...but a FRONTRUNNER for next week's!!!!

So, it's his home. Leave him be, White House Authorities!

Most red foxes south of Canada are descendants of foxes introduced from more warm-tolerant european subspecies. The subspecies native to north America are cold-loving critters that came and went with glaciation.

...and they say you're wrong.

n/t

Dont go there!!!!

Bosonic

One of the many things Norway have given the world over the centuries - a nightmare of a song....

Diclotican

freshwest

Yeah Raske menn is doing rather well I think The history of the world in 5 minutes (in reality it is almost 7 minutes long, but cool either way ) They have a lot of scetches who is rather nice - some of it is on you tube too - even though it might be somewhat hard to understand if you do not know Norwegian Not everything is easy to translate to english - but I guess you get the gest of it

Diclotican

I thought it was a fox, not a coyote

not like they have the sense to keep chickens at the white house.

What harm is there in having a wild animal that lives in the wooded area of the property living there?

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Lots of rabbits, squirrels, and other little critters on the White House Grounds and
he/she can keep bunnies and what not from eating Michelle's garden.

For a fox those grounds would be really sweet .... no traffic, coyotes, or people w/little
dicks who like to kill things like this fox just for fun. As long as he/she doesn't have
mange then this fox would be a nice addition to the White House ground's ecology.

Besides he looks like Joe Biden.

A perfect example of how nature balances itself. He (or she) will keep the grounds clean of little varmints, and will certainly be smarter than any Republican who shows up.

... it always looked like she was somewhat amused by what I was doing. But she was more then
happy to let me or the tractor chase "critters" to her. One time I got to see her den w/ her
pups from a little distance.

BTW is it needed to hurt a fox's feelings and compare them to republicans?

Didn't mean to "cast aspersions on his/her asparagus". I've always thought it was a damn shame that Murdock chose "Fox" as his station name, as they are smart animals. I've never seen "smart" over at Faux Noise. And I certainly haven't seen it among the Rethugs...not in over 30 years, anyhow.

Most Red Foxes less 20 lbs or less

The mess wasn't pleasant.

FWIW, my dog "won." The squirrel didn't stand a chance.

It's not about who will "win," it's about the blood and guts on the WH lawn.

.... and the dogs don't get to run the White House grounds unsupervised too.

Male Portuguese Water Dogs are 50 to 60 LBS (rough #s) ... Females way a little
less ..... Red Foxes seldom go more then 18 to 20 pounds. Foxes are pretty
common but they tend to be nocturnal and they try to avoid humans and dogs
when ever possible. Odds are you have them living around you right now but
through evolution and time they have learned how to be scarce when people
are around.

Although sometimes curiosity gets the best of them and they like to see what
"them crazy humans" are doing.

The only real risk to the Obama's dogs might be mange or maybe rabies but
the rabies chance could be reduced by feeding the fox or giving him a shot of
some meds so he/she would get rabies resistance.

Now their might be a real security reason to remove the fox from the grounds
but from an ecological stand point the White House Grounds should be able to
support a red fox or two with no problems. No doubt that the Potomac River
area supports a nice population of foxes.





sorry to babble but they do look like Joe Biden when they smile and I like the idea that
the POTUS and the White House staff could look out on a snowy winter day and see a "little
wild" on the grounds.

still managed to grab that squirrel.

I'm not going to question or criticize the WH for their security measures. They know what they need to do to keep their principal safe.

That is one of the perks of being POTUS .... open the door and let the dogs out but I
highly doubt that the dogs go outside w/out somebody watching them at all times
and especially when they are off leash. But once again the Fox would know almost all
the time when dogs and people are out long before the people or dogs would see it.

I have watched a fox for hours from a tree stand when deer hunting and he or she
was long gone before any dog or human would come into few. Besides the Obama
dogs have not been trained to track fox by scent .... although they both could smell
and tell that "something" is around.

Working together, who knows what those PWDs could do?

Again, I agree with the WH staff--get the fox gone. Solve the problem, avoid any possibility of a confrontation.

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I don't know why you have this odd and insistent idea that no dog will go after a fox. Do you not realize that the whole idea of the now pooh-poohed "fox hunt" is for dogs to chase after--and kill-- a fox that is running for its life?

... the Obama's own Portuguese Water Dogs that haven't had one minute of training to
scent*, trail, or run foxes. I have worked with dogs and taught dog training for years ....
I also have a b.s. in ecology and 30 + years experience in working in the outdoors and
with wildlife. The odds that a fox on the White House Grounds would have a negative
impact on the 2 dogs is very very small except for a chance of mange or rabies again
which might be pretty simple fixes.

Did you eve look @ the 2nd video you posted?


* Now no doubt that the Obama's dogs would smell the fox but that does not mean
they would run and look for it.

hunters, you name it, will do this. About the only one that sat on his ass and observed the scene was an elderly pug.

I think I'll take the POV of the people at the WH before I sign off on your assertions, sorry.

I looked at all the videos. If you want some graphic "kill" videos you can go to YOUTUBE and find plenty of them (all sorts of dogs, too--not just the classic beagles--you know, I lived in UK when people in the countryside still rode to hounds, and they'd bring any old dog along for the hunt...it's only in old movies featuring Americans with bad English accents that they all "match&quot .

The point is that dogs run after foxes, or any 'varmints' that cross their path. It's in their nature. That can be a problem for the minder of those WH dogs.

But for a fence this dog would be GONE:

FOX planted the fox in the WH lawn to spy on the Obamas. It probably has a chip implanted that transmits video and audio to the FOX studios. See Tea Party, we can all create conspiracies out of nothing.

Capture him and quarantine him before relocating to a more appropriate habitat - Rock Creek Park, for example.

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