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Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:55 PM Mar 2012

FEC: John Edwards campaign owes U.S. $2.1 million

Source: MSNBC

John Edwards’ defunct presidential campaign must repay the U.S. Treasury $2.1 million within 30 days, the Federal Election Commission said in a report released Friday.

The report says that in his pursuit of the 2008 campaign Democratic nomination, Edwards received a total of $ 12,882,878 in matching funds from the United States Treasury -- $2,136,507 more than his entitlement.

The commission rejected arguments made by Edwards’ lawyers who said that problems with the commission led to an incorrect finding on the amount of the entitlement.

"After careful consideration, the commission determines that none of these arguments has merit," the commissioners wrote in the document.
Lawyers for Edwards' campaign committee said they won't contest the commission's decision, according to a report on Philly.com.

Read more: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/17/10734140-fec-john-edwards-campaign-owes-us-21-million



Thats a great first step. Now how about some clawback for misuse of donor funds.
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FEC: John Edwards campaign owes U.S. $2.1 million (Original Post) Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 OP
He should also be forced to pay back the doctors who he sued and made his fortune off of. cbayer Mar 2012 #1
That's not the issue of the thread. FarPoint Mar 2012 #3
While I realize that is not the issue of this thread, I brought it up as just cbayer Mar 2012 #4
I myself support personal injury cases. FarPoint Mar 2012 #6
I do not want to hijack this thread, but will suggest that you take a look at some of his OB-GYN cbayer Mar 2012 #7
There's nothing wrong with amassing a fortune, as long as you do it legally, like he did. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #13
Please read cbayer Mar 2012 #14
Uh... Rob H. Mar 2012 #27
Well said! FarPoint Mar 2012 #24
Excellent post. The problem is Alameda Mar 2012 #25
No, he should pay ME for the hundreds I donated to a bogus campaign. n/t Inspired Mar 2012 #11
Of course, it's all about you? Get over it. Alameda Mar 2012 #26
My post was in jest, OK? Inspired Mar 2012 #29
pay it john. consider how it will poison the jury pool if you don't. Sigh. what a sad boy this is. roguevalley Mar 2012 #15
When I read about this, one thought comes to mind... Cooley Hurd Mar 2012 #2
No wonder he wanted to be Attorney General. denem Mar 2012 #5
In this entire Democratic thread, there isn't one voice that suspects Edwards was framed? Brettongarcia Mar 2012 #8
His own campaign attorneys are not contesting the FEC on this. Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #9
considering he's not contesting the findings, I doubt he was framed.n/t maddezmom Mar 2012 #10
It is rare day to find an Edwards defender here. n/t Inspired Mar 2012 #12
How the times do change. harmonicon Mar 2012 #20
Well I fell for it. Inspired Mar 2012 #28
Not me. He brought this crap on himself. nt MADem Mar 2012 #19
imagine the misery that could've been spared if this woman had used birth control. Liberty Belle Mar 2012 #16
I think she knew what she was doing. She wasn't a victim. She was a willing participant who sought MADem Mar 2012 #18
I hope it was worth it, Johnny. MADem Mar 2012 #17
A coworker of mine ordered $1,200 in merchandise from the campaign store Ruby the Liberal Mar 2012 #21
She should take his ass to Judge Judy's court! MADem Mar 2012 #22
Wonder if Newt will owe a payback? dixiegrrrrl Mar 2012 #23
Can we get the courts to pay for the millions pitiful perry stole from the Texas tax payers to efhmc Mar 2012 #30

FarPoint

(12,368 posts)
3. That's not the issue of the thread.
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:04 PM
Mar 2012

That said...Edwards certainly was arrogant and assuming during his campaign days. We got duped for sure. Time for Edwards to return the money.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. While I realize that is not the issue of this thread, I brought it up as just
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:06 PM
Mar 2012

another way that Edwards used and abused a system to amass a personal fortune.

FarPoint

(12,368 posts)
6. I myself support personal injury cases.
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:26 PM
Mar 2012

Personal injury attorneys provide a valuable service for the victims and little guy who has suffered. This issue is one of John Edwards strengths.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
7. I do not want to hijack this thread, but will suggest that you take a look at some of his OB-GYN
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:31 PM
Mar 2012

cases.

His ability to abuse a system for personal gain knows no bounds (or ethics).

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. There's nothing wrong with amassing a fortune, as long as you do it legally, like he did.
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 04:40 PM
Mar 2012

No one gave it to him. He earned it.

And what makes you think the health care providers shouldn't have been found negligent? A jury determined that, not Edwards. Are you saying you are not in favor of a jury system?

I work in the legal profession, on the defense side. i've seen and read about horrendous cases. Believe you me, there are cases that warrant a finding of negligence on the part of care providers. Remember the man in Florida a decade ago who had a foot amputated? He was supposed to have a foot amputated, but the doctor and hospital amputated teh wrong foot. That's bad enough, but then the man had to have another surgery to have the other foot amputated. You can imagine how severely that would impact your life. You should have at least one foot to get around on. But you would, because of someone's negligence, have no feet to get around on.

Malpractice and negligence happen. When it does, they should pay for their negligence. Otherwise, there would be reason for them not to be negligent. There is no "making someone whole," once a care provider screws up.

People are often anti-personal injury lawsuit, until something happens to them or someone they love.

Big Republican Jim Baker. Friend of the Bush's. Owner of a big law firm. One can assume he was pro tort reform. But he sure as shootin' sued people when his grandaughter died from her hair getting caught in a pool drain. Did you know that a number of children have been killed like that? The problem is apparently location of the drain; it should be higher up. Second is the force of the sucking action; it's not to be so strong that a child can't break free. One child died when his rear end got sucked to a drain. It sucked some of his innards out through his anus. I worked on a case where a girl drown when her hair got caught in a pool drain. It was such a sad story. Her younger sister tried to help and finally ran inside to get scissors, but when she got back with the scissors, her sister wasn't moving anymore. The drain was too low for the girl to get air while trapped by the drain. (Well, it's not a drain...it's that sucking thing on the sides of pools.)

As for the elderly lady hot coffee case, you should read up on that sometime. Once you know the facts of the case, you'll see why the jury did what it did. I would have awarded the plaintiff big time, too. McDonald's had over 700 people seriously burned by their coffee, but they paid $ to those people and kept the coffee the same temperature. Until this large jury award. Finally, McDonald's turned the temp down. That's what it took to get them to act reasonably and stop hurting people. The woman in this case who was injured was seriously burned, requiring several surgeries. She was permanently scarred and had suffered quite a lot (you've heard of how awful burn injuries are? And how terrible the treatment is?)

I'm no Edwards fan. But as for what he did for a living, he performed a worthwhile service and was apparently very good at it. He earned every dollar he got. He also had invested quite a lot of money in getting the education to become a lawyer, as well as untold hours studying to get good grades and pass the bar.

I say these things, even tho I make my living helping to defend against plaintiff lawyers. But truth is truth. The REAL reason the courts are clogged are BUSINESS lawsuits. They sue each other back and forth daily. They refuse to settle, they bicker, they have pissin' contests, the drag the lawsuits out for years. They want to win at all costs and are willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars doing that. But that's the clients. The lawyers are just performing a service, just like an auto repairman. They work for their money. And it's a very hard job.

Rob H.

(5,351 posts)
27. Uh...
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:37 AM
Mar 2012

You may want to consider the source on that--the original article appeared during the 2004 campaign in The Washington Times, a well-known right-wing paper that went on to endorse Dubya two months later.

Alameda

(1,895 posts)
25. Excellent post. The problem is
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 06:07 PM
Mar 2012

more about the looking for loopholes rather than going to the "spirit of the law", hence we have absurd rulings like "Corporate Person-hood"

Alameda

(1,895 posts)
26. Of course, it's all about you? Get over it.
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 06:09 PM
Mar 2012

FWIW I donated too and am annoyed he was so arrogant and STUPID...but he was. Let's move on.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
15. pay it john. consider how it will poison the jury pool if you don't. Sigh. what a sad boy this is.
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 04:52 PM
Mar 2012

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
8. In this entire Democratic thread, there isn't one voice that suspects Edwards was framed?
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:43 PM
Mar 2012

Nobody likes a loser I guess.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
9. His own campaign attorneys are not contesting the FEC on this.
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:46 PM
Mar 2012

I'm thinking if they don't see a frame, it is best left to conspiracy theories.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
20. How the times do change.
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:15 PM
Mar 2012

I remember having some of my first posts deleted and/or harshly ridiculed when I joined up here around 2007, for calling Edwards a slime-ball, bigot, etc. That snake oil he was selling really worked wonders for awhile.

Inspired

(3,957 posts)
28. Well I fell for it.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 09:04 AM
Mar 2012

And I probably didn't appreciate being called out as a fool for thinking this guy was authentic. But I can see clearly now that I was.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
16. imagine the misery that could've been spared if this woman had used birth control.
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:03 PM
Mar 2012

How many Republican mistresses will get knocked up if the GOP manages to outlaw birth control access?

Not justifying anything these two did, but how many more sad scenarios like this might there be if women can't get birth control anymore?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. I think she knew what she was doing. She wasn't a victim. She was a willing participant who sought
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:13 PM
Mar 2012

him out. It was one con artist conning another.

She also admitted to "Oprah!" that she didn't use BC: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/rielle-hunter-tells-oprah-elizabeth-edwards-was-blindsided-by-affair-2010294

He was a jerk who took the bait, and tossed his marriage in the gutter for a foolish middle-aged fling.

The ones who are left to pay are the children.

If he'd said "Thank you for your kind words" and kept moving when Rielle Hunter AKA Lisa Druck started flirting with him, he wouldn't be in this mess.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. I hope it was worth it, Johnny.
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:06 PM
Mar 2012

All that money from all those "little people" who believed his talky-talk. He wouldn't have been able to get any funds to match at all if he hadn't bullshitted all those working stiffs into believing that he cared about them.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
21. A coworker of mine ordered $1,200 in merchandise from the campaign store
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:23 PM
Mar 2012

the weekend before he dropped out. It was late January and she got her tax return back early.

Never received so much as a t-shirt (much less a refund).

She is still pissed about it - and I don't blame her.

I didn't like that smarmy SOB in 2004 and he couldn't leave the race early enough for me in 2008, but even I didn't imagine back then that it was going to be as bad as it all ended up.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. She should take his ass to Judge Judy's court!
Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:31 PM
Mar 2012

I'd sue--might as well. Small claims, no need for a lawyer. If she has her receipts, she can get a judgment.

What a sleazebag.

I always thought there was something not-quite-right with him; I always tamped that feeling down because back then I thought I was in the grip of my own prejudices or something. Turns out I had better instincts than I gave myself credit for.

efhmc

(14,726 posts)
30. Can we get the courts to pay for the millions pitiful perry stole from the Texas tax payers to
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:38 PM
Mar 2012

run for pres.? Not only pay for the cost of security but also for not doing the job we were paying him to do. (Wait, I'm thinking we should delete that last part as a nice bonus.)

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