Maduro can do no wrong, everything that goes wrong is the fault of the CIA...

if we suddenly discovered that we couldn't reliably buy the basic necessities of life. We'd be demonstrating too!

Of course the scarcity is hardest on the poor that don't have workarounds.
http://www.eluniversal.com/economia/140213/venezuelas-food-shortage-in-january-the-highest-in-five-years

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-08/hunt-for-food-sends-venezuelans-to-colombian-border-towns.html
Nor is the government's rhetoric about capital strikes and plots helping any - food is being bought at subsidized prices and then being sold across the border.

Physical shortages, psychological.

Lies, lies, lies

The US is so fucking exceptional every damn conflict in every damn country or city of the world is influenced by the almighty American intelligence and meddling power.

"Dear Leader"...did you borrow it from them?

His father Kim Il-sung was/is the 'Great Leader' or 'Eternal Leader'

The supposed spiritual immortality of both men draws upon Korea's Buddhist traditions.

The problem is some people are unaware that the "Dear Leader" label has been tossed around in other contexts as well.

So odd to hear anyone claiming it now.

_{George W. Bush} was called a lot of things, but never heard him being called "Dear Leader," especially considering he wasn't elected, and certainly never heard Clinton called "Dear Leader," at least among ordinary people.

Can't speak for right-wingers.

Jesus, not you too Judi...



Anyway, use of the mocking term against Clinton predates our modern Internet and I've no clue how to go about mucking the primordial swamps of pre-technological rightwingdom to find examples.

Your facts and evidence were preemptively struck down by withering opinion and faulty memory. Mission Accomplished.

Guess I better self delete.

That damned Google is simply a tool of the pro-oligarchs, anyway.

I am limited by time to the threads I feel a need to see, since I spend the rest of my available time looking for articles, reading important posted articles from other posters as time allows.

were wrong.

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call that insane North Korean leader, Dear Leader, in other words, it's not just the RW that uses that phrase.

But not as a pejorative
And the right wing co-opted it to insinuate that Obama was a dictator...and now we have it used here...so it was borrowed from the right wing...and they wore it out before they gave it to us.

And I have been around and have been paying attention ...do you have a link to where Bush was called Dear Leader?

...don't think you were paying as close attention as you think you were. Popquiz, did you ever see any of THESE nicknames for Bush: The Chimperor, Il Dunce, Bush* (yes, with the asterisk), Commander Bunnypants, the Idiot Son, Chimpy McStagger (those are just the ones off the top of my head... 8 years is a long time for *that* man to earn nicknames...).

Also, you're welcome. Now you have more names to call him than just "motherfucker."

To answer your pop quiz.
But I may not fly in the same circles as you do...and tend not to pay attentions to threads where it is all name calling and no substance...there were far too much substantive posters here to waste my time on that kind of garbage.
And for your information I don't ever recall calling him motherfucker...but do a search to see if you can catch me on it if you like.

Out of 65 million post you found 4 or 5 that proved it was pervasive and I should have seen it.
I am so humiliated that I was not paying attention.

Took me all of 1 minute using google to find those 5, something you could've done instead of dismissing it off hand.

But out of 65 million posts my guess you could find any combinations of words you chose to look for.
But after being here a month you are now an expert on DU...and have looked into it's archives and seen it's soul.

booooooo! that's what dear leader Maduro does.

And if the shoe fits wear it...Maduro was elected in a fair and open election and to imply that he is like an appointed dictator is unfair and wrong...something that the right wing practices all the time.
But in defense of calling Bush Dear Leader, (which I don't agree with at all)...Bush WAS appointed to the job by the SCOTUS and lost the popular vote.

What a beautiful function to disprove statements.

All I did was type in "dear leader bush", something you could have easily done before making your comment.

I said I never saw it, and I have read a lot on DU over the past decade, that means it was not pervasive enough for a long time member to have seen it...not that it was never said in 65 million posts.
But if you searched 65 million post on right wing sites you would find thousands, tens of thousands of post that said Dear Leader Obama...so what does that prove?

before making your comments.
I know I'm new here, but even I figured that out, so, as a veteran of DU, why couldn't you?

Not was said or not said on 65 million post on DU.

And why? because I don't go looking for things to discredit people with or to justify right wing memes...I am hear for the intellectual stimulation not the angst.

Oh and BTW, Du especially in the early years was the absolutely best place on the net for intellectual stimulation and substantive conversations...and it is still here, but often you have to dig through a bunch of shit to find it.

Even after the evidence that it's used by both sides?

that makes it even I guess.
And calling attention to facts is not an attack unless you are just being defensive of the misinformation.

Just google "dear leader bush" and you'll find there are many, many more posts on DU.
I only posted 5 thinking that would be enough to disprove your comment, but, I guess I was wrong.

It sure sounds like you're the one being defensive here, not me.

It really is ok to admit that you might have been wrong and move past this, but I guess for some people, that's not an option.

And project right back to me.

I am seeing that all the time now on DU...which is what I mean by digging through the shit.
But you are right you are not being defensive at all...offence is the best defense.

just not this one, so, let's call it even and move on from here. Ok?

and do some research.

Those 5 links took me all of 1 minute to find and there are lots more there.

who is inaccurate a lot.

to mock and disparage the people they fear and the leaders they wish to destroy. I'm not saying the left does not mock and disparage (with Chimpie, who among us could help himself?) but it is a standard practice for the right - in the playbook, so to speak.

That's why you saw Chavez called names like Fatso, why you see them calling Maduro "Dear Leader" and other such amazingly creative names. They can't help themselves. It's what they are.

Why not buy a coup?...it is cheap these days.

The students are neocons? How much do you want to bet that none of them even know what that US political term means. Stop looking at everything through the prism of US politics. It sounds so elitist.

and the Real News (which I depend on) the students are mostly from the private universities (elites) and even if I supported the goals of my govt. As a poor person, I too would have to protest the food shortages/inflation, etc.
That has been caused by the elite hoarding to destabilize Socialism. They(elites) want their crony capitalism back.

Wall St. has begun hoarding commodities in America now to drive the prices up along with their PROFITS.
When this affects you....

Says people who know zero about economics or have ever owned a business.

Government sets artificial price too low to keep up with inflation so business's can either lose money when they sell locally or sell across the border or hold on to the stock and see if any thing changes. Doesn't take any right wing plot, just businessmen who don't want to lose everything and go out of business.

Water cannon as well...courtesy of the twitter feed of Anonymous Venezuela:

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If it was OWS that were throwing stones an burning things in the street you would say they derserved what they got...and in fact some say they deserved what they got even when they were peaceful.

And suddenly people become experts in a south American country and believe any and all propaganda they see put out...but one side only... and you seldom see the other side presented and when it is it is dismissed as propaganda.
If you google this you will find tons of this Maduro is evil dictatory stuff and little of the other side...why is that?
Just as people are now an expert on the Ukrain and know all about it....and 2 weeks ago they could not find it on a map.
The internet is a wonderfull tool for information and disinformation...and if you can't tell the diference you become thier fool.

That's why they get support -- because they tell us what they are protesting about and they get up off their asses and MOVE every day.

Camping isn't protesting. Standing around handing around a talking stick and waving fingers in the air led to what?

The Venezuelans are asking for some basic things, here--we know what they want. They want security--both in terms of protection from crime, to incude 25K murders a year, and FOOD security; they want the shelves of the grocery stores stocked, they don't want rationing, shortages, and Maduro telling them to just eat less, they want a reduction in inflation which is at the runaway stage--the economy is near collapse; they want the police to stop shooting students, they want the hundreds of prisoners taken released, they want the censorship of the media and the internet to cease. For STARTERS....

My grandfather helped to build Caracas, but thanks for your "concern." I've been able to find it on a map for longer than most people are alive.

This isn't "disinformation" either. This is happening, and it's going to keep happening, no matter how often Maduro tells people to "go to the beach." They're organized, they're determined, they're not afraid, and they're doing this the right way--everyone knows what they want, hell, THEY know what they want (unlike huge swathes of OWS, who were not unified in their goals), and they are keeping up the pace, not hanging around in tents all day. So yeah--funny how that actually WORKS when there's competent leadership at the helm:











That's just a few of the protests scheduled for TODAY. I assume, since you're lecturing me with Ye Olde Finger Wag, that you can read all that, if not, let me know what you're having trouble with and I can translate. That is not an all-inclusive list. There will be another list posted tonight to direct people where to go and what to do tomorrow. Amazing how organization and effort can achieve results...! The only solid demos that OWS was able to muster had UNION help and leadership.

This isn't a "Nothing to see here, move along" game. The people are pissed off, quite justifiably, they aren't asking for the moon, they want BASICS. In a country sitting on the most oil reserves in the world they aren't out of line. Maduro and his corrupt cronies have FUCKED Venezuela, and Cuba is extracting as much as they can before the gravy train goes off the tracks. Maduro has made bad bargains with China to get loans he'll be paying back forever in oil--if he can get it out of the ground because the equipment is broken and no one will give him credit because he's a sleaze who doesn't pay his bills. His "friends" are robbing the joint blind. The place is a mess, and it's HIS fault. He's made a bad situation much, much worse. The frigging presidential palace has peeling paint, Chavez's kids won't move out and they're partying like it's 1999 up in there. The country is going to hell. That's why we're seeing this kind of thing, now:




It's not about Chavismo anymore. That died three months before they buried Hugo.

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And burning shit in the streets?...and had violent leaders?...and should have come from the 1%.
Good luck with that, if it had come from the 1% in this country it would not be protesting against Wall Street...they would have been protesting against Commie Obama like the Tea Party and like the Tea Party the cops would do nothing.

The 1% want that oil back, and I am sure they will get it by force if nessesary...and things will go right back to where it was before Chavez which was not so good for the people as it was for the rich.

But the country with the highest murder rate right now is Honduras, which is twice as high as VZ...and they had their coup to depose an elected president...and the right wing are in firm control.
And it is noted just how much propaganda you have for the oppisition...not surprising sense they have plenty of money to spend on it...some of it from the CIA.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/20/venezuelas-poor-protests-chavez-revolution

"The poor neighbourhood of Petare in western Caracas is not an obvious hotbed of anti-government sentiment. In the past, its residents have been among the major beneficiaries of Venezuela's public health and education campaigns, and an economic policy that resulted in one of the sharpest falls in inequality in the world.

But as demonstrations sweep several major cities, even the people of Petare have taken to the streets to protest again surging inflation, alarming murder rates and shortages of essential commodities.

Jorge Farias, a self-employed motorcycle taxi driver, once voted for the late president Hugo Chávez, but this week he joined opposition rallies.

"This country can't stay like this for much longer. If it's not lack of food, it is the fear of being killed when you step out of your house to go to work", he said. "I would like to wake up without this fear," he added. "I have never seen this country in this state of total collapse. We are going from bad to worse, and we are losing faith". "Ya esta bueno ya", is phrase which Venezuelans are hearing with increasing frequency. Roughly translated as "Enough already", the slogan captures a wide-spread sense of discontent and growing uncertainty over the country's future."

OWS should take a clue from the opposition in VZ....and tear up the place, then maybe you will support them...

your WRONG thesis about who the protestors are in VZ. Occupy (RIP) went out with a whimper, and no one even noticed, and you can blame it on whoever the hell you want. As for VZ, you'd probably throw a rock or two, if you had to resort to dried leaves. Now pass the talkin' stick.

It was an attempt to peacefully bring change, and as you said it did not work.
And violence apparently will work if you have the backing of big money and the eliet...the rule of power is respected by many even here.
Democracy and peace are so overrated.

(One of my favorite songs and artist)

Ron Paul movement at its roots, and I've seen nothing to change that assessment.

clock is right twice a day*

*unless it has one of them am/pm doo-hickies.

Makes me wonder if you can find it on a map since Honduras (I assume that's what you were going for) is in Central America which is not the same thing at all as South America unless you fell asleep in geography class.

I changed it.

your throat! Cool, isn't it?

They've been fooling some too long to turn back noooowwww. They've been channeling it into Venezuela for years, throughout the _Bush pResidency.

Then there are the trolls who come here and pitch fits when people don't really want to see it all again, the same old stories they've been dragging around all this time. We have to pay for them, (propaganda orts engineered to replace the truth) then we have to keep hearing them over and over, and then people want to scuffle with us because we won't believe them.

Takes all kinds, unfortunately.

You would think they would come up with something new once in a while but I suspect they lack imagination.

And the give away for me is when they defend the protesters throwing rocks at the cops and burning stuff in the streets and then criticize OWS for doing peaceful demonstrations....it leaves no doubt as to their goals and intent...

OWS did set fire to things.

But a few agent provocateurs sure tried their best to get them too...and failed
But every little thing that could be thought up or made up was used to accuse them... and even here on a progressive site there was constant criticism.
And then the same people praise the opposition in anther country that does all of those things and more.

damn! Thats the first crucifixion Ive seen.
What a rush!
unfortunately, these zombie vampires keep going.
no brains or hearts necessary.
and they love silver.
30 pieces at a time.

and in fact am against any punishment for expressing any opinion even if it is from the most blatant of propaganda spin.
But I can understand how they might feel crucified if people call them on it, because everyone feels sorry for someone hanging on the cross of exposure.

lying politicians and public officials.

IMO

Look, you can try playing games all you'd like, telling falsehoods and attempting with desperate invective but no damn proof to put an imprimatur of veracity on your rantings, but those OWS protesters were not protesting rampant inflation, the worst crime rate in the world, scarcity of basic goods, and they weren't up against a police force, a national guard, and a bunch of assholes on motorbikes running around shooting people and provoking them.

The watchword for the protesters is "PAZ" and "nonviolencia" but you want to play games, you go right ahead--you aren't coming up with anything but "Nanny nanny boo boo."

The beaches are empty, the streets are full. Actions speak louder than words.

And OWS tried to break away from that, knowing full well the history of the infiltration of the leadership of past movements...perhaps you don't know about that.

But who in the hell in this country is causing our economic problems if it is not Wall Street?...commie liberals?...the Democrats?...the president?...to imply that OWS was not about economic issues is just silly.

And it is NOT the worst crime rate in the world as I have pointed out and you could fact check that if you will...in the Americas it is Honduras which is twice as bad and has a dictatorship that came from a coup that deposed a democratic elected president...and I assume you supported that too?

And you blame the violence on the government when it is the students throwing rocks and tearing stuff up...and which would imply that you think that OWS should have had leaders like that in order to be sucessful?...and if they did you would be the first to say that they deserved to get the shit beat out of them for their violent ways.
You can't have it both ways.

And you suggest then that we here in the US should take to the streets like VZ...throw rocks at the cops, burn some cars, break into public buildings and trash the place if we want change...and then overthrow our elected president because it is his fault and not Wall Street and the elite banksters...got it...that is what you do when the vote does not go your way.

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You can't have it both ways.

2nd worst crime rate in the world...Puh-LEEZE. Like that makes a diff. Also, the gov't of VZ lies when they report these things. Most murders are UNSOLVED, too.


The students are not inciting violence--if you knew anyone down there in the thick of it, you'd know that. But you don't, so you don't. And you make stuff up to try to justify an unsupportable position.


Your last paragraph is a load of strawman bullshit. I suggest no such thing.

That's what people do when they got nuttin'--make stuff up and falsely ascribe it. No sale.

Stop making this about OWS--they're dead and buried. They had a moment, they changed the conversation, but they aren't out in the streets, like the people of VZ are today, and will be tomorrow, and the next day, and the next....SOS Venezuela.

Look what happened today: https://twitter.com/apocaliptico777/status/440920935546118145/photo/1

And look what ELSE happened:

You are on the side of those who want to depose a democratically elected president and install someone who will give back the oil to private individuals and I am not.
You support violent protest (and don't give us the bullshit that they are not because some of your own propaganda photos show them throwing rocks at the cops)...and I do not.
And you believe anything that the elite media says about it and reject any evidence by the government as lies and I do not...and if I posted again the recorded conversation of the elite leaders piloting this to be like the April 11 2002 attempted coup you would call it government lies because you don't want to hear it...and I do.

So don't you worry about a thing, they will win and take back the rich oil fields for the 1% and that will make you happy and it will make me sad that once again money and power trumps people...and once they have what they want and will eliminate any opposition with death squads...and you will say they deserved it because the elite are just worth more and the commies must die to make the world safe for them.

So when it happens you can post your joy here in a post saying that you were right and that you won and I lost.
Sound pesimistic?...well it is, but my pessimism is your optimism and we are so different in that respect.

I am on the "side" of people who want a reduction in the murder rate, an improvement in physical security, a halt to people in the Maduro regime robbing the country blind and making bad deals that don't benefit the people, food on the supermarket shelves, a halt to the rampant inflation that is making the currency useless, and an end to rule by decree out of Havana.

If Maduro shapes up, he doesn't have to ship out--but of course that wouldn't fit your anxious "coup" scenario; because you've got to be dire about stuff.

Only someone who has NO clue would be babbling about "oil fields for the one percent" when that asset is nationalized and there's no turning back on that score -- you plainly haven't been paying ANY attention to what is happening in VZ. It's not ABOUT that. It IS, though, about wasting that asset, about the "Boligarchs" stealing the treasure of the people and socking it away in Swiss banks and spending crazily on stupid shit.

The people from the SLUMS are joining those protests. They see the handwriting on the wall. Maduro is giving all that "One Percent" oil to the Chinese in exchange for cash, and he's indebting the people of VZ for YEARS with bad deals. He's also giving away the treasure of the people to Cuba, and getting precious little (except for shitty advice) back for what he gives away.

The "elite media" isn't reporting SHIT. Anonymous VZ and the people who are out on the streets with their cameras are the ones who are getting information out, despite the desperate attempts by the government to silence people with roving gangs of shooters, police and NG firing on protesters, shutting down the internet, and arresting people by the hundreds.

This isn't just a few disgruntled people:



Try actually reading those emails. The regime is CORRUPT and you're the only one who hasn't gotten the memo. You're so wrapped up in ideology that you just aren't grasping that this isn't a "rich" thing, it's middle class, working class, students, and even the poor are getting up off their asses and joining the crowds. The situation is dire, and these people would just like to go to the store, not have to worry about getting killed on the way, not have to stand in line for three hours for rationed items, not be told by Maduro to "just eat less," and go home without being robbed/killed. They'd like to be able to buy basic medicines when they become ill or have chronic conditions. That is NOT too much to ask--and if you think it is, your priorities are messed up.






Pay no attention to the National Guard beating up CSM reporters...

https://twitter.com/photolarte/status/440633919290245121/photo/1

Andy Rosati of Christian Science Monitor in Venezuela, punched in face by Vzla police AFTER ID'ing himself as journo

A good day at the grocer:



These people do not want their country run by Cuba, and I can't say as I blame them:



That's what this is about.

that repeats everything you said before?...Is it that you just must have the last word?
Or you think by repeating your points you will convince me or anyone who reads it?

We disagree and I don't believe the propaganda no more than I believe Tea Party propaganda put out by Brightbart or Fox...sorry but I don't...I have seen this movie before.

Here, don't listen to me --- open your eyes, watch and learn:

But it was made by a independ source.

The Revolution will not be tellivised...

That material I offered to you is DAYS and hours old. It's current.

You're flopping up old stuff from three years ago as a retort. Hint: Chavez is dead. He died in Cuba well before the nation was told of his demise, but he's well and truly dead. This is not about Chavez. If you watched the VICE pieces, you'd figure that out.

In April of 2002...which the video I posted shows to be created as propaganda to blame it on Chavez to give the military an excuse to oust him.

And if I were to post the video that shows the leaders of this present opposition talking about doing the same thing again now you would dismiss it as government propaganda.

But that is how things go, you believe what you want and insist that only one side has the truth...the side you side with.

Don't watch, don't learn.

Those Chavistas from the poor neighborhoods are participating in these demos with the students. It has nothing to do with "sides" unless you are not on the side of

--Freedom from crime and murder and oppression
--Ending rampant inflation, rationing and shortages
--Keeping VZ's oil profits for Venezuelans, instead of giving away vast amounts to Cuba for little return;
--Stopping censorship, rule by decree, and attacks by the armed forces and paramilitaries against these students, along with rampant arrests.

But hey--play a binary game. That's not what these students are about, and that is why the people who identify as "Chavistas" are turning out and participating with them.

This is a binary game...and you are one side I so I have no choice but to be on the other.
And then repeat your charges as if I had not already given my side of it, because repeating it seems to make you think it will be accepted as the truth.

Really it reminds me of the Tea Party tactics, the GOP shut the government down and then says Obama shut the government down because he would not submit to our demands...it is always the ones you are opposition's fault...and you are meanly the victims.

And they put out pictures like you have posted about OWS...showing them shirting in the streets, burning and looting, and accuse them of raping women and all other manner of crime...and we are supposed to fall for it?

Well sorry I don't...I know if you have millions to spend you can create any image you want to create, and they defiantly have more money than they need to do it...at least 5 million from our own government.

Who shut the buses down? Maduro.

Who declared a five day fiesta? Maduro. Go to the beach, he said! He also said "Eat less," in response to rationing. He doesn't look like he has missed a meal.

Maduro shut down the country--all by himself, by decree. The students aren't doing what he demanded they do, though. Oh well.

I guess the VICE producers work for "the opposition," too...is that your logic?

The mass shootings in this country are Obama's fault because he did nothing to stop it...and he needs to resigne...so let us take to the streets, burn cars, throw rocks and attack the cops and tear up stuff until he does.

The poor economy is Obama's fault and though he was elected he needs to step down.
Obama shut down the country all by himself by refusing to compromise...and the Tea Party is not doing what he said they should do...oh well.

And I guess the Wall Street investors and the Mafia work for Obama too...(which is kind of funny because the truth is he works for them)

See, when you apply the same standards to us hear in the USA it sounds more like Brightbart than DU.

You do not stand in line with a ration book for groceries, for hours. You don't endure shortages of basic goods, continuously.

You do not live in fear of being murdered every waking moment.

You do not suffer from food insecurity, and Obama didn't tell you and everyone else to "eat less."

You aren't constrained from travel because Obama shut down the buses, you can post on DU because Obama isn't censoring your internet access.

You weren't told to "go to the beach" in order to try to mitigate nationwide protests in every major city where the streets are filled to the brim with students.

A dictator to whom Obama is handing over huge sums of American national treasure isn't visiting to be kowtowed to by Obama.

The police, national guard and paramilitaries are not shooting at students in the streets.

Students are not being arrested, tortured, beaten and bullied in USA.

So, let's NOT "apply standards" that are, well, nonsensical. And how curiously bizarre that you think that VICE is Breitbart....says a lot about your (lack of) discrimination skills when it comes to news coverage.

that gives you permission to judge them different than we judge ourself?

So where is that line when we say it is OK to judge them diferent?...what murder rate triggers " fear of being murdered every waking moment"
And what triggers an insult statement by the president?...is saying "you can keep your insurance" not an insult and "go to the beach" is?...well the right wing in this country are insulted by the "keep" statement, do they have a point then?

But Obama is not handing over billions to his friends on Wall Street but Maduro is?

And peeper spraying students in peaceful protest is OK because no one got killed?...just badly injured?...but no we don't beat and torture people in the US...we send them to Gitmo for that...so we don't cross that line to where we have to judge ourself like we judge others.

Obviously you don't understand the moral principles I am talking about and I can't make you see it.

And it has been for some time. You don't know what's going on there, plainly, because you wouldn't keep trying for false equivalencies if you did.

If you speak Spanish, this might help you "get" it. Listen to the protesters at the 2nd half of this video telling you WHY they are protesting.

And dictatorships do not have fair and open elections...and your claim that Maduro is, is different than the claims of the tea party that Obama is a dictator...and the fact that you believe one and not the other makes no difference at all.

But here you go...a tea bagger telling you why they protest...that makes it the truth...and justifies what they do.

No.

Sale.

If Maduro can fix the problems I've outlined, he'll be a hero. If he can't, he'll be a goat.

Stop thinking in childish, binary terms.

And it is an act of violence not an accident.
And if someone would have been shot at OWS you would demand conclusive proof that it was TPTB that was behind it, and may have even suggested that they caused it thyself to gain support for the cause...but no evidence is required at all for you to declare Maduro behind the killings and tell us that this is the reason we should support the oppositon...and completely overlook the history of who was behind it the last time...and how they used it as an excuse for the military to depose Chavez.

Morality does not have two standards just one, is it right or is it wrong...and degree makes no difference.

There's been more demonstration in the last month in VZ than there ever was, sea to shining sea, by OWS. And no, camping doesn't count.

Get off the OWS bandwagon. It's just not an apt comparison.

They were peaceful and did not attack the cops and destroy property...so it don't count?
But they are bad and the ones that do the violence things are good?...and justified?

The comparison I am making is about the double standard.

Madem supports the overthrow of a democratically elected government.

And Madem supports using violence to do so.

I guess it's ok as long as it is somewhere else and Madem can just sit back and laugh at the deaths and injuries Madem supports.

Were this situation in the US, Madem would be banned from DU. But since it is in a country that his grandfather worked and made lots of money 'building Caracas', Madem is fine with the violence and destruction and overthrow of duly elected government.

You are morally correct. Madem is not.