Has the guy involved ever expressed even a single word of anti-black bias?

There is a high likelihood that that the murderer only shot him because of his irrational fear of black people. It would not be difficult to uncover this with a full investigation of this PoS's posting habits, visited sites, and whatever he has lying around his home.

I'd lay odds.

assumed to exist.

Why do you sound so confident in it then? This case seems to inspire an awful lot of jumping to conclusionbs.

there should be absolutely no investigation whatsoever to gather some fucking facts?

Based on his statements so far and the statements of witnesses (and the fact that the police told one of the witnesses what it was they heard, instead of taking the statement of that witness), it's cold blooded murder. You can lie to yourself til times get better, but that's exactly what this is.

If he hadn't been recorded on tape saying "these assholes always get away", then yeah, I wouldn't say hate crime. But he did.

I defiantly believe there should be an investigation, every possible murder should be investigated. It just seems clear to me people are jumping to conclusions before an investigation even really gets underway.

and no, I'm not going to do your research for you.

And that's the whole point, s0n: they wont' do an investigation. If they were to do one, what "you've read" would be different. It's why the FBI and DoJ has been called in.

"Local authorities say they can’t arrest Zimmerman because of a state law that permits citizens to use deadly force when acting in self-defense, and there are no witnesses to contradict Zimmerman’s claim that he was acting in self-defense"


Got something to contradict that chief?

Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/216785-congressional-black-caucus-doj-should-investigate-trayvon-martin-shooting-

wow
fuckin brutal

In one a woman clearly says a young man is screaming for help, he can be heard in the background of the phone conversations, his parents say it is his voice, then the gunshot and the woman who called says there's gunshots. His own call to dispatch can be heard and he is advised not to go after the boy, but to wait for the police who are on the way.

I'm sure the police can figure that one out.

If it turns out it is the boy, you have the nucleus of a solid case.

I haven't heard the tape, got a link to it by chance?

you're acting a wee bit hysterical there.

How can you justify that statement? I'm BLACK, and sorry to say sometimes I feel scared when I come across certain blacks.

Blah fucking blah blah blah!

Have you read the etiquette protocol for this forum?

He murdered an unarmed teenager because he looked "suspicious". Just what about Trayvon would have made anyone suspicious, unless that person was a racist, and was suspicious of black people?

I can't speak to what he was dressed like or the body language he was displaying, but that could also make him look suspicious. Concluding that the only possible reason the accused was suspicious of the victim was because he was black is a hell of a leap of logic.

and that the police were on their way.

If he was about something, he would have done what he was told--but he wasn't satisfied with doing that.

and btw, white guys in suits and ties look suspicious to me these days--they might be robbing my bank account blind or voting to take away my reproductive rights as a woman... they're more of a danger to me... am I justified in shooting them? No.

As far as I'm aware, there is zero legal obligation to listen to a dispatcher. You can't infer criminal activity from that.

If you want a completely one sided conversation you can go find a mirror or perhaps a pet.

don't get it twisted.

Sounds rather personal to me.

Makes them suspicious.

Give me a fucking break. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Let me ask you a question... Why, aside from some general ethos of "let the facts come out", are you supporting Mr. Zimmerman, who murdered an unarmed teenager in cold blood?

Seriously, I'm all for playing devil's advocate in most instances, but in this case, I'll make an exception. This is a cut and dried case of murder. Mr. Zimmerman needs to spend the rest of his life in prison.

That's just plain stupid thinking. Wait to see what comes out in the wash!

But I know that you aren't a black woman, as you claim that you are. You should be ashamed of yourself, but I sincerely doubt that you have the capacity for shame. Have a nice life, because I suspect that whatever awaits you thereafter will be far less pleasant.

The only thing there is that he would "often" alert neighbors to suspicious young black men. Is it not possible he also did the same thing for suspicious white young men or suspicious young latino men?

He was the neighborhood watch captain, alerting people about suspicious people is sorta what he does.

If this was a bias motivated crime, I want to see it prosecuted.

While he was stalking the poor kid.

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Apparently he made 46 other 911 calls in the past year, many of them to report "suspicious black" people - none of whom turned out to be doing anything wrong.

Yes, I'd say that Zimmerman has an anti-black bias.

Have they even proved that this was a hate crime? Seems to me people are jumping the gun.

get with that point, first.

Imagine the harm it could do to his FEELINGS.
If I were a little darker I'd let him shoot me too so he would maybe feel a little better.

This is such a tragedy that has befallen poor Zimmerman.

Excellent response.

So glad to see the CBC and CHC get involved in this.

On the news tonight they said his Neighborhood Watch was not "registered"

I guess there is a national NW association and they have rules that state

Never carry a gun

and

never confront an individual.

So the kid is kind of a one-man-band here.

The plot thickens!

When those at the top only need to pay 1/10 of the damages they cause, and those at the bottom, 10 times the amount, well, it just seems like this is the type of thing that we end up with.

During Zimmerman's call on a non emergency line, he said, among other things, "now he's coming towards me."
Then, after saying, "these (expletive deleted) always get away," Zimmerman gets out of his car and the incident escalates.

I tried to envision how Trayvon might have been coming towards Zimmerman. Did Zimmerman pass by and park in front of Trayvon?
From the tape of Zimmerman's phone call, it seems he had parked strategically in a position where Martin would have to pass. As Martin approached, George Zimmerman jumped out of his vehicle causing Martin to bolt. That is when we hear Zimmerman say: "he's running"... And, at that point, Zimmerman intercepted Martin who was trying to run past him. I doubt if an obese man, like Zimmerman appears to be, would be in for chasing someone smaller and quicker like Martin.

Zimmerman's description of Martin "acting suspicious" is easily explainable. When a stranger seems to be tailing you in a car for no apparent reason, a plausible reaction would be to look for potential avenues of escape.

The time this incident occurred is important. It was around 7:00PM or thereabouts . Most people are at home during that time as evidenced by the number of 911 calls reporting the fray. If Zimmerman's mind had not been clouded by his obsession with anti-black vigilantism he might have realized that most thieves or burglars work when people are asleep or away from their homes. A tiime of 3:00AM would have favored Zimmerman but the time of 7:00 PM only underlines the real motive of a murderer.

He didn't live there. He was visiting from out of town. It's a condo complex with a lot of identical buildings. Trayvon went out to a store and when he walked back it was cold, dark, and raining. He was from Miami where he's used to warmer weather. He was only wearing a hoodie. Of course the hood was up and his hands were in the front of his hoodie. He was cold! He also may have been a little lost, which could explain why he was walking slowly and looking at the buildings. It could explain why he started to walk toward Zimmerman, thinking that here was a person who might help him. And then something about Zimmerman scared Trayvon and he started to run. Maybe Zimmerman got out of his car holding a gun.

Zimmerman's description of Martin "acting suspicious" is easily explainable. When a stranger seems to be tailing you in a car for no apparent reason, a plausible reaction would be to look for potential avenues of escape.