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okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:11 PM Mar 2014

Ukraine crisis: Crimea military base stand-off 'ends'

Source: BBC

Pro-Russian soldiers are reported to have stormed a Ukrainian military base outside the Crimean city of Sevastopol, before withdrawing soon afterwards.

A BBC correspondent saw two lorries from Russia's Black Sea Fleet outside the gates, surrounded by armed men.

But no shots are believed to have been fired, and the assailants and lorries reportedly left after "negotiations"

SNIP

There were two military lorries with Russian number plates outside the gates, surrounded by irregular soldiers and a very hostile crowd of pro-Russian demonstrators, our correspondent adds.

Two journalists who attempted to take photographs were beaten badly.

Later, a Ukrainian officer told a Daily Telegraph journalist that the stand-off had ended after the "talks", and that the Russian lorries and about 30 to 60 Russians troops had withdrawn.

Continued at Link

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26492053

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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
2. It is the last thing the Russians want. There are too many here in the West that
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:54 PM
Mar 2014

desire such an outcome, however.

Be afraid of that which you wish.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. Disagree, the Russian politicans want
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 07:58 PM
Mar 2014

confrontation. Neo doo doo heads herein the USA also want a bloody outcome.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
4. From reading things around this joint, seems as though we have some
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:00 PM
Mar 2014

"Neo doo doo heads" herein right here amongst us.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. That's awfully naive. Ukraine fires one shot, and the Russians pour troops across the border
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:03 PM
Mar 2014

between Crimea and the rest of Ukraine.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,318 posts)
7. So the Russian soldiers did this to show they can vandalise Ukraine with impunity?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:13 PM
Mar 2014

It shows that Putin has a bunch of thugs working for him.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
8. No, they did this to protect the Russian citizens that were soon to be invaded
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:20 PM
Mar 2014

by the hoards of neo-nazi, nationalists that were en-route from Ukraine.

You should have started paying attention to this situation about 3 weeks ago.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,318 posts)
10. Can I check whether that is a serious remark?
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:24 PM
Mar 2014

There have been some DUers that have gone that far, and so it's hard to tell satire from sincerity.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,318 posts)
12. How does marching into a Ukrainian base, and standing by while journalists are beaten up
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:51 PM
Mar 2014

help defend Crimea from "hoards of neo-nazi, nationalists that were en-route from Ukraine"? Your hordes are imaginary. What Russian citizens? Crimea is part of Ukraine, not Russia. If the Russian troops wanted to defend Russian citizens, they should be in Russia, where the citizens are. And you don't protect anyone by beating up journalists. Yours is one of the most bizarre claims I've seen from a long-term DUer - on any subject.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
15. You need to watch more than just one channel for your "faux knews". Obviously we shall never
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:20 AM
Mar 2014

be in agreement if you don't care to review the build-up to the Kiev coup d'éta.

As far as the "Yours is one of the most bizarre claims I've seen from a long-term DUer - on any subject. "...

Right back at you. I'm appalled and saddened by those just drooling to go to war the Russia over a piece of land we have no interest in.


christx30

(6,241 posts)
9. The questions I have is:
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 08:21 PM
Mar 2014

what would happen if there was an attempt to arrest these invaders for trespassing? Don't shoot them. Would that be an act of war greater than blowing past a barricade and invading a military base. Any reasonable person would expect to be arrested if they did that. Crimea is still under Ukraine jurisdiction until and unless the referendum goes through. They have the right to have military bases there.

Igel

(35,309 posts)
14. It's a giant jurisdictional mess.
Fri Mar 7, 2014, 09:35 PM
Mar 2014

So Sebastopol announced elections on 3/17 or 3/18. I forget the precise date.

Then the city council voted unilaterally to join Russia.

The Ukrainian court in Kiev ruled the city council out of line. No enforcement mechanism, does anybody care?


Aksyonov and his group declared that Ukrainian troops in the Crimea are "occupiers." Does that make them occupiers? If so, then they're squatters, an invading force and should be driven out. If not, then this was an assault by fascist invaders on a Ukrainian military base.


Or perhaps Aksyonov has no legitimacy? After all, the "not quite Russians" moved in, parliament met, and a couple of hours later a minor politician in a mostly ignored political party suddenly was appointed in charge. The only thing that seems to matter was the close alignment between the troops' and Aksyonov's views--that his political platform was precisely reunification with Russia, while pro-Russian troops were outside the room. Pacificistically holding assault rifles.




Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,986 posts)
16. Uh huh
Sat Mar 8, 2014, 01:43 AM
Mar 2014
Meanwhile, Russia's state-owned energy company, Gazprom, warned Ukraine that its gas supply might be cut off unless its $1.89bn (£1.13bn) of debts were cleared.

There's a little problem. Those same pipelines supply the rest of Europe. Russia gets some serious currency from this. Could be interesting.
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