empty lifeboat and an oil sheen several miles off the coast.

By Sunday morning, crews in Coast Guard cutters and an MH-60 helicopter had covered 640 square miles, Petty Officer Shawn Eggert said.

“We have searched far beyond what the capacity of somebody to survive in these conditions might be,” he said.



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coast-guard-searches-through-night-for-4-fishermen-after-debris-found-off-washington-coast/2012/03/11/gIQAztpn4R_story.html

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Coast Guard suspends search for 4 missing off Wash. coast, says it’s unlikely they survived (Original Post) Little Tich Mar 2012 OP
Sad to hear this. freshwest Mar 2012 #1
So sad Marrah_G Mar 2012 #2
Wow, I wonder what happened? cbayer Mar 2012 #3
"Debris field" Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #6
Could have been or they hit something and hit it hard. cbayer Mar 2012 #7
I am not familiar with ocean boating Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #10
The ocean is also littered with... rwsanders Mar 2012 #11
Now that you mention this Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #12
"debris field" <> "boat parts" lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #15
propane leak....could do that... Evasporque Mar 2012 #17
Could be, but they were able to make a distress call. cbayer Mar 2012 #18
Showing lack of knowledge again, Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #20
I had assumed that it had been initiated by someone on board, but cbayer Mar 2012 #21
Yes it does, and actually how I hoped it worked. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #22
A local article noted no distress call but rather the auto beacon MissB Mar 2012 #27
As my lifelong sailor father-in-law once put it... Xithras Mar 2012 #23
Your father-in-law is a wise man. cbayer Mar 2012 #24
Dreadful. GentryDixon Mar 2012 #4
A 70' vessel? PearliePoo2 Mar 2012 #5
It's been blowing a gale out there pscot Mar 2012 #16
Perhaps over run by a larger vessel. Ready4Change Mar 2012 #8
Yes, and that is why you stay far, far away from them. cbayer Mar 2012 #9
Does any one know where the love of God goes Lasher Mar 2012 #13
Well said, haven't heard that one in ages. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #25
I do... I was a Coast Guard Coxswain for 9 years... BadtotheboneBob Mar 2012 #28
I'm sorry you had to experience the heartache and hopelessness Lasher Mar 2012 #29
12 foot seas and 75mph winds lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #14
Thanks for the link. Apparently the "distress call" was an EPIRB signal. cbayer Mar 2012 #19
There was a NOAA-cert fisheries observer mrs_p Mar 2012 #26

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. Wow, I wonder what happened?
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 09:42 PM
Mar 2012

Seas and wind not too bad. Apparently seaworthy vessel. Life raft floating and in usable condition. Not so fast that they were unable to make a distress call. And quite young.

We will probably never know, but what a tragedy for these young men and their families.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
6. "Debris field"
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 10:11 PM
Mar 2012

70' ship and all they found of it was a "debris field"? Almost sounds like an explosion.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
7. Could have been or they hit something and hit it hard.
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 10:15 PM
Mar 2012

A boat will come apart really quickly once it gets a hole in the hull.

I suppose more info will come out once they start picking up the debris. There are a lot of whales in the area as well, so I wonder about that. They have been known to attack boats, particularly if the boats come around them when they are giving birth.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
10. I am not familiar with ocean boating
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 11:44 PM
Mar 2012

Rivers and lakes here.

So could the water alone be enough to break up a vessel that large if it weren't a sea critter?

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
11. The ocean is also littered with...
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 12:07 AM
Mar 2012

A lot of the container ships will lose whole shipping containers overboard which can float just below the surface. They could cut a nasty hole in just about anything but a large ship.
Water alone, or a sea critter wouldn't have done that to a 70' vessel.
The other possibility is just overloading or other stability problems or just poor maintenance, although that seems to be less of a problem in the Northwest as the fishing industry is more stable there, but you should see some of the boats that operate on the Gulf of Mexico.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
12. Now that you mention this
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 12:14 AM
Mar 2012

I do remember hearing something about ocean 'trash' just below the surface and the concerns after last year's 9.0 and tsunami (anniversary being today, ironically). It caught my attention because I just assumed things washed out to sea would just sink, but the concern was them being just below the surface and what dangers that could pose for trans-pacific vessels.

Thanks for jogging my memory on that little physics lesson.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
15. "debris field" <> "boat parts"
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 06:50 AM
Mar 2012

The boat sank. There's no reason to believe that it didn't sink in one piece. The "debris" is fuel cans, nets and the like.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
17. propane leak....could do that...
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 01:52 PM
Mar 2012

Propane has essentially replaced CNG in the US and is heavier than air....

once it collects in the bilge a spark would ignite a catastrophic explosion

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
18. Could be, but they were able to make a distress call.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 05:03 PM
Mar 2012

The rules regarding the storage and use of propane are pretty strict. Insurance companies require shut off systems and storage in a way that will not permit propane to get into the bilge.

But still, not foolproof by any means.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
20. Showing lack of knowledge again,
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 06:08 PM
Mar 2012

but on that distress call, is that something that has to be initiated, or can it be auto triggered by the ship breaking up?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
21. I had assumed that it had been initiated by someone on board, but
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 06:14 PM
Mar 2012

the link in a post below says it was an EPIRB. An EPIRB will automatically go off if it is submerged and sends out a signal. However, the response to these is generally abysmal because there are so many false alarms.

When the Coast Guard picks up the signal, they generally put out an alert to anyone monitoring the VHF radio that they have picked up a signal and boaters should be on the lookout. They usually don't even have a general location.

So it is possible that an event occurred in which the crew perished immediately, but the EPIRB went off.

Does that make sense?

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
22. Yes it does, and actually how I hoped it worked.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 08:27 PM
Mar 2012

In the offchance that there were survivors (at least originally) that couldn't get to the radio to send the distress call themselves.

MissB

(15,812 posts)
27. A local article noted no distress call but rather the auto beacon
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:27 PM
Mar 2012

Triggered when in contact with water.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
23. As my lifelong sailor father-in-law once put it...
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 08:57 PM
Mar 2012

"A million things can go wrong at sea. Only one has to."

One of his own sailboats was partially demasted off the coast of Santa Cruz about 20 years ago. One minute he's sailing with two friends under clear skies and calm seas, and a minute later he's hauling himself back onto his partially capsized boat. They were saved from sinking only by pure luck...his deck hatches had all been closed, and both he and one of his friends were carrying knives, which allowed them to quickly cut away the rigging and sail that was acting like an anchor. One random rogue wave, hitting at just the right angle, as the boat was still rolled port from the previous wave, was all it took to end their day. He later figured out that if the boat had been just a few more degrees upright, they wouldn't have had any damage at all. And if they'd been a few more degrees to port, the boat probably would have just capsized and sunk.

Life at sea can be pretty damned random.





cbayer

(146,218 posts)
24. Your father-in-law is a wise man.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:23 PM
Mar 2012

The winds and waves around Santa Cruz can be vicious and come up really quickly.

The two worst things that have happened to me are broaching (which sounds like what happened to your father) and being hit by a water spout. Sailboats do much better under these conditions and I would not have wanted to be in a power boat for either one.

Glad your father got out of trouble. Sounds like he did the right things, all right.

I am blessed with a wonderful captain. We've had some close calls, but he has always calmly taken us through them.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
5. A 70' vessel?
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 09:58 PM
Mar 2012

That's a rather formidable and a seaworthy Length.
Whatever happened, it was nasty. Rogue wave, bad thru-hull fitting, broach in a trough.
Who knows?

pscot

(21,024 posts)
16. It's been blowing a gale out there
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 09:37 AM
Mar 2012

Sixty knot winds and 30 foot seas. Borderline hurricane conditions. They shouldn't have been out there.

Ready4Change

(6,736 posts)
8. Perhaps over run by a larger vessel.
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 10:31 PM
Mar 2012

A tanker or large freighter would plow a 70' ship under pretty effortlessly, I'd guess?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
9. Yes, and that is why you stay far, far away from them.
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 10:35 PM
Mar 2012

You can generally see them miles away and a boat like this should have some good motor power. If they lost power for some reason, they can radio the ship who could divert course with enough notice.

Lasher

(27,635 posts)
13. Does any one know where the love of God goes
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 12:33 AM
Mar 2012

When the waves turn the minutes to hours?

They might have split up or they might have capsized;
May have broke deep and took water.
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters.

BadtotheboneBob

(413 posts)
28. I do... I was a Coast Guard Coxswain for 9 years...
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:08 PM
Mar 2012

... and it wasn't all blue skies and FAC (CG acronym - flat-ass calm), I'm here to tell ya...

Lasher

(27,635 posts)
29. I'm sorry you had to experience the heartache and hopelessness
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:22 AM
Mar 2012

epitomized by The Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald. I suppose you must have saved lives while subjecting your own to peril. I know that feeling of fear and reward; it has given me an excuse for existing when there were times I could think of no other.

Thank you for your brave service.

Oh hear us when we cry to Thee,
For those in peril on the sea! Amen.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
19. Thanks for the link. Apparently the "distress call" was an EPIRB signal.
Mon Mar 12, 2012, 05:07 PM
Mar 2012

They are automated and will go off if the device is submerged. However, they are very inefficient and do not trigger immediate response from the Coast Guard.

This boat should have been able to handle 12 foot seas pretty easily. Wind gusts to 75 are pretty high, though, but that area is rough.

mrs_p

(3,014 posts)
26. There was a NOAA-cert fisheries observer
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:19 PM
Mar 2012

on board who worked with the same company as my husband. It was his first assignment. This makes me sick to my stomach on so many levels. Those poor men, their parents, and their children. It also makes me fear letting my husband go back out to sea.

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