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okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:28 PM Mar 2014

Ukraine forms new defense force, seeks Western help

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Ukraine's interim leaders established a new National Guard on Tuesday and appealed to the United States and Britain for assistance against what they called Russian aggression in Crimea under a post-Cold War treaty.

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Acting Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk, who will visit the White House and United Nations Security Council this week, said a 1994 treaty under which Ukraine agreed to give up its Soviet nuclear weapons obliged Russia to remove troops from Crimea and also obliged Western powers to defend Ukraine's sovereignty.

He said a failure to protect Ukraine would undermine efforts to persuade Iran or North Korea to forswear nuclear weapons as Kiev did 20 years ago. The terms of the Budapest Memorandum oblige Russia, Britain and the United States as guarantors to seek U.N. help for Ukraine if it faces attack by nuclear weapons.

DISARMAMENT PACT

Parliament passed a resolution calling on the United States and Britain, co-signatories with Russia of that treaty to "fulfill their obligations ... and take all possible diplomatic, political, economic and military measures urgently to end the aggression and preserve the independence, sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine".

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA1Q1E820140311

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Ukraine forms new defense force, seeks Western help (Original Post) okaawhatever Mar 2014 OP
Acting PM Yatseniuk - "Give us money and weaponry or Iran and North Korea will get the bomb." rdharma Mar 2014 #1
Hmm...the agreement does say "military measures"... TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #2
Gee, funny how military aggression prompts this geek tragedy Mar 2014 #3
And therein lies the problem. Igel Mar 2014 #4
+1000 blackspade Mar 2014 #5
 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
1. Acting PM Yatseniuk - "Give us money and weaponry or Iran and North Korea will get the bomb."
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:36 PM
Mar 2014

Oh, brother!

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. Hmm...the agreement does say "military measures"...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:37 PM
Mar 2014

The most we could do would be to arm/equip them, and that wouldn't exactly serve to de-escalate the situation.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. Gee, funny how military aggression prompts this
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:40 PM
Mar 2014

kind of response. Best bet is to guarantee that neither NATO nor Russian troops set foot inside Ukraine.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
4. And therein lies the problem.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:57 PM
Mar 2014

NATO might be able to make the guarantee for NATO, but it could hardly make it for Russia without the implicit threat of force.

Russia already made the promise. Then it said that since there's no legitimate government, none of the promises can be valid. So they could move into the Crimea without breaking their promise. After all, it wasn't being governed by a legitimate government.

Of course, that means Donechchina isn't governed by a legitimate government. Nor is the Lvivshchina, for that matter.

It's really the same premise that Israel uses for the West Bank--there's no legitimate state there, so occupying it doesn't fall under the usual rules for occupation.

However, it also means--if you want to assume that this has to be carried through logically--that there is no valid, currently binding agreement under which the Russians could have military bases in the Crimea.

Makes Russia a bit tetchy when Ukraine stops admitting Russian nationals and turns them back at the border. On the one hand, the border police have some authority there; on the other hand, there's no authority vested in the border police. A further implication is there's no one for Russia to complain to, either. Hard to be consistent.


It's the basis for Aksenov declaring that all of the Ukrainian military assets on Crimean soil are under his control as the new commander of the Crimean military, and that he's in his rights to have taken steps (with allies) to block having any Ukrainian naval ships from leaving Crimean waters. They're his. Same for energy installations. They're also under his direct control. Hospitals? Yup. It's less the autonomous republic of Crimea that's being formed and more the autocratic state of Aksenovia.

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