Another (Ukraine) ultimatum: surrender by 16:00
Source: TIME
Commander of Ukraine's Belbek base just got a call from Russian counterpart. Another ultimatum: surrender by 16:00. This is the 3rd one
Simon Shuster = reporter for TIME magazine on location in Crimea
Read more: https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440727984140713984
0900 EST = 1600 EET (Eastern European Time, which is used in Odessa)
pinto
(106,886 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)06:14:
Russian troops taking part in military exercises near the Ukrainian border are ordered by President Putin to return to their bases, presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov is quoted as saying by Russian news agencies.
06:04:
Nadzhiye Femi, a Crimean journalist in Bakhchysarai, tells Ukraine's Espreso TV that life is quieter now and there are fewer cars on the streets. Some people are scared, but there's no mass evacuation of families. She adds that Crimean Tatars - some of whom remember the Stalinist deportations in the 1940s - feel that they are in danger.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26428296
steve2470
(37,457 posts)06:21: More on the statement by Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov that troops taking part in military exercises across western Russia are to return to base. He says the manoeuvres had been "a success". Moscow denies that they were linked to events in Ukraine, Reuters reports.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26428296
TheMightyFavog
(13,770 posts)Still not hoping too much.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Incredible. Half the Ukraine troops from Belbek base now marching to airstrip occupied by Russians. Unarmed. To take it back.
https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440733209694060544
steve2470
(37,457 posts)The column of troops, carrying the Ukraine and Soviet (!) flags, about to march on the Russian occupied airstrip. pic.twitter.com/prR9rfP7Fp
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It looks like they are at parade rest. Would be interesting to get confirmation on which flag that is for sure.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Ukraine column has reached Russian checkpoint. Russians begin firing in the air. Ukrainians keep marching
https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440740946993754112
steve2470
(37,457 posts)The red flag the Ukrainians marched with is the banner of the fighter pilots who fought Nazis in 1941 and guarded the Yalta Conference
https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440750786432479232
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)If they become hostages, then they will no doubt embolden other Ukrainians, if they are allowed to walk around unencumbered, then Putin's invasion will be unmasked as a threat with no backing to it. So he will be forced to start detaining them to make it look as if his newly acquired territory is itself being invaded by foreign elements.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Call Putin's bluff and see whether or not he backs down.
Cha
(297,339 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)ie, mass numbers of Ukrainians going to their respective bases to be armed and readied?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Russians call commander to negotiate. Troops have RPGs and machine guns trained on the column of unarmed Ukrainian soldiers. Belbek, Crimea
https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440742230853447680
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Live video stream of the ongoing standoff in Ukraine's Crimea Belbek base in Sevastopol http://www.atr.ua/pages/live.aspx /via @moneyries
https://twitter.com/patrickdehahn/status/440743850060304384
video stream here: http://www.atr.ua/pages/live.aspx
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Russians back down, allow 10 Ukraine soldiers to take up positions at occupied base, but still awaiting orders from Moscow
https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440744432124837888
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Face off between Ukraine base commander Col. Yuli Manchur and Russian officer at occupied Belbek airbase pic.twitter.com/6N10wuezef
wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)Thank you for your updates!
steve2470
(37,457 posts)This reporter has good info:
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/440747805725163520
steve2470
(37,457 posts)07:27: Pro-Russian troops who control the Belbek air base in Crimea fire warning shots into the air as around 300 Ukrainian soldiers, who previously manned the airfield, demanded their jobs back, AP reports. The Russian troops warned that they would shoot the Ukrainians if they continued to march toward them.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26428296
That is not good.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)About a dozen Russian soldiers at base stood guarding the airfield and warned the Ukrainians, who were marching unarmed, not to approach. They fired several warning shots into the air and said they would shoot the Ukrainians if they continued to march toward them.
The shots were the first fired since pro-Russian troops estimated by Ukrainian authorities to be 16,000 strong, tightened their grip on the Crimea Peninsula over the weekend.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/pro-russian-troops-fire-warning-shots-ukraine
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Talks with Russians failed. Ukrainian soldiers at Belbek prepare to march to their aircraft under threat of gunfire pic.twitter.com/KVpiGWAPB3
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/440755018342617088
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Wives of Ukrainian officers prepare to join the men marching on Belbek airbase pic.twitter.com/Z7J0FLELer
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/440756355579015168
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Personnel carrier just arrived, disgorging armed Russian troops at checkpoint. Ukraine commander just finished negotiating.
https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440756698824056833
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Ukraine commander demands to guard the base jointly with Russians, who pledge to give their commanders' response by 12:00, in 2 hours
https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440757682707103744
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)soldiers? It's regular working soldiers. And their wives?
Imagine that...
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)If you want a good laugh take a look at this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017178786
The lies that are spread through DU are just awful.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)Just ask Chile, Iran, Iraq, Panama, Argentina, Turkey, etc.....
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)You know what they say about assuming...
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ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)You seem to be pretty sure that that thread was full of "lies" without any facts to back that up. It's all up in the air at this point but you seem to have just as much of an agenda and as they do and just as much of an ideology to defend.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)There is no proof that the US did do it. Please prove to me it happened. I'll be over here waiting for your response, but I don't expect much. Typical DU.....
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)I never made the claim, nor do I believe it was an American led coup (then again, I don't know, and neither do you).
Quit your childish "typical du" bullshit and learn to communicate like an adult.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)You are the one who is acting uncivil. Maybe you need an attitude adjustment.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)Quit with the passive aggressiveness and address the people in that thread if their theory bothers you so much.
I never implied anything other than the fact that an American lead coup is just as plausible as an organic revolution.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)So, what is your real beef huh?
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)YOU accused people on this board of lying and you have yet to prove it. Instead of refuting them in that thread you go around making passive aggressive statements. If they're lying debate them and prove they are lying with facts. Simple as that.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)And I know exactly what you are talking about, so don't mince words with me. If people lie it is on them. If you want to stay there and support them, go ahead.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)And not just upsetting your jingoistic sensibilities.
I'll wait.
7962
(11,841 posts)While I'm sure official US interests in this case coincided with protesters', the new leaders are genuinely more liked in Ukraine, after what many felt was a betrayal by Yanukovich and his cronies.
I can claim this based on information from my wife's family, who lives in Kyiv.
7962
(11,841 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Nothing in that video is false.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Ukrainian soldiers in Belbek staying put but allowed to break ranks and smoke #Crimea #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/rSgDuj2Zk8
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/440763000036012032
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Ukrainian soldiers & wives discussing meaning of #Russia statement - units return to base. Does it mean also #Crimea? pic.twitter.com/HrONVqp6HT
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/440764637177708544
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Russian military truck just brought a handful of (probably Russian) news crews to the Belbek standoff. They're now filming from Russian side
https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440767861506977792
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Ukraine's 204th tactical aviation brigade when they just arrived to face down the Russians in Belbek: pic.twitter.com/Zz91TuJHXf
https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440769352582041600
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Group of Russian journalists at Belbek emerge from behind the Russian line, interview the soldiers and disappear #Ukraine #Crimea
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/440770113818882048
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Groups of pro #Russia Crimeans are coming to base to try & evict the Ukrainian soldiers. A platoon has been dispatched to guard perimeter
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/440772797150035968
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Anshel Pfeffer ?@AnshelPfeffer 1m
#Ukraine soldiers very anxious for camera crews to go and film Berkut attacking other side of base. Obvious we are being used here #Belbek
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Anshel Pfeffer ?@AnshelPfeffer 4m
Local Berkut seem to have attacked the administrative building at Belbek airbase #Crimea #Ukraine
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Marching along with the Ukraine brigade were the wives of four of the officers, all standing surrounded by Russian snipers at Belbek
https://twitter.com/shustry/status/440786269619384320
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Russian answer to Ukrainian demand for access to aircraft at Belbek airbase due in 5 minutes
https://twitter.com/AnshelPfeffer/status/440787736728182784