Up yours!

This Cold War redux bullshit has just gotten fuckin silly!

It may be that that person is not referring to the media source.

This OP contains nothing but text directly quoted from the above named News Service. Which fact is beside the point anyway, as I think we both know perfectly well to whom Mr. ColesCounty was actually referring, right?

I don't know where you got the idea they were speaking about Reuters. Nobody but you seems to have gotten that impression.

Perhaps Mr. ColesCounty will eventually speak for himself on that matter?

That is actually what I was expecting you would admit to.

How so? Your cryptic insult specified no single target.

You have deliberately chosen to perpetuate this ridiculously petty argument, and I am choosing to end it.

Good day.

Insults are just pointless nonsense.

How is the reference unclear?

WOW!!!

are acting like school boys.

If you don't want your neighbors joining an alliance because they feel threatened by you, it might be a good idea to not invade one of them every couple of years.

We and our NATO allies took over the rest of Ukraine. Our now pointing a finger at Russian "aggression" is laughable.

and I am assuming, just like Russia in the Crimea, they entered without the permission of the Ukrainian government?

The things I learn on DU.

He has an unusual definition of 'keeping an open mind', which seems to be 'believe whatever line is promulgated by the Russian government'....

May not be correct news, but still something for you to read!

a democratically elected government by force to install a fascist/neonazi government of our liking.

besides RT "news reports" that is.

and US embassy distributing cookies on the Maidan to the fascists-neonazis is proof enough.

in a sovereign nation's internal affairs by aiding and abetting violent protesters unless there were orders from the highest level?

Have been assets of the CIA for more than 50 years.

Nuland (a former Cheney aide, no less) stating the US had spent five billion USD on "democratizing" Ukraine AND John "Insane" McCain appearing on stage with the opposition.

Nothing to see there...

and I have followed and read on this extensively, I would say it was a State Dept engineered coup. Not that DoS and CIA lines don't blur. They do.

I wonder how the US would react if Russia engineered coups in Canada and Mexico and installed hostile regimes that expressed extreme hatred toward Americans. How would the US react if a prominent American politician suggested murdering Americans residing in Canada and Mexico and even mentioned nuking Americans.

Who needs troops when they can just install a hand-picked "technocrat" who will sell his country off to the international bankers? Sending troops would cost money (and might provoke dangerous reactions in some quarters). It's much safer to use double-dealing covert methods to achieve the same imperialistic results.

- and he was their ally.

If we hadn't contrived the overthrow of Yanukovich's government to begin with, Russia would have never begun doing what they have done. Actions, especially actions on the international stage, frequently have unexpected consequences.

Proof that they KNEW this is that they lied about their intentions (to take Crimea) for over a week, then lied about having forces there.

It is Russian propaganda that the US/EU created the protests. There was at least as much interference from Russia for them to reject moving to have ties with EU as well as Russia.

only brave Putin stands between them and death on a massive scale.

There is more than one way to incorporate an new country into one's Empire. This time we just used black operations people and "technocrat" bankers instead of Marines, that is all.

There has been no NATO invasion of Ukraine. That's a ridiculous statement.

But an imperialistic takeover of the Ukrainian government none the less. Western banking interests and Western governments are, after all, almost impossible to disentangle in today's World.

The reason Western interests are so widespread globally is that Western governments are pretty much the main economic powers in the world.

The reason most countries turn to Western economies instead of Russian ones is that Russia has very little to offer outside of gas, oil and vodka. And instead of tackling corruption and investing in their own economy to make themselves more appealing to other countries to work with, they pull the persecution card and throw their military weight around since it's about all they have left as nations pull away from their sphere of influence.

It's a much better place for billionaire mega-bankers and greedhead investors in things like energy corporations and munitions makers. It's much better for that tiny handful of the Earth's peoples, sure.

First they took TWO provinces from Georgia.

Now they're taking a province from Ukraine.

What exactly is your threshold for saying "maybe we should start getting a little worried?"

And "only..a single province"? If a foreign power took over your home state, would it be OK because the US has 49 other ones?

which we said would not expand after '91. Funny how no one talks about that anymore, oh but that's ancient history. Gotta keep the MIC fat and happy.

if NATO expands, it is because Russia scares the hell out of its neighbors and is not willing to do anything about it .

I'd love to ask some of these folks, what do you think would happen if we disbanded NATO? If we ignored requests for help from smaller countries? If we removed ALL of our military presence in Europe?
Although I DO believe we can reduce the number of bases overseas worldwide by a good bit. 1000 is way too many.

Do we not remember Germany and Japan in the late 30's and
early 40's. Taking over countries while the Europeans and
US watched and waited. Should Russia be allowed to do the
same?

If not, I assume you're planning to join up in time for the "big push?" Right?

are enlisted in the 81st chairborne ... pounding at their keyboards. If real war happened, they'd be ahead of Cheney in running away.

They'll fight to the last drop of some other guy's blood.

hahaha

and engineer the next "big putsch".

There's more than one way to build a Twenty-First Century Empire.

hook up with the local jihadists and start your little insurrection against Russia. Lead by example, chief.

A NATO presence in any country is iron-clad insurance against its being invaded by Russia; there are real grounds for concern over the prospect of a Russian incursion in several countries bordering Russia.

Russia does not have the power to compel any explanation, either from NATO or from any neighboring country co-operating with NATO, and very little looks more ridiculous than a grown man making a demand everyone knows he cannot enforce.

Personally I am no fan of the 'eastward ho!' policy NATO has taken over the last quarter century, but it does seem fairly popular where Russia, whether Czarist or Soviet, once ruled people who do not own themselves Russian....

All the talking heads are blathering away belligerently at the moment, I stopped listening some days ago. I have no wish to shut them up or refute their arguments. Just trying to keep it in the present and fend of the Nazi analogies now ubquitous from all and sundry.

I have been taking a bit of a break from it myself.

Things actually do seem to be calming down a bit....

And are largely impervious to argument for the moment.

But i expect it will run down and other crises will intervene, and so on. If fact that is so already. Too many crises to deal with any of them properly, as we speak.

And unfortunately this one will fester and blow up again in a while.

... Former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney voiced his support for an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear facilities over the weekend, during his closed-door keynote address at the Republican Jewish Coalition's annual spring meeting.

The gathering, attended by several possible Republican presidential candidates, including former Governor Jeb Bush and Governors Chris Christie, Scott Walker and John Kasich, was held at the Venetian hotel in Las Vegas, owned by casino magnate Sheldon Adelson.

In his speech, Cheney ridiculed U.S. President Barack Obama's foreign policy and dismissed ongoing negotiations between the P5+1 nations and Tehran over Iran's nuclear program...

/... http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.583323

You don't need to go back to the 1930s, just to the 1990s & 2000s.
If the world had said "No" to the empire builders, far more people would be
alive (mostly in the Middle East). Hypocrite.


> Taking over countries while the Europeans and US watched and waited.

The US didn't just "watch & wait", it actively profited from Hitler while
the Europeans were bleeding from his actions.

Keep your war-drums to yourself.

so much war material that we did not have enough planes for reconnaissance at Pearl Harbor and as a result, lost a huge percentage of our Pacific Fleet.

You are right that we did not have boots on the ground in Europe, but despite discussions
here on DU, we really sold very little to the Germans as compared what we sold to you, France and the other western allies.

To suggest otherwise is to warp history beyond all recognition.

Good day.

... and then lent/leased additional equipment above & beyond the sales when we were
finding demand outstripping our ability to pay on the nail but this bit ...

> so much war material that we did not have enough planes for reconnaissance
> at Pearl Harbor and as a result, lost a huge percentage of our Pacific Fleet.

... is pure bullshit.

I return your quote: "To suggest otherwise is to warp history beyond all recognition."

Good day.

that you simply cannot bear the fact that we actually did something right.

I cannot but assume that your hatred informs your entire personality.

I feel sorry for you.

Good bye.

On all counts.

Bye.

Lavrov can fuck off.

You want respect, try acting like human beings and not nazis.

Be more like us, if you're going to invade a sovereign nation, make sure you call them a "national security threat", that makes it a-okay.

Let me know when we annex Iraq before you make stupid comparisons. I'll give heat to the US when they deserve it but refuse to keep my mouth shut just because we're not perfect.

...we annexed their oil.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-war-oil-juhasz/

China got the oil. We didn't get a thing from Iraq other than dead people.

Sure the current oil fields are all auctioned off with only Exxon-Mobil getting one of them...but....

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/17/business/energy-environment/17oil.html?pagewanted=all

But American companies can, apparently, drill for the oil.

In fact, American drilling companies stand to make tens of billions of dollars from the new petroleum activity in Iraq long before any of the oil producers start seeing any returns on their investments.

Lukoil and many of the other international oil companies that won fields in the auction are now subcontracting mostly with the four largely American oil services companies that are global leaders in their field: Halliburton, Baker Hughes, Weatherford International and Schlumberger. Those four have won the largest portion of the subcontracts to drill for oil, build wells and refurbish old equipment.

After the invasion, Lukoil sensed that its best chances lay in working with the Americans. It formed a joint venture with the United States company ConocoPhillips, giving Conoco a small venture in the Russian Arctic and ceding it part of West Qurna 2.

By the time Lukoil was eventually compelled to bid again for the field at the 2009 auction, sentiment in both the United States and Iraqi governments seemed to have shifted to favoring non-American companies in awarding the main contracts. But one of Lukoil’s first steps after securing the West Qurna 2 deal was to subcontract the oil well refurbishment work to Baker Hughes.

It's a good reminder that US military excursions are for the benefit of multinationals, not "national security".

We refer you to the reply given in Arkell and Pressdram.

NATO would not move further east. That's a matter of fact.

Looks like both sides have issues with following the rules.

This is all nothing but the equivalent of color-coded security threat levels. Screams of Benghazi from one side, WWIII from the other, and the climate report is off the radar, and the NSA (the American SS) crimes are much closer to the edge of the radar.
MIC wins again.

duty 'fun' tearing up your invaded 'Crimea region'. better bring in barrels of vodka or you'll have a mutiny/defectors on your hands.

troops back (and not just a token 500 or so) from the Ukraine border and stops trying to menace and destabilize them, NATO might stand down a little. Russia broke an agreement with their Crimea takeover, now whining about NATO breaking agreements--pretty funny.

Pick a figure in miles.

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