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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:57 AM Feb 2014

John Kerry: U.S. 'Beginning To Behave Like A Poor Nation'

Source: Reuters

By Arshad Mohammed and Lesley Wroughton

WASHINGTON, Feb 26 (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry decried what he called a "new isolationism" in the United States on Wednesday and suggested that the country was beginning to behave like a poor nation.

Speaking to reporters, Kerry inveighed against what he sees as a tendency within the United States to retreat from the world even as he defended the Obama administration's diplomatic efforts from Syria to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

In comments tied to the budget that U.S. President Barack Obama is expected to present on Tuesday, Kerry suggested that tighter spending, in part at the behest of congressional Republicans, may limit U.S. clout around the world.

"There's a new isolationism," Kerry said during a nearly one-hour discussion with a small group of reporters.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/26/john-kerry-us_n_4863250.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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John Kerry: U.S. 'Beginning To Behave Like A Poor Nation' (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2014 OP
Uh - Mr. Kerry - many of us are poor rurallib Feb 2014 #1
He's out of touch warrant46 Feb 2014 #17
definitely out of touch. This country is 3rd world with the 1% doing well, wordpix Feb 2014 #66
+1 warrant46 Feb 2014 #70
U.S. 'Beginning To Behave Like A Poor Nation' ? carla Feb 2014 #2
Your post proves you know very little about Kerry's service to this nation. blm Feb 2014 #7
Heard of the "big dig"? n/t cosmicone Feb 2014 #12
Yes I did - and I suspect that had it NOT been built, karynnj Feb 2014 #16
covered up the Iranian Hostage payoff for the Bush family reddread Feb 2014 #14
Any link for your conspiracy theory? karynnj Feb 2014 #19
a pencil that draws lines between the actors in this charade? reddread Feb 2014 #24
How would Kerry have known this in 1991? karynnj Feb 2014 #25
please. Kerry headed the "investigation" that stashed the canceled check in the ladies room... reddread Feb 2014 #30
That's Lee Hamilton, not Kerry. Also, GHWBush succeeded in getting Kerry kicked off IranContra panel blm Feb 2014 #43
Kerry headed a HOUSE task force???? karynnj Feb 2014 #49
He is completely confused on the facts, but, is digging in, anyway. blm Feb 2014 #50
Baloney - Kerry was heading BCCI Senate investigation then. Hamilton was heading House's IranContra blm Feb 2014 #46
Baloney - it was Kerry's investigation that uncovered IranContra, BCCI, CIA drug running, and blm Feb 2014 #41
one person's investigation is anothers coverup reddread Feb 2014 #42
You have your facts confused. Kerry's investigation uncovered IranContra. Once DC woke up to the blm Feb 2014 #44
i know the end results reddread Feb 2014 #47
LOL - Apparently you never read the BCCI report. What part of the fact that Kerry was blocked from blm Feb 2014 #48
Such a victim reddread Feb 2014 #51
Why can't you just take responsibility for posting bad information and move on? blm Feb 2014 #53
ill own a bad memory reddread Feb 2014 #54
LOL - Every fact I posted is completely accurate and IS history. blm Feb 2014 #56
You're mixed up. Try reality. blm Feb 2014 #55
You really never understood what the various hearings did karynnj Feb 2014 #71
Wow. Do you even know WTH you're talking about? eom DonViejo Feb 2014 #9
Whoa Nellie..... pangaia Feb 2014 #11
That isn't the half of it, IMO Demeter Feb 2014 #20
when you get back you can write something to excoriate Roosevelt since he was a rich bastard too. KittyWampus Feb 2014 #35
"Beginning to"? durablend Feb 2014 #3
"isolationism" is the buzz word to describe opposition to pipoman Feb 2014 #4
Or a rich guy, speaking for the slowly impoverished 99% Demeter Feb 2014 #21
Kerry's attack on GOP's budget-cutting isolationism isn't an attack on the US 99ers. blm Feb 2014 #58
your supposition has no relevance in the context Kerry used it. KittyWampus Feb 2014 #36
Not this time. ..stay tuned...Nobody wants to be an isolationist..dog forbid pipoman Feb 2014 #39
Wondering if this also relates to TPP and KXL durablend Feb 2014 #5
No, it doesn't. KittyWampus Feb 2014 #37
Poor nations wouldn't have invaded either Iraq or Afghanistan. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #6
Are they really friends SCVDem Feb 2014 #8
13 years of invasion and occupation ran up the National Credit Card by unhappycamper Feb 2014 #10
Well some people have made a $$$$$ killing out of all of this warrant46 Feb 2014 #22
Compared to those at the top, most of We the People are a poor nation. Octafish Feb 2014 #13
Said Secretary of State and multi-millionaire John Kerry. closeupready Feb 2014 #15
From the headline, I thought this was going to be about infrastructure. Bette Noir Feb 2014 #18
Things Kerry fought for in the Senate karynnj Feb 2014 #23
" We need to repair our bridges and replace our water mains" in other countries apparently. L0oniX Feb 2014 #29
And put our poor.. sendero Feb 2014 #32
You took the words out of my mouth! hedgehog Feb 2014 #59
"replace our water mains"---even in DC, they're constantly blowing and causing traffic jams wordpix Feb 2014 #67
No problem here with backing off the world, John. toby jo Feb 2014 #26
We are poor. 840high Feb 2014 #27
Clueless fuck! Now I will continue to make my ketchup and hot water soup. L0oniX Feb 2014 #28
just don't make Heinz ketchup soup. Spread the wealth wordpix Feb 2014 #68
Who is he blaming for the "new isolationism", or retreating from the world? This is absolutely not TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #31
I just had to dig for that answer, it seems he's decrying Republicans and Congress KittyWampus Feb 2014 #38
Well, he's wrong, then. NO ONE wanted to strike Syria, except for him and possibly Obama. TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #40
Baloney - Kerry and Obama did what they did to AVOID war in Syria that GOP/Dem hawks wanted. blm Feb 2014 #52
Let's be honest, Kerry was pretty ginned up about two things: arms to rebels (he still is), and TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #60
Oh geez - you really want to stay dug in. Try reading articles from before the chem attack. blm Feb 2014 #62
mccain and Graham did say that was Kerry's position - but Kerry's karynnj Feb 2014 #64
Please, Mr. Secretary sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #33
Ya think? nt bemildred Feb 2014 #34
Mr. Kerry lancer78 Feb 2014 #45
Mission accomplished! woo me with science Feb 2014 #57
We are TIRED of ENDLESS WAR lovuian Feb 2014 #61
When Kerry & the other 1%-ers send their kids overseas to fight, then I'll maybe listen wordpix Feb 2014 #69
Kerry sent HIMSELF to war karynnj Feb 2014 #72
He is arguing against cuts to the State Department budget - not money for wars karynnj Feb 2014 #73
hahaha El_Johns Feb 2014 #63
Kerry is out of touch. Quantess Feb 2014 #65
Um, Sir, I have a little news for you: Brigid Feb 2014 #74

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
66. definitely out of touch. This country is 3rd world with the 1% doing well,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:43 AM
Feb 2014

not paying much in taxes as they hide their money/investments, the middle class shrinking and lower income people increasing. Kerry is REALLY out of touch but what do you expect from a 1%-er married to a Heinz fortune?

carla

(553 posts)
2. U.S. 'Beginning To Behave Like A Poor Nation' ?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:05 AM
Feb 2014

Could be because you elite rich bastards have made it a poor nation? As for the "new" isolationism, check your history books, John. The US was an isolationist nation for a good portion of it's history. It would be a good thing to explore the nature of governance, Secretary, and not just give in to the tendencies dictated by the MIC. And you, YOU, came back from Viet Nam to channel an anti-war movement amongst vets? I see you are more corrupt than you ever thought you'd be. Shame on you and your privileged friends. Your adventurism is no solution and you know it, but you just have to keep the money machine rolling, don't you?

blm

(113,071 posts)
7. Your post proves you know very little about Kerry's service to this nation.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:22 AM
Feb 2014

I challenge you to name any another lawmaker who has investigated and exposed more government corruption than John Kerry has over the last 3 decades.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
16. Yes I did - and I suspect that had it NOT been built,
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:09 AM
Feb 2014

traffic in Boston would now be far tougher than it is! I assume you prefer that a MA Senator would have taken a Chris Christie like action and worked against a major transit project for the state - to its detriment.

Kerry did support money for the project - as did Kennedy and the entire MA Congressional delegation. The problem with the Big Dig was NOT the proposal, but the implementation. That was done by the STATE government, not their federal delegation. The Republican governors and the people they put in charge were guilty of graft and mismanagement - and maybe because of this - the project greatly exceeded its original budget. That the Senators and Congressmen then got more money is not bad - it was necessary.

I do not live in Boston, but do drive there regularly to visit a daughter who lives there. I also have many friends who do live in MA. One once mentioned that a section of Boston, that we were then walking in, was totally transformed by the Big Dig. It was a pretty, light filled area in the process of gentrification. She spoke of the area having been in the shadows of overpasses replaced by tunnels.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
14. covered up the Iranian Hostage payoff for the Bush family
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:59 AM
Feb 2014

what has he exposed?
He is married to the widow of a fellow who was on the flight that made the payment.
I tend to think he knows all about what happened.
Does America?

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
19. Any link for your conspiracy theory?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:19 AM
Feb 2014

Even if true, you are speaking of 1980 - Kerry married Teresa in 1995. Even if true - and even if John Heinz told Teresa and she told John Kerry - what should he have done 15 years after the fact?

Look at Kerry's OWN actions on BCCI and the Contras from the time he first became a Senator thru the early 1990s - when the Senate took away his SFRC subcommittee. Without Kerry's committee's hearings on the Contras, it is possible that Iran/Contra would have been just about Iran payments and the Lebanese hostages. (A combination that would have been less bad for Reagan/Bush.) Not to mention, most of the perjury indictments - including Elliot Abrabms - were for lying to Kerry under oath.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
24. a pencil that draws lines between the actors in this charade?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:39 AM
Feb 2014

funny thing about how stories/links that old can disappear from the internet.
but then funnier still how some things remain-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x292769

GHWB's personal lawyer passed a multi-million dollar check to
CONTINUE THE CAPTIVITY OF AMERICANS!! in Iran.

Nothing else comes close to the level of treason and tampering.
Kerry could have told you this.
The Senate could have exposed this in 1991.
figure it out.

The Bush Family would have been destroyed, and 2000-on would
NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.
Kerry is a made man.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
25. How would Kerry have known this in 1991?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:03 PM
Feb 2014

If your SOLE connection for Kerry is Teresa - this is before he really knew her. Not to mention, if true and if she had proof, I doubt Teresa would have betrayed her first husband's memory. She loved him and has three sons of his. (No one in 1996 (a more likely time than 1991) could have predicted that GWB would become President.)

Go read the Kerry report on BCCI written about that time.

I KNOW there are tons of conspiracy theory nonsense - however none bother to explain the FACT that Kerry fought powers that be in both parties going after BCCI. (He was called by both Carter and Jackie Kennedy to stop that investigation).

Kerry contributed as much anyone in government in going after Iran/Contra - but it was the economy, not that scandal, that defeated GHWB in 1992. The Iran/Contra issue MIGHT have been raised more if the Democratic nominee was not the governor of Arkansas - however, it is likely that ANY Democratic nominee would have seen that a positive campaign on hope and change was likely to be more successful.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
30. please. Kerry headed the "investigation" that stashed the canceled check in the ladies room...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:10 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile1.html

come on.
are you buying, or selling?

blm

(113,071 posts)
43. That's Lee Hamilton, not Kerry. Also, GHWBush succeeded in getting Kerry kicked off IranContra panel
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:09 PM
Feb 2014

claiming he was too zealous. Kerry countered by demanding Senate leader allow him to pursue BCCI.

IMO, only someone interested in smearing Kerry would get the story that wrong.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
49. Kerry headed a HOUSE task force????
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:28 PM
Feb 2014

No Senate committee is mentioned. The hearing Kerry was undertaking in that interval was on BCCI. He had investigated the Contras - but was not included in the bicameral Iran/Contra committee.

Read your own links.

blm

(113,071 posts)
46. Baloney - Kerry was heading BCCI Senate investigation then. Hamilton was heading House's IranContra
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:20 PM
Feb 2014

investigations and Lawrence Walsh was Special Prosecutor. Kerry was forced off the Senate IranContra investigation by Bush for being 'over-zealous', the same way Bush got Robert Parry fired from his job after his investigative reporting that led to the uncovering of many of the IranContra stories.

blm

(113,071 posts)
41. Baloney - it was Kerry's investigation that uncovered IranContra, BCCI, CIA drug running, and
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:02 PM
Feb 2014

the S&L scandal.

And he did it pretty much on his own and at great cost to one of his personal goals.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
42. one person's investigation is anothers coverup
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:06 PM
Feb 2014

tell me about the results.
Id give Gonzalez some props there.
Not Kerry.

blm

(113,071 posts)
44. You have your facts confused. Kerry's investigation uncovered IranContra. Once DC woke up to the
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:13 PM
Feb 2014

scandal, the senate leader gave in to GHWBush and kicked Kerry off the senate panel claiming he was overzealous. Kerry demanded he be allowed to pursue BCCI in exchange. He ended up uncovering BCCI, CIA drug running and S&Ls all in the course of his original pursuit of IranContra. BTW....Henry Gonzalez doggedly pursued IranContra in the House after the initial uncovering of the early facts by Kerry. Gonzalez also pursued Iraqgate after Lawrence Walsh took over as Special Prosecutor in IranContra.



How did you manage to get the facts so wrong and why pretend that you have a grasp of the facts when you clearly do not?

blm

(113,071 posts)
48. LOL - Apparently you never read the BCCI report. What part of the fact that Kerry was blocked from
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:25 PM
Feb 2014

participating on Senate IranContra committee did you find difficult to comprehend?

http://www.salon.com/2004/07/22/kerry_36/

blm

(113,071 posts)
55. You're mixed up. Try reality.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:43 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.sirota.html

Follow the Money

How John Kerry busted the terrorists' favorite bank.
By David Sirota and Jonathan Baskin

Two decades ago, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) was a highly respected financial titan. In 1987, when its subsidiary helped finance a deal involving Texas oilman George W. Bush, the bank appeared to be a reputable institution, with attractive branch offices, a traveler's check business, and a solid reputation for financing international trade. It had high-powered allies in Washington and boasted relationships with respected figures around the world.

All that changed in early 1988, when John Kerry, then a young senator from Massachusetts, decided to probe the finances of Latin American drug cartels. Over the next three years, Kerry fought against intense opposition from vested interests at home and abroad, from senior members of his own party; and from the Reagan and Bush administrations, none of whom were eager to see him succeed.

By the end, Kerry had helped dismantle a massive criminal enterprise and exposed the infrastructure of BCCI and its affiliated institutions, a web that law enforcement officials today acknowledge would become a model for international terrorist financing. As Kerry's investigation revealed in the late 1980s and early 1990s, BCCI was interested in more than just enriching its clients--it had a fundamentally anti-Western mission. Among the stated goals of its Pakistani founder were to "fight the evil influence of the West," and finance Muslim terrorist organizations. In retrospect, Kerry's investigation had uncovered an institution at the fulcrum of America's first great post-Cold War security challenge.
>>>>

But legislation is only one facet of a senator's record. As the BCCI investigation shows, Kerry developed a very different record of accomplishment--one often as vital, if not more so, than passage of bills. Kerry's probe didn't create any popular new governmental programs, reform the tax code, or eliminate bureaucratic waste and fraud. Instead, he shrewdly used the Senate's oversight powers to address the threat of terrorism well before it was in vogue, and dismantled a key terrorist weapon. In the process, observers saw a senator with tremendous fortitude, and a willingness to put the public good ahead of his own career. Those qualities might be hard to communicate to voters via one-line sound bites, but they would surely aid Kerry as president in his attempts to battle the threat of terrorism.

From drug lords to lobbyists

Despite having helmed the initial probe which led to the Iran-Contra investigation, Kerry was left off the elite Iran-Contra committee in 1987. As a consolation prize, the Democratic leadership in Congress made Kerry the chairman of the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics, and International Operations and told him to dig into the Contra-drug connection. Kerry turned to BCCI early in the second year of the probe when his investigators learned that Panamanian strongman Manuel Noriega was laundering drug profits through the bank on behalf of the Medellin cartel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
71. You really never understood what the various hearings did
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:11 AM
Feb 2014

The Kerry hearings were in his small SFRC subcommittee that he started when he was approached by vets, who trusted him because of 1971, telling him they were recruited to fly guns to the Contras and to fly cocaine into the US on the return which would pay for the operation. Kerry knew that this would be a lose/lose thing to do - even risking his Senate seat. However, he thought it was an important thing to do and the right thing to do.

He went to Lugar, the chair of the committee, and was told that he would be given a subcommittee (with the subpoena power that comes with it) if he could get a Republican to co-chair it. This itself should have ended things, but Kerry persuaded Jesse Helmes(!) to back him - even though he thought the Contras were heroes - because he was very anti-drugs.

Kerry hired - as his personal staff - many people who were investigators, most notably Jack Blum. He supported them even as he received death threats and withstood planted media reports that smeared him. He had problems with the Republican staff on the committee leaking stuff to the President and the RW media. However the witnesses - that the US government tried to discredit - were vindicated when a plane involved in this crashed in Central America - and it matched the description given of the plane. They then verified that it had flown out of Mena, Arkansas.

The report that Kerry's committee wrote which was blasted by the mainstream media detailed that the CIA had turned a blind eye to these flights - and they did illegally give arms to the Contras and bring drugs into the US. I KNOW there are conspiracy theorists who use the wealth of data in Kerry's report who then criticize Kerry for not going further and calling it a CIA led effort. In fact, Kerry's report contained everything he could PROVE. His background as an exceptional prosecutor shows in this. The report led to things like Newsweek calling him a "randy conspiracy nut". In the 1990s, the CIA - to avoid another investigation on this - stated that the Kerry report was accurate. (Note that the media is guilty - maybe because they were uncomfortable with US wrong doing - quickly "forgot" this happened - and it certainly is not part of the accepted story of the Reagan years. ) In all likelihood, it was Kerry's work and the crash of the plane that allowed them to prove the witnesses were telling the truth that put a stop to this despicable plan. (Consider the impact that had on the inner cities of the US in the late 1980s.)

As to the big Iran/Contra hearing, it is generally considered to have been poorly run and included a lot of people grandstanding before the cameras. There had been almost no coverage of Kerry's serious grillings on his committee. They gave immunity to many people before they testified making it impossible to then try them. (It was lying to Kerry that led to the perjury charges of people like Elliot Abrams - something the media should (but doesn't) note every time he blasts Kerry.) The result was that where the scandal did shock many, it also created many right wing heroes - most notably Oliver North. It is true that most books on the Iran/Contra hearings speak mostly of the very public hearings and the indictments of Walsh.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
20. That isn't the half of it, IMO
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:22 AM
Feb 2014

I got your back, Carla. I'd write more in support, but I gotta go....

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
35. when you get back you can write something to excoriate Roosevelt since he was a rich bastard too.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:04 PM
Feb 2014
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
4. "isolationism" is the buzz word to describe opposition to
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:15 AM
Feb 2014

the trade agreements that has contributed greatly to the poor economy.

Nothing worse than a poor guy acting like he's rich. ..same goes for nations.

blm

(113,071 posts)
58. Kerry's attack on GOP's budget-cutting isolationism isn't an attack on the US 99ers.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:12 PM
Feb 2014

Senate Democrats, in interviews today with National Review Online, roundly praised the “Occupy Wall Street” movement. Sen. John Kerry (D., Mass.), for example, identified himself as an ally of the cause. “I’m very, very understanding of where they’re coming from,” he said. “I think there’s a lot of frustration and a lot of anger, and I’d been sort of anticipating that before long, people were going to start demonstrating it in various ways.”
>>>>

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
36. your supposition has no relevance in the context Kerry used it.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:17 PM
Feb 2014

He was talking about Iran and Syria.

durablend

(7,462 posts)
5. Wondering if this also relates to TPP and KXL
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:18 AM
Feb 2014
Speaking to reporters, Kerry inveighed against what he sees as a tendency within the United States to retreat from the world


TPTB don't appreciate our complaining about our jobs being shipped offshore and oil that's going to pollute this country only to be exported anyway.
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
8. Are they really friends
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:28 AM
Feb 2014

if you have to buy them?

America engages in international prostitution.

Meanwhile, we are the ones getting fucked at home.

Where is the extended unemployment? Where are the jobs?

Where is our financial security beyond a 9mm retirement plan?

America first!

unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
10. 13 years of invasion and occupation ran up the National Credit Card by
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:36 AM
Feb 2014

four or five trillion dollars.

My great-great-great grandkids are still gonna be paying for these adventures.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
22. Well some people have made a $$$$$ killing out of all of this
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:24 AM
Feb 2014

Defense contractors, Boeing, Halliburton, Carlisle the Banks and much of the 1%

The ones who didn't are the men and women who died or had their legs and arms blown off.

Bette Noir

(3,581 posts)
18. From the headline, I thought this was going to be about infrastructure.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:15 AM
Feb 2014

We don't need an empire. We need to repair our bridges and replace our water mains.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
23. Things Kerry fought for in the Senate
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:31 AM
Feb 2014

Obama backed his infrastructure bank proposal - but it went nowhere with Republicans, including some who were cosponsors!

What Kerry, as Secretary of State, is speaking for is the State Department budget. This is his job - and it is long held belief in diplomacy having a positive impact as well.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
32. And put our poor..
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:25 PM
Feb 2014

... in jobs.

Kerry's world view is fine, but we have bigger fish to fry RIGHT HERE AT HOME. And when we can't even offer subsistence to the long term unemployed, YES WE ARE ACTING POOR.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
67. "replace our water mains"---even in DC, they're constantly blowing and causing traffic jams
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:46 AM
Feb 2014

Congress is so clueless they don't notice as they're driven to the Capitol by their drivers.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
26. No problem here with backing off the world, John.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:04 PM
Feb 2014

We're oh just a wee bit over involved as is.

Bring it home.

Let the Chinese clout themselves blind for awhile.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
31. Who is he blaming for the "new isolationism", or retreating from the world? This is absolutely not
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:16 PM
Feb 2014

clear to me. Is he railing at Congress, the President, the DoD for cutting its budget? The American people for being tired of overseas interventions? He's aware we've been through a crippling recession, right?

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
38. I just had to dig for that answer, it seems he's decrying Republicans and Congress
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:21 PM
Feb 2014

for their lack of action on Syria and their complaints about progress with Syria.

I could not find a video of this particular meeting with the press or any full, in context quotes.

But here is an article that breaks it down a bit more sensibly

http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-decries-isolationism-says-u-acts-poor-nation-033932577.html

The day before he was also using the term isolationism when referring to congress/republicans and Syria.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
40. Well, he's wrong, then. NO ONE wanted to strike Syria, except for him and possibly Obama.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:45 PM
Feb 2014

The American people didn't want it, few in Congress wanted it, and the Pentagon didn't want it.

blm

(113,071 posts)
52. Baloney - Kerry and Obama did what they did to AVOID war in Syria that GOP/Dem hawks wanted.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:33 PM
Feb 2014

Kerry had been working with Lavrov on Syria before the chemical weapon attack. They have always been on the same page reSyria. The dogandpony show was necessary to make it happen.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
60. Let's be honest, Kerry was pretty ginned up about two things: arms to rebels (he still is), and
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:13 PM
Feb 2014

the airstrikes. He was really gung-ho about those ideas--it wasn't a bluff or an act. It's clear he's frustrated about Syria and wants to do more--but someone or some people in the WH (possibly including Obama) have held back. At the end of the Munich conference, he supposedly told McCain and a handful of other Senators that he considered Obama's Syria policy a failure and that he still wanted to arm the rebels more. That's not to discount his diplomatic efforts in Geneva, but let's not pretend he hasn't been pushing for more intervention in Syria.

blm

(113,071 posts)
62. Oh geez - you really want to stay dug in. Try reading articles from before the chem attack.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:59 PM
Feb 2014

He and Lavrov knew exactly what they intended for Syria. Kerry intervened personally with his trips to meet with Assad in an effort to stop Bush from invading Syria back when Bush had MANY Dems supporting it, including both Clintons.

Let's be honest, you are depending on conclusions drawn from a lazy-minded media that ignored Kerry's efforts to prevent the expansion of war into Syria that go back to 2005. They never put Kerry's efforts in context.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
64. mccain and Graham did say that was Kerry's position - but Kerry's
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:00 PM
Feb 2014

spokesperson, who was there with them said that he did NOT say that - THEY did. Senator Murphy (D, CT) who was there also denied it. http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/us-denies-kerry-said/978456.html (Note that Jen Psacki's rejection of McCain's claim was in the original articles, but the media wrote the story from McCain's side.

Kerry was always leery of giving arms due to not knowing if the weapons would end up with AQ.


sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
33. Please, Mr. Secretary
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:50 PM
Feb 2014

After years of expensive foreign adventures and large budgets for CIA, NSA etc it might be time to try a bit of isolationism. In case you did not notice we cannot afford the American Empire anymore, because -like other empires in the past - we overextended ourselves.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
45. Mr. Kerry
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:15 PM
Feb 2014

Unfortunately, this country can no longer afford to be the wet nurse for the world. Charity begins at home.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
61. We are TIRED of ENDLESS WAR
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:17 PM
Feb 2014

We have all felt the sacrifice of OUR little lambs who died for this country

enough is enough

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
73. He is arguing against cuts to the State Department budget - not money for wars
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:16 AM
Feb 2014

Read the article - even the RW Moonie Press is accurate on that. The whole idea is that DIPLOMACY might avoid future wars.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
74. Um, Sir, I have a little news for you:
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:16 PM
Feb 2014

This country is becoming a poor nation. And years of unending war is one big reason why.

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