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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 06:53 PM Apr 2014

Damascus and Rebels Trade Blame in Gas Attack

Source: NYTIMES

Syrian state television and antigovernment activists reported Saturday that poison gas had been used in a rebel-held village in the central province of Hama, with each side blaming its enemies for an attack they both said sickened more than 100 people.

The attack took place Friday evening in the village of Kfar Zeita, sending streams of choking patients, including children, to poorly equipped field hospitals, according to local medics and videos posted online. Opposition activists said government helicopters had dropped improvised bombs on the village, covering it with a thick smoke that smelled of chlorine.

While the opposition reported the attack soon after it happened, Syrian state television first mentioned it the day after in an urgent news banner during a broadcast. It blamed the Nusra Front, Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, for the attack, adding that two people were killed and more than 100 others affected by the gas. A subsequent banner announcement said the Nusra Front was preparing two more chemical attacks. It was the first time since last year that both sides agreed that toxic weapons had been used. On Aug. 21, 2013, sarin gas attacks in suburbs of Damascus killed hundreds and led President Obama to threaten airstrikes on Syrian government targets. The strikes were averted by a deal to dispose of Syria’s chemical weapons stockpiles. Western officials say there is clear evidence that the government carried out the August strikes, while the government blames insurgents.

Allegations of a new attack carry high stakes. If the government used toxic arms now, that would suggest that it felt it could act with impunity because of international reluctance to punish it militarily. Since the Aug. 21 episode, government tactics like starving rebel areas and bombing residential neighborhoods have continued unabated, killing many more people than chemical weapons have. But the killings have produced little international response beyond a United Nations Security Council resolution calling for an end to the violence and for increased access for groups providing humanitarian aid.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/13/world/middleeast/damascus-and-rebels-trade-blame-in-gas-attack.html?_r=0

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Damascus and Rebels Trade Blame in Gas Attack (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 OP
I hope Assad crushes the Wahabi rebellion cosmicone Apr 2014 #1
I couldn't agree more. arewenotdemo Apr 2014 #4
For the rest of the world, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #2
Well, he's apparently avoiding any legal consequences. arewenotdemo Apr 2014 #3
Yep. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #5
Putin can easily supply more lethal weapons cosmicone Apr 2014 #6
They're not geographically contiguous. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #7
Russia can quickly airlift weapons or supply them through Vladivostok. n/t cosmicone Apr 2014 #8
You're not getting it. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #9
You've too much faith in the rag-tag bunch cosmicone Apr 2014 #10
 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
1. I hope Assad crushes the Wahabi rebellion
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 07:05 PM
Apr 2014

to stop the Jihad/Sharia/terrorism/Burkha crowd once and for all.

Assad is clearly winning and there is no need for him to use chemical weapons -- so the main suspects are Turkey (ask Seymour Hersh), Israel and Saudi Arabia who want to give more exposure to their fledgling terrorists and get them some Western help. I doubt that would happen because no one wants Libya-2.

 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
4. I couldn't agree more.
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 06:51 PM
Apr 2014

I'm just waiting for them to pin this on Assad.

Samantha Power learned a lot from Cheney and Wolfowitz.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
2. For the rest of the world,
Sun Apr 13, 2014, 08:16 PM
Apr 2014

this small bit of news: rebels have now been seen in multiple locations with US TOW anti-tank missiles today. I have no doubt this is a direct response to the happenings in Ukraine.
A couple of weeks ago, when Putin was done with Crimea and beginning to seriously threaten east Ukraine, Assad had a very bad day: rebels took a bunch of ground and his cousin was killed. This was a direct warning to Putin of what would happen if he continued with his actions in Ukraine.
As it has now become clear that Putin is going to make a concerted attempt at continuing his invasion of Ukraine, the US has very ostentatiously supplied the rebels with better weapons. It may also be a response to this attack, which is just one in a continuing series by the Syrian gov't since Aug 21. They've been doing them small, and are now attempting to re-ratchet back up to Aug 21 levels.
Nothing can be done about Putin taking whatever he wants from Ukraine; they are clearly in the Russian sphere of influence. But Syria isn't. If Putin takes Ukraine, Assad is going down.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
5. Yep.
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 06:57 PM
Apr 2014

This doesn't exactly make me jump for joy, but this is how the game is played, and Putin knows it. If he moves on Ukraine, Assad is toast. It's that simple.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
7. They're not geographically contiguous.
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 07:40 PM
Apr 2014

Unfortunately for Putin, they have a border with NATO: Turkey. It's not even beyond the realm of possibility that they close off the Bosphorus to Russia. Turkey's already not happy with prospects for the Crimean Tatars, so they already have made noises in this direction.
Putin is playing with way more than he can handle. Obama has already made it clear what he will do. Merkel is now getting seriously into the sanctions arena, and unlike the US, Germany does a lot of business with Russia. If they jump in with both feet, he's going to be facing some serious economic problems.
If you read that linked article, what you see is that Russia was being treated as a normal country in which to do business. Actually, they are a capitalist's dream, with a flat income tax, and not a lot of regulation. Non-energy related FDI was beginning to take off, finally, in 2013.
All of that is now changing, and if he makes good on his threats to Ukraine's mainland, the hit to the Russian economy will be large. I personally don't see it happening for this reason. Putin's too greedy. He'll push as far as he can without raising the costs too much, but that will be it. This will be a low-level, long term game of attrition, rather than the lightning strikes he pulled in Georgia and Crimea.
As long as that's the case, Assad will be allowed to stay. If it changes, he'll be gone.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
9. You're not getting it.
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 08:32 PM
Apr 2014

Putin's already supplying them. The US has been holding back, not him.
Less so now. If he moves in force across the Ukraine border, gloves come off. He can resupply to his heart's content. Or try. Won't do him or Assad any good.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
10. You've too much faith in the rag-tag bunch
Mon Apr 14, 2014, 09:37 PM
Apr 2014

of wahabi assholes rather than a well-trained Syrian army and Hizbollah fighters.

I also noticed some glee of the cold war variety that if he gets Ukraine and makes people miserable, we'll make sure that millions of women in Syria will be oppressed by burkhas and genital mutilations to satisfy the Sunni/Wahabi thirst.

Amazing.

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