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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 05:18 PM Feb 2014

Brazil, Europe Plan Undersea Cable To Skirt U.S. Spying

Source: REUTERS

(Reuters) - Brazil and the European Union agreed on Monday to lay an undersea communications cable from Lisbon to Fortaleza to reduce Brazil's reliance on the United States after Washington spied on Brasilia.

At a summit in Brussels, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff said the $185 million cable project was central to "guarantee the neutrality" of the Internet, signaling her desire to shield Brazil's Internet traffic from U.S. surveillance.

"We have to respect privacy, human rights and the sovereignty of nations. We don't want businesses to be spied upon," Rousseff told a joint news conference with the presidents of the European Commission and the European Council.

"The Internet is one of the best things man has ever invented. So we agreed for the need to guarantee ... the neutrality of the network, a democratic area where we can protect freedom of expression," Rousseff said.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/24/us-eu-brazil-idUSBREA1N0PL20140224

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Brazil, Europe Plan Undersea Cable To Skirt U.S. Spying (Original Post) Purveyor Feb 2014 OP
K & R. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #1
...and when some country(US) cuts the cable with a bomb? AllTooEasy Feb 2014 #18
Because there's NO WAY anyone could figure out how to tap a cable. Brilliant! nt 7962 Feb 2014 #2
It's a lot harder than tapping radio. C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Feb 2014 #5
I think thats a much better option too. And a lot of this story is probably fluff anyway 7962 Feb 2014 #12
Tap? chicago guy Feb 2014 #7
This cable will be fiber optics. RC Feb 2014 #13
$185 million seems cheap for that distance and the logistical challenges. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #3
Seriously? Has no one in Brasil ever heard of Operation Ivy Bells? Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #4
Surely they know that a cable is vulnerable to eavesdropping? BillZBubb Feb 2014 #6
I can't really blame them, but we can tap into it on the ocean floor. Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #8
The submarine USS Halibut tapped undersea cables regularly Submariner Feb 2014 #9
Also, USS Jimmy Carter. 7962 Feb 2014 #10
Beat me to it jpak Feb 2014 #14
Yup Operation Ivy Bells wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #17
meanwhile in the US, govt and corporations are strangling the internet fast as possible nt msongs Feb 2014 #11
these people have never heard of encryption? how can that be?...nt quadrature Feb 2014 #15
this should make it easier for Brazil and the European countries involved to spy on one another. olddad56 Feb 2014 #19
And what about the spying that they do? SoapBox Feb 2014 #16

C_eh_N_eh_D_eh

(2,205 posts)
5. It's a lot harder than tapping radio.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 05:34 PM
Feb 2014

And unlike radio, there are ways of catching someone at it.

Not that this would have any effect. It's a lot easier to monitor a few hundred individuals' communications (especially wireless) than it is to tap a big fat trunk line with millions of users and try to spot anything useful.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
12. I think thats a much better option too. And a lot of this story is probably fluff anyway
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 05:58 PM
Feb 2014

185 million isnt enough (IMO) to run a cable large enough to handle all their communications, safely all the way across the ocean. And it could be tapped into before it ever even went online, making it harder to detect any power fluctuations. Assuming that they use fiber optics as the poster below, chicago guy, mentions.

chicago guy

(21 posts)
7. Tap?
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 05:35 PM
Feb 2014

One would think the cable would be fiber. While fiber can be tapped. The cable operator can see the fiber and tell how long it is and every tap (splice) on the entire length shows up on a OTDR. If it is wire the wire can be tapped without touching the cable. Fiber is the most secure and for a budget of 185M it will be used.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
13. This cable will be fiber optics.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 06:21 PM
Feb 2014

If someone taps into it, the received light will be less. That will be detected.
They know how much light goes in. They know the loss of the fiber. They know how much light should be on the receiving end. As soon as the light level drops, they will know someone is messing with the cable, or there is a problem that needs to be looked at.

Edited to add:
And if they don't do the tap correctly, they will be able to tell with in reason where the tap is.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. $185 million seems cheap for that distance and the logistical challenges.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 05:31 PM
Feb 2014

also, how do they propose keeping the path of a super long cable secret?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
6. Surely they know that a cable is vulnerable to eavesdropping?
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 05:34 PM
Feb 2014

Unless they can constantly physically monitor the cable it won't provide much security.

Submariner

(12,509 posts)
9. The submarine USS Halibut tapped undersea cables regularly
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 05:36 PM
Feb 2014

during the Cold War. This is old but effective technology.

 

wocaonimabi

(187 posts)
17. Yup Operation Ivy Bells
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 07:17 PM
Feb 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ivy_Bells

During the Cold War, the United States wanted to learn more about Soviet submarine and missile technology, specifically ICBM test and nuclear first strike capability.

In the early 1970s the U.S. government learned of the existence of an undersea communications cable in the Sea of Okhotsk, which connected the major Soviet Pacific Fleet naval base at Petropavlovsk on the Kamchatka Peninsula to the Soviet Pacific Fleet's mainland headquarters at Vladivostok.[2]:172 At the time, the Sea of Okhotsk was claimed by the Soviet Union as territorial waters, and was strictly off limits to foreign vessels, and the Soviet Navy had installed a network of sound detection devices along the seabed to detect intruders. The area also saw numerous surface and subsurface naval exercises. More at link
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