Only if they write a song about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst-Wessel-Lied

Stay classy.

William Wallace is an example too.

The opposition protesters are a bunch of "nazis", "fascists" and "rats", just like the Venezuelan government describes them. And the party militias sure know how to deal with that de-humanized scum.

It's interesting to see the fascination that extremes have for each other...

Kinda like here.

I expect you not to cheer the murder of a protesting student. I expect you not to compare the victim of such a murder to a Nazis. I expect you to understand that, political affiliation notwithstanding , students being gunned down in the street is horrific crime deserving criticism.

Essentially, I expect you to demonstrate that you possess an ounce of human decency.

I hope I do not expect too much.

Then I cited historical precedent.

One that became a National Anthem.

Then told the OP how THAT would be worse.

Then of course everybody rushes in to,.....uh,.....make him a martyr.

I'm a very left wing person, but I still understand that people that are on opposing sides of the political spectrum are living, breathing human beings with hopes fear and dreams. That the murder of anyone over a political cause is a great crime that deserved to be criticized.

I'm done wasting my time here and frankly I'm disgusted. This has been a most profound demonstration that extreme ideology on either side is a dehumanizing and corrosive force.

Have a nice life.

This wasn't like in The Godfather II where they're kicking in a bedroom door and machine gunning a bed.

The GOAL was not to kill.

This wasn't like the Tea Party protests here where a handful of idiots got to rant and rave.

This was a case where they WANTED the police to use force.



"Help! Help! I'm being REPRESSED! Come and see the violence inherit in the system! You saw him repressing me, right?"

Just how low are you willing to sink to defend this?

THIS is a joke:

The dumbass students aren't nazi fascists, fuck.

These are the ones who lived in gated communities and didn't care if some village in the jungle had no school. Why would they? THOSE PEOPLE in that jungle were NEVER going to be ALLOWED to move out of their economic class so educating them is a waste of money.

As far as medicine. The attitude by the rich towards the poor is there are too many of them and they're better off dead anyway so that's a waste of money too.

It's like here on steroids.

Soon there will be a majority of "oligarchs".

Venezuela is a unique and strange country for narrow-minded norteños.

"Those people in the jungle..."


Please stay the way you are, it's important for the coming generations.

Then there's Dura, but that's a risky thing to mention.

They believe Obama had him killed.

I'm not kidding.

They believe it.

but I LOL'd anyway.

I feel sorry for the student, because he died needlessly, for a cause that is fucking bullshit.

but sorry... how reassuring!

by supporting them; I won't pretend to be insulted by your faux outrage.

I could accuse you of anything that crosses my mind too.

If you're not the biggest liar in this thread, show one proof of what you're claiming.

of assassins. You support them. Like I said, I am not impressed by your faux outrage.

You can tell who a person is by the company they keep.

1. I don't support Capriles or Briquet. Actually I quite dislike them both. Again, if you're not lying, show it! You have the google site search which is very easy to use.

2. I haven't seen or heard about any "death squads" organized by Capriles or Briquet. There have been traps put by violent anti-chavista protesters that have killed people but Capriles doesn't support guarimbas, quite the contrary. The radical opposition hates him for that. The same way they called him a "traitor" and a "disguised chavista" when he canceled the big protest against the election result that was scheduled on April 17.

Do you have something to back your claim of Capriles organizing death squads or are you making up that too?


OTOH, we all have seen how PSUV irregular militias crack down on protests. They've killed plenty in a month.

Daniel Tinoco, the student that some abject people are calling a nazi in this thread, is one more victim. Murdered because he was protesting.

I don't think anyone called him a Nazi.

Disgusting...

What do you know about Daniel Tinoco?

funny. Get over it.

I don't know anything about Daniel Tinoco except this - he and the rest of the students are/were driven by right wing interests from Venezuela's former elite. He is now being used as a martyr by the right wing. That's what I know about him.

BTW: Supposed they DID get back into power.

What are the odds that they will do the typical Right Wing thing and have everyone in the other party arrested for treason or at LEAST declare all other political parties illegal?

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that allow him to enact law without congress so the odds are that he will be the one that will "have everyone in the other party arrested for treason or at LEAST declare all other political parties illegal."

It is not like he has a workable solution to the economic mess he created - things will get worse until a state of emergency is declared. He certainly can't risk actual elections.

His successor not so much. How do you think the government is going to be able to provide those dollars the economy desperately needs?

THEY didn't devalue their currency.

Those outside did because they want the movement to fail.

We are talking about the shortage of dollars in VZ.

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oil is their biggest source of dollars and the price of oil has not dropped that much so how can they be getting fewer dollars? Is it because oil production has been dropping? You are not making much sense here.

which was when they instituted strict currency controls. That is your first hint that it is not some international conspiracy but rather the result of their own policies.

The reason VZ is hemorrhaging dollars is simple - the people are desperately looking for a means to protect their money from inflation. Converting bolivars to dollars ensures that their money does not lose it's value at the rate of 50% a year. Basic economics. This dollar shortage and strict limits on who can buy dollars is impoverishing the average Venezuelan - they know it and they are pissed.

The VZ government does not have enough dollars. Why is it do hard to admit?

Like they're oil isn't selling.

And don't say, "It's not enough".

Frankly. This reminds me of the way Wall Street claimed Japan was in total collapse in the 90s.

Why the need for a two tiered exchange system? You are ignoring facts right in front of your face - everyone in VZ is complaining because they can't buy dollars. Why is that?

It's only for imports and limited to non-essential goods.

can you answer the question please?

The free market makes them a lot of money. What do you think funds all those social programs?

It isn't the generosity of Big Oil.

VZ is the world's 5th oil producing company. They are a member of OPEC. PDVSA is Latin America's third-largest company with holding in many countries.

the free market you says sucks. The free market they cannot survive without. My only point.

The revenue they need to pay for social services. The revenue a healthy economy produces via business taxes. Plus of course all the oil revenue from the global oil market.

The state has to make money to take care of the public.

Their domestic economy depends on imports.

The whole source of the disapproval here is they have no need for us.

And that's another reason why they are considered a "threat".

We have told all of these countries that they NEED us and if one realizes they're better off on their own they might ALL try it and suddenly the US loses it's seat at the head of the table.

Nor can it make a quick buck.

we buy $15 billion in goods from them every year. China is a distant second at $7 billion.

They cannot replace us as a trading partner - for one thing there are few refineries in the world other than in America that are able to refine the extra heavy crude oil that VZ produces.

It wasn't HERE:

yes the money should have gone there. It should still go there. But we are talking about how VZ economy is going down the tubes. If they don't fix it soon, there will even less money going to places that desperately need it.

You can't compare this situation with something you know from you own experience if you haven't been in an economy that applies exchange controls of this kind.

I suggest you try to understand the situation before making yourself an opinion.

I think you're trying to point out the differential between official/ black market ex. rate, right?

They get dollars at the very low official ex. rate in the state agency and then they sell them 10 times their price in the street. But you obviously have to be in the government or very close to the regime in order to have access to the scheme.

I suppose you're trying to describe Argentina's situation in the late 90's?

This has nothing in common. In Venezuela, the official exchange rate is fixed but you have no access to that rate unless the state authorizes you. Otherwise, capital flight would empty the Central Bank reserves in a month.

More than half of the public resources come from oil exports. These resources are in USD. When the govt devalues the currency, the ideas is to lower the real value of public spending ~ they increase their dollars' internal purchasing power for a while. Problem is this release is very short-term because the country imports the 3/4 of what people eat and imports are in dollars. Thus, inflation quickly compensates the effect of the devaluation. That's what Venezuela's been doing since 1983 and that's how the bolivar went from 4.3 (1983) to 575 (1999) to 80,000 (2014).

Things that go into pots and pans are excluded so the Brooks Brothers Riot is a joke.

Daddy couldn't get Jr a Caddie. Boo Hoo.

And just for your info, I teach economics in the university.

What is your point? Do you have one?

Sorry...

And I agree with you on that last post. We do better without you skimming from us.

What's the mysterious connection between multiple exchange rates applied by the Venezuelan govt and the US interference in Venezuela?

Care to explain or were your words running a bit faster than your mind?