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MindMover

(5,016 posts)
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 03:09 PM Apr 2014

NSA Said to Have Used Heartbleed Bug, Exposing Consumers

Source: Bloomberg

The U.S. National Security Agency knew for at least two years about a flaw in the way that many websites send sensitive information, now dubbed the Heartbleed bug, and regularly used it to gather critical intelligence, two people familiar with the matter said.

The NSA’s decision to keep the bug secret in pursuit of national security interests threatens to renew the rancorous debate over the role of the government’s top computer experts.

Heartbleed appears to be one of the biggest glitches in the Internet’s history, a flaw in the basic security of as many as two-thirds of the world’s websites. Its discovery and the creation of a fix by researchers five days ago prompted consumers to change their passwords, the Canadian government to suspend electronic tax filing and computer companies including Cisco Systems Inc. to Juniper Networks Inc. to provide patches for their systems.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-11/nsa-said-to-have-used-heartbleed-bug-exposing-consumers.html



When the floodgates open, it must be the weekend ....
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NSA Said to Have Used Heartbleed Bug, Exposing Consumers (Original Post) MindMover Apr 2014 OP
Doesn't matter. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #1
Somehow has to do TDale313 Apr 2014 #3
I heard a rumor that he forgot his girlfriends birthday. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #5
His girlfriend the pole-dancer TDale313 Apr 2014 #6
Who needs a Bill of Rights if a whistleblower's girlfriend pole dances!? villager Apr 2014 #17
Debunked. Wrong. NSA didn't use it. uhnope Apr 2014 #59
A denial isn't a debunking. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #62
And if you can't trust christx30 Apr 2014 #64
Yeah.. sendero Apr 2014 #65
Lol. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2014 #67
Well, now there's a shocker. TDale313 Apr 2014 #2
This is, ironically, the downside to open source. eggplant Apr 2014 #23
Screwed either way, as RSA showed. Pholus Apr 2014 #25
touché. eggplant Apr 2014 #45
Same with my Ubuntu distribution... PosterChild Apr 2014 #57
And there may well be more such unknown bugs out there too. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #4
Are. Not may well be. Are. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #18
Just trying to be diplomatic, I'm quite sure there are too. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #21
This is all Snowden's fault. Life was so much better when we were ignorant and trusting. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #7
And many of us are trying to figure out what passwords to change.. KoKo Apr 2014 #8
The vulnerability is Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #66
Heartbleed was probably created by the NSA... n/t 2banon Apr 2014 #9
It's a real shame the NSA isn't in the executive branch. Shemp Howard Apr 2014 #11
old news. everyone knows the NSA has been using that exploit since Nixon. frylock Apr 2014 #10
Libertarians .... MindMover Apr 2014 #13
Your Koch graphic OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #24
err umm uhh Ralph Nader or something! frylock Apr 2014 #31
+1 dreamnightwind Apr 2014 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #30
That would be a pretty good trick since SSL wasn't even invented yet totodeinhere Apr 2014 #14
why do you love Putin? frylock Apr 2014 #15
Wow. Wouldn't have thought that post TDale313 Apr 2014 #27
some days it's not even worth getting out of bed to post snark frylock Apr 2014 #32
I posed this was how the NSA had access to FB chats. joshcryer Apr 2014 #37
Interesting, I wonder if there is anything in the Snowden documents about this. arcane1 Apr 2014 #12
If the NSA's job is to protect Americans, Maedhros Apr 2014 #16
I am reminded of George Carlin's 'They don't give a fuck about *you*' bit. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #19
Ahh, I miss George .... MindMover Apr 2014 #20
Only jail time will safeinOhio Apr 2014 #22
Jail time for... PosterChild Apr 2014 #58
Some people belong in jail over this. joshcryer Apr 2014 #38
The next time someone handwrings about "Comrade Eddie's" truthtelling... Pholus Apr 2014 #26
why did Bloomberg use the word "critical" to describe the intel? grasswire Apr 2014 #28
The judgement of the "two people familiar with the matter." Pholus Apr 2014 #29
I fault the editor here. grasswire Apr 2014 #33
A good point! Pholus Apr 2014 #53
Comrade Eddie and Smearmaster Greenwald are at it again MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #34
LOL... nt MindMover Apr 2014 #35
And a RACIST, too. OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #41
The NSA can not be said to protect the national interests. joshcryer Apr 2014 #36
When the NSA relies on zero day exploits Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #40
NSA denies it OKNancy Apr 2014 #42
Honestly BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #44
Is this another "least untruthful" statement though... Pholus Apr 2014 #55
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #43
NSA put 100s of millions of people at risk to protect their own interests. They would happily slit pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #46
The only source for this claim is apparently this very article, which cites itself: ucrdem Apr 2014 #47
Yes and I put NSA's denial on LBN ... MindMover Apr 2014 #48
Your posts are fine. I'm commenting on the article. ucrdem Apr 2014 #50
you can contact the writer directly grasswire Apr 2014 #51
Yes. Yes it does mean you heart the NSA. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #52
The ol' Friday news dump trick. blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #49
EXACTLY ... nt MindMover Apr 2014 #54
As I suspected. But the new one is safe from the NSA ...sssssure it is. L0oniX Apr 2014 #56
Debunked. Wrong. NSA didn't use it. uhnope Apr 2014 #60
I had there denial in LBN 4 hrs after I had this post in LBN .... MindMover Apr 2014 #61
They denied it. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #63
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
17. Who needs a Bill of Rights if a whistleblower's girlfriend pole dances!?
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 04:12 PM
Apr 2014

Get your priorities straight!

christx30

(6,241 posts)
64. And if you can't trust
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 05:34 AM
Apr 2014

something the NSA says, what can you trust? They'd NEVER lie about something like that, huh?

sendero

(28,552 posts)
65. Yeah..
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 08:11 AM
Apr 2014

... they wouldn't stand right in front of Congress and lie their ass off. You can trust these guys, they are the smartest in the room.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
2. Well, now there's a shocker.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 03:21 PM
Apr 2014

Or maybe not. Wouldn't surprise me a bit to learn this was being used by the national security apparatus as a back door. This shit is out of control.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
23. This is, ironically, the downside to open source.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 04:40 PM
Apr 2014

Anyone can contribute, and if the flaw is subtle enough, and the person submitting the code isn't obviously someone from the NSA, then no one is the wiser.

It would not surprise me in the slightest to find out that the flaw was contributed intentionally.

But my company got the last laugh -- the version of OpenSSL that we use is so old, it predates the flaw, so we're safe.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. This is all Snowden's fault. Life was so much better when we were ignorant and trusting.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 03:35 PM
Apr 2014

How do we get back to that bliss? Double martini dry and up plez.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
8. And many of us are trying to figure out what passwords to change..
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 03:36 PM
Apr 2014

Is it worth it since they already sucked everything up? What about our online forms like folks filling out forms for the ACA, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Banking, Taxes, Medical forms doctors all want us to fill out and send online.

Which is secure and which isn't. Does it matter at this point? Especially us non-tech people just don't know which is secure SSL and which is Open. Are Firefox and Thunderbird Vulnerable because they are Open Source? Should I switch back to Microsoft instead?

Anyway...this all is good news in a way if it keeps the NSA out of our privacy in the future.

And Thank yYou Edward Snowden..!

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
66. The vulnerability is
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 08:13 AM
Apr 2014

apparently in the server software, not your own machine (unless you serve up websites or other servers from your machine, such as a database, for instance). As such, it doesn't really matter if your machine (the 'client') uses linux, windows, or whatever.

I'd change passwords on major sites first, especially your email password, since most other sites send your change requests to the email address on file. Then I'd change credit card and banking site passwords, then bills you pay online.

But let's face it, bugs like this reveal the flaw in simply having to sign in with accounts at so many different websites - if you're like me, you've got all sorts of passwords on accounts on websites you may have used exactly once in your life, to order something online, including sites you to which you never plan to return, but offered you no ability to delete your account, or to set them to 'disable all logins on account'.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
11. It's a real shame the NSA isn't in the executive branch.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 03:51 PM
Apr 2014

Because if it was, the President could put an end to all NSA excesses with a pen and a phone call.

Oh...wait a minute. The NSA is in the executive branch. Bernie S., Dennis K., anybody, please help.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
10. old news. everyone knows the NSA has been using that exploit since Nixon.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 03:46 PM
Apr 2014

I don't recall Greenwald complaining about heartbleed when Bush was in office. something something libertarian derp.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
24. Your Koch graphic
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 05:01 PM
Apr 2014

doesn't show the money they gave to the DLC. I wonder why that is?

Koch Industries gave funding to the DLC and served on its Executive Council
http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

But, here’s a key piece of information: the Kochs haven’t just given to right-wingers. Back in April of 2001, The American Prospect’s Bob Dreyfuss reported that the Kochs also funded the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC):

And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLC’s executive council, including Aetna, AT&T;, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLC’s executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively–meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000.

The DLC board of trustees is an elite body whose membership is reserved for major donors, and many of the trustees are financial wheeler-dealers who run investment companies and capital management firms–though senior executives from a handful of corporations, such as Koch, Aetna, and Coca-Cola, are included.

...

Oh, well. Keep up the Greenwald/Snowden/libertarian/Koch guilty by association smear.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
31. err umm uhh Ralph Nader or something!
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 05:53 PM
Apr 2014

That's just a Very Sensible graphic. if the octopus had nine arms there may have been a space to include the Koch bros/DLC relationship.

Response to MindMover (Reply #13)

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
14. That would be a pretty good trick since SSL wasn't even invented yet
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 03:59 PM
Apr 2014

when Nixon was in office. Nice try though.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
27. Wow. Wouldn't have thought that post
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 05:20 PM
Apr 2014

Would need a sarcasm tag. The "something something libertarian derp" kinda made me think the poster was being sarcastic.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
37. I posed this was how the NSA had access to FB chats.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:38 PM
Apr 2014

Also suggested such a vulnerability existed months ago...

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
12. Interesting, I wonder if there is anything in the Snowden documents about this.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 03:52 PM
Apr 2014

We live in interesting times, that's for certain!

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
16. If the NSA's job is to protect Americans,
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 04:09 PM
Apr 2014

then when they found this bug two years ago they would have immediately alerted the affected site owners so that American citizens' data was protected.

They apparently did not, so that tells us a little bit about what the NSA's job isn't.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
26. The next time someone handwrings about "Comrade Eddie's" truthtelling...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 05:19 PM
Apr 2014

Remind them of how the NSA was all "Trust us, defense is our first priority" when it came to computer security.

I guess they worry about my defense pretty just like a Russian cybercriminal. It's an obstacle to overcome.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
28. why did Bloomberg use the word "critical" to describe the intel?
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 05:22 PM
Apr 2014

The word "critical " is a judgment here. Editorializing. Not objective. Not in quotes. Not attributed.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
29. The judgement of the "two people familiar with the matter."
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 05:25 PM
Apr 2014

I guess critical means something the NSA wants.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
33. I fault the editor here.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:16 PM
Apr 2014

It should have been written with this phrase: "...considered critical intelligence by those familiar with..."

It is not precisely written, if the meaning is what you assume it is.



Pholus

(4,062 posts)
53. A good point!
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:51 PM
Apr 2014

But I do figure that the word was chosen because the "off the record sources" chose it, not because it is necessarily and impartially true.
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
34. Comrade Eddie and Smearmaster Greenwald are at it again
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:17 PM
Apr 2014

Look people, none of this is true. If you believe anything in this post, or in any news media, then you're just a HATER and nobody can ever live up to your purity tests.

Regards,

TWM

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
40. When the NSA relies on zero day exploits
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 07:07 PM
Apr 2014

They build applications around them and have a strong incentive not to fix them or have the vendors fix them. That state of affairs puts us all at risk. Far from protecting the American public they are putting us further at risk.

BlindTiresias

(1,563 posts)
44. Honestly
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 07:37 PM
Apr 2014

I would trust the inside sources over the NSA spokesperson. Remember what the NSA was saying about the scope of the surveillance when the Snowden info was just coming out? Not a reputable organization.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
55. Is this another "least untruthful" statement though...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:06 PM
Apr 2014

That's the problem when your communications with even our elected representatives can be flat out lies. Nobody can trust a word you say.

Might be time to slash their budgets, so they can remember where their priorities should be.
 

pragmatic_dem

(410 posts)
46. NSA put 100s of millions of people at risk to protect their own interests. They would happily slit
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:05 PM
Apr 2014

our throats if they could do it to maintain their power and control.

You know, it's for our own security, of course.

Goddamn the NSA apologists.

In contrast, the NSA has more than 1,000 experts devoted to ferreting out such flaws using sophisticated analysis techniques, many of them classified. The agency found Heartbleed shortly after its introduction, according to one of the people familiar with the matter, and it became a basic part of the agency’s toolkit for stealing account passwords and other common tasks.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
47. The only source for this claim is apparently this very article, which cites itself:
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:10 PM
Apr 2014

From the OP article, which does identify or link to any earlier Bloomberg article:

The NSA said in response to a Bloomberg News article that it wasn’t aware of Heartbleed until the vulnerability was made public by a private security report. The agency’s reported decision to keep the bug secret in pursuit of national security interests threatens to renew the rancorous debate over the role of the government’s top computer experts.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-11/nsa-said-to-have-used-heartbleed-bug-exposing-consumers.html


Articles reporting same found via Google search all point to this same Bloombag whopper as a source.



Epic FUD fail, and no this doesn't mean I heart the NSA.

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
48. Yes and I put NSA's denial on LBN ...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:17 PM
Apr 2014

If Bloomberg is making it up, I think there could be legal consequences, so your assertion that it is false information is well lets just say, FUD fail, and I do not love anyone except myself first ...

I would look to the reporter for Bloomberg ... and make your claim that he/she is making this up ...

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
51. you can contact the writer directly
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:42 PM
Apr 2014

the information is at the bottom of the article.

Or maybe you already did that?

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
52. Yes. Yes it does mean you heart the NSA.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:48 PM
Apr 2014

...at least when considered in conjunction with your longstanding and full-throated defense of those criminal fucks.

MindMover

(5,016 posts)
61. I had there denial in LBN 4 hrs after I had this post in LBN ....
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 10:23 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014778294

and I do not believe anything until it is officially denied, especially from a spy agency ....

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
63. They denied it.
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 04:53 AM
Apr 2014

That means it didn't happen, what more do you need?


I mean, if I burn down a building and then deny that I started the fire, I technically didn't burn it down. It's called the transitive Snowdensian property.

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