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David__77

(23,402 posts)
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 02:52 PM Mar 2012

Russian Anti-Terror Troops Arrive in Syria

Source: ABC News

A Russian military unit has arrived in Syria, according to Russian news reports, a development that a United Nations Security Council source told ABC News was "a bomb" certain to have serious repercussions.

...

Now the Russian Black Sea fleet's Iman tanker has arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus on the Mediterranean Sea with an anti-terror squad from the Russian Marines aboard according to the Interfax news agency. The Assad government has insisted it is fighting a terrorist insurgency.

The Iman replaced another Russian ship "which had been sent to Syria for demonstrating (sic) the Russian presence in the turbulent region and possible evaluation of Russian citizens," the Black Sea Fleet told Interfax.

RIA Novosti, a news outlet with strong ties to the Kremlin, trumpeted the news in a banner headline that appeared only on its Arabic language website. The Russian embassy to the US and to the UN had no comment, saying they have "no particular information on" the arrival of a Russian anti-terrorism squad to Syria.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/russian-anti-terror-troops-arrive-syria/story?id=15954363#.T2eALHm4piN

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Russian Anti-Terror Troops Arrive in Syria (Original Post) David__77 Mar 2012 OP
This does not sound good at all lark Mar 2012 #1
It didnt look like ASSad needed help killing civilians. Muskypundit Mar 2012 #2
When it comes to killing civilians, the United States is right up there Hugabear Mar 2012 #3
So let the Syrians catch up with the US before registering condemnation????? marble falls Mar 2012 #4
Where did I say that? Hugabear Mar 2012 #5
I don't think anyone here is calling for military intervention ButterflyBlood Mar 2012 #8
I know I wasn't. marble falls Mar 2012 #10
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #15
I guess every death was calculated and instigated in the bowels of the Pentagon just like demosincebirth Mar 2012 #9
Why does everyone assume it is *not* a terrorist insurgency? ieoeja Mar 2012 #6
Easy .... Trajan Mar 2012 #12
and your assertion dipsydoodle Mar 2012 #13
Hard ieoeja Mar 2012 #14
Massive peaceful protests for many months against a dictator (whether in Syria, Chile or pampango Mar 2012 #16
60's protesters in the U.S. were accused of being directed by communists abroad pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #18
Targeted for political, race, class, gender, sexuality or any arbitrary thing--Deprivation of rights bobthedrummer Mar 2012 #21
Because Assad is indescrimenently killing residents in the areas he's operating in? marble falls Mar 2012 #20
Something a human rights group yesterday accused the rebels of also doing. ieoeja Mar 2012 #22
Is Syria unable to protect it's security apparatus on their own? jakeXT Mar 2012 #7
Spam deleted by Ian David (MIR Team) Soldat_Amir Mar 2012 #11
So Assad's called in the big guns from Russia, huh? agentS Mar 2012 #17
Have a horroshow Gog and Magog Wednesday yourselves Spetzboyz! bobthedrummer Mar 2012 #19
More likely that the troops are providing security for Russian diplomats. nt hack89 Mar 2012 #23

lark

(23,099 posts)
1. This does not sound good at all
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:27 PM
Mar 2012

Funny how Russia is now in the region and also ready to help Iran if Israel nukes it. This is getting scary, folks. I just hope & pray that Israel is talking big, but doesn't actually follow-thru. Don't trust Netanyahoo is act sane.

Muskypundit

(717 posts)
2. It didnt look like ASSad needed help killing civilians.
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:36 PM
Mar 2012

But then again, Russia is also very efficient on the subject too. It's not our problem now. Nothing we can or should do if the Russians are this intent on propping up a dictator.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
3. When it comes to killing civilians, the United States is right up there
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:43 PM
Mar 2012

Just look at how many civilians we've killed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
5. Where did I say that?
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 04:29 PM
Mar 2012

But realistically, what else can we do other than issue protest?

Should we get involved militarily? Should we risk starting a war with Russia?

Response to marble falls (Reply #4)

demosincebirth

(12,537 posts)
9. I guess every death was calculated and instigated in the bowels of the Pentagon just like
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:54 PM
Mar 2012

Al-Qaeda killing innocents in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
6. Why does everyone assume it is *not* a terrorist insurgency?
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 04:58 PM
Mar 2012

I remember when Assad's ascension was cheered by the West because of his public anti-terror stance. When Assad reversed his public stance shortly after taking command, there was a lot of talk that he really had no choice. Pundits said that a real break with the Palestinian and Hezzbolah terrorist organizations would result in civil war.

So ... why is everyone so convinced that *this* civil war is not exactly that? Why assume these terrorist organizations are not hiding behind the "revolutionary" movement?


 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
12. Easy ....
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:21 AM
Mar 2012

Because this movement occurred within the same historical frame as another well known movement known as the Arab Spring ...

With such a powerful groundswell of resolve displayed by millions upon millions of Arabs during this movement; Who are YOU to deny the implication that the Syrian peoples actions were not born of the same impulse ? ...

What evidence have YOU that the Syrian movement runs counter to the thrust of fellow Arabs in nearby states ?

Who are you to ascribe the actions of the Syrian opposition to some nefarious 'terrorist' organization ? .. Have you evidence to support this assertion ?

Your assertion is unfounded and unwarranted ...

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
14. Hard
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:21 AM
Mar 2012

Because this fight occurred in the same country that has feared a civil war with terrorists for decades ...

With such powerful groundswell of resolve displayed by decades upon decades of terrorist attacks; Who are YOU to deny the implication that the terrorists actions were not born of the same impulse ? ...

What evidence have YOU that the Syrian civil war runs counter to the thrust of terrorists in that state ?

Who are you to ascribe the actions of the Syrian opposition to some impulsive 'freedom' movement ? .. Have you evidence to support this assertion ?

Your assertion is unfounded and unwarranted.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
16. Massive peaceful protests for many months against a dictator (whether in Syria, Chile or
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:34 AM
Mar 2012

Belarus) should be viewed as a natural reaction to oppression. To view such protests as the result of "outside agitators" reminds me of the rhetoric of the 60's when conservatives contended that protests were not caused by genuine citizen discontent but the result of "outsiders" who had stirred up local people who otherwise were quite happy.

I dare say that any of us who lived under a dictatorship would join peaceful protestors in the street to rid ourselves of such oppression. The fact that dictators are able to suppress discontent for many years with security forces is not an indication that people are happy, just that they are scared.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
18. 60's protesters in the U.S. were accused of being directed by communists abroad
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:19 PM
Mar 2012

As an interesting footnote, it was those accusations that led, inadvertently, to the Yippie catchphrase, "Don't trust anyone over 30":

Credit where due. The phrasing "We don't trust anyone over thirty" came from Jack Weinberg, who was indeed among the leadership of the UC Berkeley Free Speech Movement. Jack was, in fact, the person arrested on Sproul Plaza for trespass on October 1, 1964, and the more or less spontaneous protest where we surrounded the police car in which he was held was the tipping-point event that led directly to all of the sit-ins and strike actions - and eventual victory - that followed.

The line was a throw-away intended as a dismissive to a reporter who was pestering Weinberg, trying to get him to confirm false rumors that the FSM was controlled by powerful Communists. The point was that the students were running things, young people, not a bunch of old men in the Kremlin, but an SF Chronicle reporter latched onto it and ran it as an attack on the American Establishment.

Other activists, including Jerry Rubin, Paul Krassner and Abbie Hoffman among many, in turn seized on it for just that purpose, using it repeatedly because it provoked such a virulent reaction by the Powerful. In that sense, I suppose, it could reasonably be called a "Yippie" catch-phrase.

Weinberg is, last I heard, still alive and still raising hell. Thanks be to him and to the new generation of "Robert Ericksons" for having the guts to stand up in person for truth and justice.

Posted by: Graham Firchlis | Nov 16, 2009 at 10:48 PM

http://www.bluestemprairie.com/bluestemprairie/2009/11/ruthiehendrycksfail.html




 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
21. Targeted for political, race, class, gender, sexuality or any arbitrary thing--Deprivation of rights
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:36 PM
Mar 2012

under color of law (USC 18 Chapter 13 Civil Rights 22)
That was the common offense-the deprivation of our rights by "our government"!!! Yep, I got "sweptup" by those domestic black operations that sought to "neutralize" all those names on LISTS drawn up by CRIMINAL TRAITORS to democracy and the Constitution of The United States of America. People like John Edgar HOOVER, Allen DULLES, President EISENHOWER, President TRUMAN, President KENNEDY, President JOHNSON, President NIXON, President FORD...and all those administrations since.
I'm 62 now, not 18.
I'm a WISCONSIN ACTIVIST who has suffered, along with loved ones, deprivation of rights under color of law, and a conspiracy from the 1960's that grew to a metaconspiracy-a politicized one.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
22. Something a human rights group yesterday accused the rebels of also doing.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 02:30 PM
Mar 2012

His predecessor and neighbors should have never locked the Palestinians into refugee camps and used them as pawns for decades. But they did. In Syria's case, the refugees and the Syrians have been threatening each other ever since.

It would seem that both sides have come to the same solution: eliminate the other.


jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
7. Is Syria unable to protect it's security apparatus on their own?
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:01 PM
Mar 2012

Syrian State TV reported two car bombing attacks on Air Force Intelligence and Security Police Headquarters killing at least 27 people and wounding 97 Saturday morning, March 17, accusing “terrorist gangs.”

http://www.debka.com/article/21835/

Response to David__77 (Original post)

agentS

(1,325 posts)
17. So Assad's called in the big guns from Russia, huh?
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:02 PM
Mar 2012

If the Russians help 'crush' the rebellion, it will certainly give Russia and the BRIC block a black eye in the Arab world. They are too reliant on the status quo, which won't last forever. Assad won't be around forever, either.

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