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DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 09:29 PM Feb 2014

Ukraine peace deal halts violence but crowds still angry

Source: Reuters

By Sabine Siebold and Natalia Zinets
KIEV Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:21pm EST




(Reuters) - - A breakthrough peace deal for Ukraine halted two days of violence that had turned the center of the capital into a war zone and killed 77 people, bringing sweeping political change that met many demands of the pro-European opposition.

Russian-backed President Viktor Yanukovich agreed to give up powers, hold early elections and form a government of national unity. Parliament voted for changes to the legal code that could see the release of Yanukovich's jailed rival, opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko.

By nightfall, opposition leaders who signed the deal were addressing peaceful crowds from a stage in Independence Square, which for the previous 48 hours had been an inferno of blazing barricades and protesters were shot dead by police snipers.

Although the flames were out, the crowd was still defiant, holding aloft open coffins of slain demonstrators and making speeches denouncing the opposition leaders for shaking hands with Yanukovich.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/21/us-ukraine-idUSBREA1G0OU20140221

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Ukraine peace deal halts violence but crowds still angry (Original Post) DeSwiss Feb 2014 OP
This is far from over 1000words Feb 2014 #1
Great news! another_liberal Feb 2014 #2
I think you forgot something: CFLDem Feb 2014 #3
I didn't mean my comments as sarcasm. another_liberal Feb 2014 #4
You were right the first time, somehow speaking in rational terms makes others believe it is Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #5
We've gotten cynical in the last fifteen years or so . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #11
Considering that protest leaders are widely held as traitors for this agreement CFLDem Feb 2014 #6
That is a valid point, true. another_liberal Feb 2014 #9
There has been a troubling rise CFLDem Feb 2014 #10
Three cheers indeed! DeSwiss Feb 2014 #8
"Presidential impeachment bill introduced in Ukrainian parliament." another_liberal Feb 2014 #7
I was mistaken in my initial reading . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #12
It's anger and distrust Paula Sims Feb 2014 #13
What isn't in the news, their currency is collapsing newthinking Feb 2014 #14
Their debt is servicable in foreign currency dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #15
 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
1. This is far from over
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 09:37 PM
Feb 2014

Right now, the opposition looks significantly more resolved than the government.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
2. Great news!
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 09:40 PM
Feb 2014

I have to admit I thought this situation was too far gone to avoid an all-out bloodbath and, eventually, actual civil war. My faith in the chances for peace in general is much strengthened. Some really good work was done by the EU diplomats, protest leaders and government negotiators. Three cheers for all of them!

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
4. I didn't mean my comments as sarcasm.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 09:59 PM
Feb 2014

I argue against overthrowing democratically elected governments through violence, and I will continue to do so. But why would that suggest I don't genuinely rejoice in the prospect of a peaceful conclusion to the uprising in Kiev? Almost anything is better than seeing the situation continue to deteriorate in the manner it was during the last few days.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. You were right the first time, somehow speaking in rational terms makes others believe it is
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:22 PM
Feb 2014

sarcasm. Go figure some people not happy with a peaceful resolution.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
11. We've gotten cynical in the last fifteen years or so . . .
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:31 PM
Feb 2014

It's hard to believe in much of anything, or accept anything at face value.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
6. Considering that protest leaders are widely held as traitors for this agreement
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:23 PM
Feb 2014

I'd say this agreement has only added fuel to the fire. Only divine intervention will stop the situation from deteriorating at this point.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
9. That is a valid point, true.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:27 PM
Feb 2014

Who knows what people like the the ultra-conservative, "Right Sector" radicals may do?

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
7. "Presidential impeachment bill introduced in Ukrainian parliament."
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:24 PM
Feb 2014

It's good they finally decided to do this in the manner their Constitution requires. That is something, Yanukovich at least gets to defend his actions:

http://rt.com/news/president-impeachment-bill-parliament-174/

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
12. I was mistaken in my initial reading . . .
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:46 PM
Feb 2014

Upon a more careful reading of the article, it is clear this is not a bill of impeachment against Yanukovich personally, but a change in the law for impeaching any President of Ukraine including Yanukovich, if that is attempted. The present law's requirements are apparently almost unsatisfiable.

Paula Sims

(877 posts)
13. It's anger and distrust
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 10:59 PM
Feb 2014

We have heard this nice-nice talk before and we fell for it. Now, not so much. Throughout the centuries Ukraine has made deals with devils before, only to be betrayed. Our years of being oppressed has left us beholden to our captors and digging out will be a long and arduous task.

I ask for prayers for my family, friends, and all Ukrainians. We just want to live like and be treated like humans.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
14. What isn't in the news, their currency is collapsing
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 02:43 AM
Feb 2014

What is happening in Kiev has also trashed any confidence investors had in Ukraine. The Hrievna is collapsing and there are lines at the banks as people are panicking. Ukraine's credit rating was just dropped and the scheduled bond sale had to be scrapped.

All of Ukraine is going to continue to suffer.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
15. Their debt is servicable in foreign currency
Sat Feb 22, 2014, 06:04 AM
Feb 2014

and with their currency, which is pegged to the US$, reducing in value as it has done for some weeks now , the servicing costs of current debt will rise to match.

Their credit rating was dropped to CCC by S&P yesterday - read as "likely to default" / unable to service current debt. http://www.businessinsider.com/standard-and-poors-on-ukraine-2014-2

Of the $15 billion offered by Russia for bond purchases only the first $3 billion was paid - the second traunch of $2 billion had already been was put on hold and that was reconfirmed yesterday.

The protests have centred around their constitution and the EU trade agreement with no apparent mention of resultant economic issues.

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