President Obama is complicit in suppressing the truth about CIA torture of prisoners. That's clear from the fact that the Senate intelligence committee's $40 million, 6,000-page torture report is still being suppressed 15 months after being adopted. It is made clearer still by a scathing letter that one member of the committee, Senator Mark Udall, sent the White House on Tuesday. Its claims are jaw-dropping.

Senator Udall wants the torture report released to the public as fully and quickly as possible. He is also interested in a separate CIA report about torture of prisoners.

His letter makes all of the following charges:

...they told us to ignore the voices!!!!

I wouldn't have expected anything else. Now let the investigation about the investigation of the investigation begin!

We are suppose to be a free country which means free from our government. Since 911 we have built up so many spy agencies and they all want the federal dollars so they can justify their existence, at what cost the cost of our freedom and liberties, they must be reigned in now not next year but now. My guess is that they will come up with a bunch of phony terror threats to take the eye's off of them, we can not fall for it.

My concern is the transition to a surveillance state is irreversible regardless of what Congress and the President do.

I fully expect the CIA and NSA actively monitor all of our elected officials to gather dirt on them. This dirt will be used against them should any real effort be made to rein them in, reduce their funding or eliminate them.

Further I expect the surveillance state would find its own source of funding whether it was from the illegal sales of arms to the drug and/or trafficking trade if it would allow them to continue to engage in spying on the world.

and it is very dismaying. No place is safe anymore.

"the computers were provided to senate aides in a secure room in Langley facilities for the review of classified documents". Secure, right! free and open democracy? Never has been, never will be. What a joke.

withholding information about the tactics from the Bush administration....tactics many consider torture"


What a load. Huge crock of bovine caca.

Anyway...back to the subject. (Snort)

I'm sure there's a memo somewhere, written by some lawyer, that says the CIA can spy on CIA computers at CIA HQ even when used by Senate aides, as long as it is done in good faith.

Really? Some fool (or fools) thought the CIA wouldn't spy on their own computers containing "classified" documents?


And they gave assurances ("agreement&quot they wouldn't monitor their own computers? LMAO

Am I supposed to be outraged by that? Oh, I'm outraged by the whole torture program and the lack of accountability and prosecutions - but I'm not so stupid as to think the CIA wouldn't monitor their own computers in an "investigation" of their actions. (which they'll never be held accountable for)

There are several things in the 2nd article to further cause disdain and disgust over the U.S government's torture program and bullshit after-action review (because that's all it amounts to) - but that the CIA would monitor their own computers isn't one.

That anyone would believe they wouldn't monitor their own computers is laughable.

Gee, Mr CIA man, can I use your computers to look at your documents inside your headquarters? But you gotta promise not to watch!

Yeah, OK.

Your computers will contain a complete list of all actions undertaken...

How gullible are we to believe the Senate and Americans are? SOME actually think.

is imprinted with the word "Assurances" on every piece?

And, they will be happy to stonewall any nominal investigation by declaring all the evidence "state secrets."

True

Then they can spy on the committee investigating their spying on the committee investigating their spying!

-- Mal

Seems with the way some agencies work these days, much of congress may not even be allowed to know if it's illegal or not.

How do you know there's no secret National Security Letter that makes it legal

Didn't Senator Udall just lose a brother hiking in the woods?

in Wyoming (Keith Coffman 7-4-13 Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/04/us-usa-udall-missing-idUSBRE96302K20130704

Independence Day...

it's a scathing view of the CIA.

After reading it, when if first came out, I'm still of the belief that the CIA should be disbanded.

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"Wild Bill" Donovan should have never ever been allowed to start it. it was the "proto-neocons" and their insane red hunt that made the CIA.

and like most things that ruin society, it was born from the paranoid night terrors of the right wing.

Lawmakers who ok'd NSA spying now crying foul about CIA monitoring their activites
http://www.commondreams.org/node/103226

Obama knew CIA secretly monitored intelligence committee, senator claims (Spencer Ackerman 3-5-13 The Guardian)
White House declines to comment after Mark Udall says agency spied on staffers preparing scathing report into CIA torture after 9/11
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/obama-cia-senate-intelligence-committee-torture

An informed citizenry is a requirement of democracy-this is domestic PSYOPS and has been for decades

diligent and do not hesitate to work overtime.

K&R

By MARK MAZZETTI
MARCH 4, 2014

... according to one official interviewed in recent days, C.I.A. officers went as far as gaining access to computer networks used by the committee to carry out its investigation ...

The specifics of the inspector general’s investigation are unclear. But several officials interviewed in recent days — all of whom insisted on anonymity, citing a continuing inquiry — said it began after the C.I.A. took what Senator Mark Udall, Democrat of Colorado, on Tuesday called an “unprecedented action” against the committee.

The action, which Mr. Udall did not describe, took place after C.I.A. officials came to suspect that congressional staff members had gained unauthorized access to agency documents during the course of the Intelligence Committee’s years-long investigation into the detention and interrogation program.

It is not known what the agency’s inspector general, David B. Buckley, has found in the investigation or whether Mr. Buckley has referred any cases to the Justice Department for further investigation. Spokesmen for the agency and the Justice Department declined to comment ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/05/us/new-inquiry-into-cia-employees-amid-clashes-over-interrogation-program.html

By Jonathan S. Landay, Ali Watkins and Marisa Taylor
McClatchy Washington Bureau
March 4, 2014 Updated 20 hours ago

... In question now is whether any part of the committee’s report, which took some four years to compose and cost $40 million, will ever see the light of day.

The report details how the CIA misled the Bush administration and Congress about the use of interrogation techniques that many experts consider torture, according to public statements by committee members. It also shows, members have said, how the techniques didn’t provide the intelligence that led the CIA to the hideout in Pakistan where Osama bin Laden was killed in a 2011 raid by Navy SEALs.

The committee determined earlier this year that the CIA monitored computers – in possible violation of an agreement against doing so – that the agency had provided to intelligence committee staff in a secure room at CIA headquarters that the agency insisted they use to review millions of pages of top-secret reports, cables and other documents, according to people with knowledge ...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/03/04/220161/cia-monitoring-of-senate-computers.html

I have resisted this idea as extremist-crazy, but spying on the democratic institutions is a major criterion of a totalitarian police-state.

for possible prosecution

Good links.

Then they reported it. Hardly responsible behavior, is it?

The ACLU attorney interviewed here raises the possibility.

... the "cone of silence"