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Judi Lynn

(160,586 posts)
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:34 PM Feb 2014

Neo-paramilitaries announce ‘the end of communist, homosexual students’ in Bogota

Source: Colombia Reports

Neo-paramilitaries announce ‘the end of communist, homosexual students’ in Bogota
Feb 27, 2014 posted by Mimi Yagoub

This is the time for social cleansing,” reads the most recent pamphlet by Colombian neo-paramilitaries, which threatens to take the lives of the “communist, homosexual, immoral and rapist” schoolchildren of Bogota.

A neo-paramilitary group known as the “Aguilas Negras” has issued a “social cleansing” pamphlet to schoolchildren in Colombian capital, Bogota, Colombia’s human rights agency, ombudsman’s office, announced on Wednesday.

“For the schools of Ciudad Bolivar, Kenedi, Bosa, Usme and others, fathers take care of you children, those who are crooked we’re going to straighten out by bullet or knife, either they’re with us or the c**** disappear,” the pamphlet reads, referring to the students of various localities in Bogota.

“This is the end of communist, homosexual students, immoral swines and rapists.”

The ombudsman’s office has called for authorities to put in place the necessary evacuation and security measures.

Read more: http://colombiareports.co/end-communist-homosexual-students-social-cleansers-threaten-colombia-schools/

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Neo-paramilitaries announce ‘the end of communist, homosexual students’ in Bogota (Original Post) Judi Lynn Feb 2014 OP
oh...Well that's a relief! Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #1
Are these the paramilitaries supported by the US? /nt Ash_F Feb 2014 #2
Sounds like these paramiltaries might be better supported by Putin. Times change. pampango Feb 2014 #4
Times change but I believe the US has been supporting the right in this confilct Ash_F Feb 2014 #5
That's a very simplistic way to put it, since this isn't a monolithic "right vs. left" affair. gbscar Feb 2014 #7
Are you talking about Columbia? /nt Ash_F Feb 2014 #8
Yes, I am talking about Colombia. I wouldn't be replying otherwise. n/t gbscar Feb 2014 #9
The US has been supporting these groups Ash_F Feb 2014 #10
That's still rather simplistic. The U.S. has supported allies of the predecessors of said groups. gbscar Feb 2014 #14
Oh well that's ok then Ash_F Feb 2014 #16
I hope you didn't stop reading there, but it's your choice. n/t gbscar Feb 2014 #24
Priceless! So completely the way they operated. Congenital liars, all. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #18
tell that to the paramilitaries being discussed in this story Enrique Feb 2014 #15
I'd certainly tell them that, if it would make any difference. gbscar Feb 2014 #22
These paramilitaries are former members of the AUC, which allegedly demobilized, Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #11
Thanks. USGov does some sick stuff for the love of money. Ash_F Feb 2014 #12
They do descend from the AUC and they share a percentage of the same personnel gbscar Feb 2014 #19
Bingo. DeSwiss Feb 2014 #20
Gotta have conflicts to use as a justification to butt into other countries, Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #26
Charming. n/t Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #3
Because murder is of course justified in cases of communistic homosexuality. truthisfreedom Feb 2014 #6
If this group had to choose, it will go after peaceful communists every time. happyslug Feb 2014 #13
Just as the US used to claim it intended to wipe out all the "commies" Judi Lynn Feb 2014 #17
The Reagan narrative was a piece of crap, but painting the exact opposite picture is little better gbscar Feb 2014 #21
Sadly, there have been homosexuals who were murdered without being "communist" n/t gbscar Feb 2014 #23
But the point I was mking, is these people see Commies as their REAL ENEMY happyslug Feb 2014 #25
Sounds like a press release from the G O P blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #27

pampango

(24,692 posts)
4. Sounds like these paramiltaries might be better supported by Putin. Times change.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:11 PM
Feb 2014

Now Obama is the gay, Muslim terrorist president.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
5. Times change but I believe the US has been supporting the right in this confilct
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:19 PM
Feb 2014

For a long time.

gbscar

(309 posts)
7. That's a very simplistic way to put it, since this isn't a monolithic "right vs. left" affair.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:35 PM
Feb 2014

There have been prominent individuals in the local and national governments of Colombia as well as in the courts who have been explicitly in favor of homosexuality, without that meaning they are "the left" either. It's rather unnecessary to mix all people like that.

gbscar

(309 posts)
14. That's still rather simplistic. The U.S. has supported allies of the predecessors of said groups.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:01 PM
Feb 2014

But a lot of water has gone under that bridge, both for better and for worse.

It is inaccurate to equate support for military units associated with paramilitary squads in 1996 with any current support for the neo-paramilitary groups of Aguilas Negras who are making these threats against the school children of Bogotá in the year 2014.

I realize it's tempting and surely easier to just wrap everything up in a giant blob of evil called "the right" and ignore the details though.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
16. Oh well that's ok then
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:09 PM
Feb 2014

"The U.S. has supported allies of the predecessors of said groups."

Cool I guess everything is in order then. Moving along.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
15. tell that to the paramilitaries being discussed in this story
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:02 PM
Feb 2014

from the OP, their pamphlet reads “This is the end of communist, homosexual students, immoral swines and rapists.”


gbscar

(309 posts)
22. I'd certainly tell them that, if it would make any difference.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:40 PM
Feb 2014

But I realize that the criminals writing those pamphlets aren't very open to civilized conversation.

I do believe there are, however, other people who are right-wing without being murderous, anti-homosexual or anti-communist.

Judi Lynn

(160,586 posts)
11. These paramilitaries are former members of the AUC, which allegedly demobilized,
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:49 PM
Feb 2014

although all human rights groups, and others have made statements that they are nothing other than the AUC, reorganized into smaller groups with new names.

The AUC, if you are familiar with it, has been shown, through court testimonies (sometimes by former paras who were murdered after testifying) for years and years, to have been joined at the hip to the Colombian military, which you know IS deeply funded by US hard-earned taxdollars.

Court trials have been going on for years regarding this unsavory alliance, the paras have been considered the adjunct group which would handle the truly evil work the Colombian military didn't want to associate its name with, although in some massacres, it has been testified various Colombian military personel actually did wade in a participate along with the paras.

In some cases they were known to surround towns and keep traffic out, and the citizens in while the paras did their "magic," sometimes taking human beings apart with chain saws for dramatic effect, and to create terror, as a psychological trauma which would last far longer to Colombians who heard about it: a good way to paralyze people with fear at a distance to keep them so frightened they wouldn't dare rise up against you.

Investigations are still going on regarding current Colombian military personel, extremely high ranking, and their ties to the former paras.

Same guys in the new paramilitary groups, just the names of the groups have changed. They pursue the same goals, and achieve them the same way. Everything is exactly the same except for the names.

gbscar

(309 posts)
19. They do descend from the AUC and they share a percentage of the same personnel
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:20 PM
Feb 2014

But the situation has been complicated, in many ways, since even the former AUC was never a monolithic entity. It was an umbrella alliance of drug lords and other parties, with connections to the Colombian military and, by extension, yes, with the U.S. government, that tried to present themselves as having a central command as well as an unified political project.

Yet the demobilization process, while definitely never complete and partial, did lead to more than just a "renaming" in practice if you actually do read up on various reports that not only chronicle their continuing human rights abuses but also what has happened in the places where they turned against one another. There has been in-fighting and splitting up of the different factions.

In some areas it's true nothing has changed, as you have pointed out, but in others things did vary. Colombia has room for multiple realities in a large and diverse country, not just one vague generalization or single narrative that is applicable to every single part of it.

The majority of the old paramilitary leaders have been extradited to the United States as part of a process that they themselves considered to be a betrayal. The subordinates and the ones remaining behind then engaged in a struggle for power and did not even attempt to create any sort of overarching structure as a result.

Then you also have the fact that the parapolitics scandal has resulted in several of their former allies being jailed, killed or otherwise turning against their previous allegiances. Don't you think that has an effect?

The new groups obviously include among them those that never demobilized, but to say that there is no difference is simplistic.



Judi Lynn

(160,586 posts)
26. Gotta have conflicts to use as a justification to butt into other countries,
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:36 PM
Feb 2014

and put the US business-friendly people in power.

Thank you for the kind little furry image. They make the world far more beautiful.

truthisfreedom

(23,149 posts)
6. Because murder is of course justified in cases of communistic homosexuality.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:34 PM
Feb 2014

This is like some game of extremism... let's see who can be more sick.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
13. If this group had to choose, it will go after peaceful communists every time.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:00 PM
Feb 2014

Notice the communists are listed first, which implies they see the real enemy are Communists not homosexuals. Furthermore if this group had to choose between a group of homosexuals raping young children and a group of peaceful Communists having a teach in, they go after the Commies every time.

Side note: I know they are people who will be upset about me making a reference to homosexuals raping children, I am NOT saying that is the case, but that IF such a group of Homosexuals existed in Columbia and were raping children and this group were told of it AND of a peaceful communist teach in, it is the peaceful communist teach in that they would opt to attack. This groups real enemy are the Communists not Homosexuals.

Judi Lynn

(160,586 posts)
17. Just as the US used to claim it intended to wipe out all the "commies"
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:11 PM
Feb 2014

in Latin America, after Ronald Reagan claimed to have conquered communism, they no longer had any excuse to get violent with the poor of the Americas who were suffering from brutal right-wing overlords, so they started having to accuse them of either being "terrorists" or being "drug traffickers."

That oughta take care of the situation. Some of them attained the rare distinction of being designated as drug-trafficking terrorists, but that only applied to the leftists, not the ultra violent ones who, as human rights groups like Amnesty have stated, are responsible for the "lion's share" of the violence in Colombia, or, combined with the military, the vast majority of the violence. Violence by the right is ALWAYS overlooked by the corporate media. Violence perpetrated by the right, or military, and blamed on the left has always remained blamed on the left in corporate media, even when the truth has surfaced.

It's a true miracle the story finally made it to US "news" sources that the Colombian military has been employed for ages murdering simple citizens in Colombia, then arranging their bodies on the ground, along with guns they place beside them for the photo, and claimed as "rebels" in order to use them as proof of enemies downed in fighting. They are called "false polsitives."

This had been going on for many years before it finally was acknowledged in corporate media. The news seemed like "news" to some, but others knew it was more properly termed "real olds."

gbscar

(309 posts)
21. The Reagan narrative was a piece of crap, but painting the exact opposite picture is little better
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:29 PM
Feb 2014

Unless you believe the truth is something like this:

On the one hand, you have the heroic left-wing who does nothing but heroically sacrifice themselves for the poor!

On the other hand, you have the evil right-wing who does nothing but exclusively oppress the poor!

The corporate media is surely full of bias, yet there is still room for a lot of realities that do not fit either statement above.

For instance, there have been many brutal acts carried out without any political affiliation, but that doesn't mean they aren't important. Or how there have even been paramilitaries who have defected to the guerrillas and guerrillas who have defected to the paramilitaries. War is hell, and it's also a huge mess.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
25. But the point I was mking, is these people see Commies as their REAL ENEMY
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:05 PM
Feb 2014

Everything after the word "Communist" was to make the Communists more evil in their own eyes, then an attack on Homosexuals. Yes, people in this group would kill Homosexuals, but they will go after Communists way before they go after Homosexuals, no matter how "Good" are the Commies and how "Bad" are the Homosexuals.

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