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Sancho

(9,070 posts)
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 10:14 PM Mar 2012

Parents flex muscles — and Twitter fingers — in Tallahassee, and they win

Source: Tampa Bay Times

TALLAHASSEE — It was one of the hardest-fought battles of the legislative session.

On one side: a coalition of disparate, but determined parent groups.

On the other: former Gov. Jeb Bush and the powerful school choice lobby.
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The fight was a case study in grass roots activism fueled by astute citizens and sites like Twitter and Facebook. Some said it was an affirmation that the little guy can sometimes win, even in Tallahassee, with social media serving as the great equalizer.

Read more: http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/k12/article1220794.ece



Jeb is not gone...he is still trying to work his nefarious plans on the state of Florida. In this case, parents and teachers stopped him. He has been trying to trash public schools for a decade. He was stopped by the courts and constitutional amendments from expanding vouchers and charter schools. He's back with new legislation to allow any school to be instantly turned into a "charter" that is essentially a white-flight, exclusive organization. All this is being done at the last minute behind closed doors, but we're on to him and watching.

A big thank you to all who helped in this fight.
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Parents flex muscles — and Twitter fingers — in Tallahassee, and they win (Original Post) Sancho Mar 2012 OP
Good news, thanks for bringing it. freshwest Mar 2012 #1
AWESOME NEWS! ProgressiveATL Mar 2012 #2
If we stick together, we can beat 'em!! Sancho Mar 2012 #3
How is not having a choice a good thing? minavasht Mar 2012 #4
You don't understand...everyone wants good schools... Sancho Mar 2012 #5
I think minavasht Mar 2012 #8
We have tried choice in Florida already...doesn't work.. Sancho Mar 2012 #9
I have heard Florida schools suck balls joeglow3 Mar 2012 #6
Maybe...there is no consistency in Florida... Sancho Mar 2012 #7

ProgressiveATL

(50 posts)
2. AWESOME NEWS!
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 08:07 AM
Mar 2012

"The showdown took place over the so-called parent trigger bill, which would have enabled parents to convert low-performing public schools into charter schools... The parent groups disagreed. They argued that the bill was really intended to give for-profit charter school management companies more clout."

My heroes!!

And I cannot believe this new strategy, co-opting just like that our public schools for their for-profit crusade.

I talk to parents everyday. It is disheartening how many don't see the crux of the charter battle, don't know the history, or the real outcomes. The for-profit folks have done an amazing job at misdirecting and reframing things.

minavasht

(413 posts)
4. How is not having a choice a good thing?
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 07:26 PM
Mar 2012

When my kid is assigned to a good school all is good and nice.
But if he is stuck in a bad school, I'd like to have the choice to take him somewhere else.
Its like saying - you were born in Podunk, USA. You can't move to a nicer place and if you don't like it, tough luck.

Sorry, not with you on this one.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
5. You don't understand...everyone wants good schools...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:05 AM
Mar 2012

in Florida "choice" is being used to:

1.) create all white schools (St. Petersburg is under court order because they still don't have integrated schools; Miami has lawsuits about the treatment of Hispanic students)
2.) create schools run by private corporations that make a profit buying stuff from Neil Bush, etc.
3.) create schools that undermine collective bargaining that has worked well in Florida for 40-50 years (no strikes; most school districts have mostly good schools, no major teacher shortages, etc.)

Anyone in most Florida districts can complain about their school; there are already magnet schools, fundamental schools, charter schools and demonstration schools all over the state; there are already vouchers if you want to move you kid to a private school...soooo why do we need this "new" legislation?

It's a ruse and the PTA, school boards, and most parents caught on to the fake "choice" issue and put a stop to it.

minavasht

(413 posts)
8. I think
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 03:33 PM
Mar 2012

that those are half measures.
Give the kids a choice of any public school, like in Europe.
I don't want to have to send my kid to a private school, I'd like to have a choice of which public school to take him to.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
9. We have tried choice in Florida already...doesn't work..
Fri Mar 23, 2012, 01:58 AM
Mar 2012

rural districts only have a few schools that are miles apart. There's no way to have a choice. Urban districts end up with everyone wanting to be he the "good" school. As soon as all the Hispanic or Black or even great football players "choose" a particular school, the rest of the population wants in, files discrimination suits, etc. How can you transport kids to their choice? It doubles the bus budget (it's been tried).

If you want a private school (I've taught in one) then put the kids there. If you want public schools to allow everyone to pick it almost always creates a mess.

Europe doesn't universally have "choice". I don't know where you get that...

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
6. I have heard Florida schools suck balls
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:42 AM
Mar 2012

A friend of ours moved from Nebraska to Tampa last year for her husband's job. She has 2 boys (4th and 6th grade). My wife has received multiple calls in the last 6 months where this friend is in tears, questioning what they have done to their children. She has said every school she has visited in the Tampa region is flat out awful and at least a full year behind where her kids were at here. Sadly, they have even begun to look at the private schools and those near them are equally bad.

They are in the process of trying to find a way back here to get away from the shitty schools there.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
7. Maybe...there is no consistency in Florida...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 02:30 PM
Mar 2012

My wife teaching in a school across Tampa Bay from Tampa and it's one of the best public schools I've seen in the US. It has an "A" rating, lots of parent involvement, great fine arts, few discipline problems. Almost every teacher has a graduate degree and the kids are in pretty small classes.

Tampa has very good International Baccalaureate programs, AP courses, and it has millions of extra money from the Bill Gates foundation. School districts here have 100,000 to 250,000 students and hundreds of schools. There are no state standards that demand consistency (other than class size). Some schools are the worst. They are dropout factories and have lots of teacher turnover. A few miles away usually schools that rival any private school you've ever dreamed of...soooo....chances are it depends.

If you move to Florida, it helps if you pick where you live after you get your kids in the school you want.

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