Alleged Hillary Clinton shoe thrower detained
Source: Associated Press
PHOENIX (AP) -- A federal magistrate on Tuesday ordered a Phoenix woman to remain jailed until she is returned to Las Vegas to face federal charges alleging she threw a shoe at Hillary Rodham Clinton during a speech.
Alison Michelle Ernst, 36, read documents, talked to her lawyer and sat on the edge of her seat as she waited for her initial appearance before U.S. Magistrate Judge Steven Logan in Phoenix.
Ernst, wearing a turquoise-colored hooded jacket and jeans, was arrested late Monday after federal prosecutors in Las Vegas filed charges Sunday accusing her of trespassing and violence against a person.
The federal charges increase the possible consequences for Ernst if she is convicted of throwing a shoe at the former secretary of state.
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JimDandy
(7,318 posts)that will add to the rolls of the mentally ill filling our prisons.
We have to get more funding for mental health facilities in this country.
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jtuck004
(15,882 posts)joshcryer
(62,271 posts)Her blog postings and lawsuits indicate someone who is quite unhinged. I don't wish for her to be jailed, I wish for her to get the treatment she needs. Just Google her name. Some really disturbing thoughts.
brer cat
(24,566 posts)Serious question: is there any way other than by jailing her and having a hearing on this issue for anyone outside her family to get help for her? You may not know any more than I do about it, joshcryer, but it is an important part of this story. I really don't know if any authorities involved can decide she is mentally ill, have her evaluated and force her to accept help or if it is something her lawyer would have to raise in defense of this case.
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crim son
(27,464 posts)that it will only embarrass any Republican who tries to use it. Furthermore, the shoe-thrower is probably a republican and the video footage only underscores how unhinged they've become.
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okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)with the findings.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)also former First Lady.
Beacool
(30,249 posts)I saw in one of the pics of the event a SS agent come out from one of the stage wings and he had his hand on his gun holster. If needed, I don't doubt that he would have used it.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)bigworld
(1,807 posts)can certainly be considered assault.
bigworld
(1,807 posts)Throw the book at her.
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Beacool
(30,249 posts)Although it would be better if she gets psychiatric help. She has a history of disturbing actions.
The shoe incident may have been minor, but it's still worrisome. Ernst was not an attendee at this conference, and yet she managed to get within a few feet of Hillary. How about if the next disturbed person pulls out a gun instead of a shoe?
I don't advocate violence against any public figure, even the ones I don't support.
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Let our Laws take care of this issue.
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Of British Themis, with no mean applause,
Pronounced, and in his volumes taught, our laws,
Which others at their bar so often wrench,
Today deep thoughts resolve with me to drench
In mirth that after no repenting draws;
Let Euclid rest, and Archimedes pause,
And what the Swede intend, and what the French.
To measure life learn thou betimes, and know
Toward solid good what leads the nearest way;
For other things mild Heaven a time ordains,
And disapproves that care, though wise in show,
That with superfluous burden loads the day,
And, when God sends a cheerful hour, refrains.
John Milton
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"That would be politically smarter..."
What specifically leads you to that premise?
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Beacool
(30,249 posts)Response to Beacool (Reply #21)
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crim son
(27,464 posts)the she will receive treatment rather than punishment. If she is found to be of sound mind then she has potentially committed a crime and there is no reason to give her a break. It makes no sense to suggest that Hillary just "drop it," no for the shoe-thrower's sake or for her own.
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Beacool
(30,249 posts)Ernst is mentally ill and needs treatment. It became a federal charge because she assaulted a SS protectee, a former first lady.
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msanthrope
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)the Executive picking up to phone to direct investigations does not end well, as our Constitution intended.
She committed a federal crime, in front of federal LEOs. Our federal system doesn't allow for a null pross in that situation.
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)And no.....read how Watergate happened! President Obama does not call the AG and tell him who to prosecute, and who to let off.
She committed a federal crime in front of federal LEOs. On tape. She's getting prosecuted.
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)She had an outburst during the court trial of the Colorado movie shooter in 2012. When arrested said she was obsessed with him, he was "in her head". She asked for a restraining order from the court to get him out.
Our court system is horrible with mental health treatment.
Beacool
(30,249 posts)More than half of the prison population has mental problems. Ditto for the homeless population.
Sunlei
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)As long as it's not one of the 'for profit' contractor paid- Immigration Federal prisons.
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struggle4progress
(118,285 posts)Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:56 am
LAS VEGAS (AP) ...
Alison Michelle Ernst, 36, was taken into custody late Monday in Phoenix and was scheduled to appear Tuesday before a federal magistrate judge there, said Natalie Collins, a spokeswoman for U.S. Attorney Daniel Bogden.
Federal prosecutors in Las Vegas had obtained an arrest warrant after filing trespassing and violence against a person charges against Ernst on Sunday. The charges increase the possible consequences for Ernst if she is convicted.
She had already been arrested on a local misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge carrying a possible six-month sentence in county jail. She was released by police with a June 24 court date in Las Vegas. Charges werent immediately filed ...
http://www.trivalleycentral.com/casa_grande_dispatch/national_news/feds-re-arrest-woman-in-clinton-shoe-throw/article_735fa9a2-c590-11e3-ada3-0019bb2963f4.html
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Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)BTW, Hillary doesn't run the Justice Department. It seems you are posting as if the Feds and Hillary are somehow working together.
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Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)cabrona
(47 posts)And Eric Holder is the boss of people who decide who is prosecuted.
cabrona
(47 posts)I like Hillary too, and I do think it would be a good idea, strategically, for her to ask for mercy for this woman.