Boy Scouts Shut Down Seattle Troop That Refused To Remove Gay Leader
Source: TPM
CAITLIN MACNEAL APRIL 21, 2014, 1:12 PM EDT
The Boy Scouts of America has revoked the charter of a Seattle troop over its refusal to remove an openly gay troop leader, according to Scouts for Equality.
Geoffrey McGrath, believed to be the first openly gay troop leader, was banned from the Boy Scouts at the beginning of April.
Rainier Beach United Methodist Church's Troop 98 and Pack 98 defended their Scoutmaster, however, and refused to force him out.
"Based on our religious principles, we will continue to act as an autonomous church that does not discriminate," the church's Rev. Monica Corsaro said in a statement to Scouts for Equality. "We will continue to have our Troop meetings here, every Thursday night, with business as usual."
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Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)need to be shut down under RICO statutes for running an ongoing criminal enterprise trading in the sexual assault of children.
Seriously, imagine what would happen if a commercial day care center had the number of sexual assaults these two "institutions" do and management went to such lengths to perpetuate the abuse and protect the child rapists?
FSogol
(45,491 posts)and their Youth protection policy is the model for many other youth organizations and school systems today.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)that interact with children.
Given the BSA's history, a few years good conduct does not erase decades of misconduct. The BSA has only required criminal background checks since 2003. And even then, just for new leaders. They then waited another 5 years before requiring criminal background checks for leaders prior to 2003.
FSogol
(45,491 posts)They got in trouble in the past for when coming across allegations of abuse, they would remove the leaders, but did not turn the info over to law enforcement. The Catholic Church of course, just moved the abuser somewhere else. Scouting does have a good program for protecting youth now. Info on their program is here: http://www.scouting.org/Training/youthprotection.aspx
I do agree that they are in the wrong about removing that leader.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)I am confused.
http://www.scouting.org/BSAYouthProtection/BSA_Communications/Ineligible_Volunteer_Files.aspx
they would remove the leaders, but did not turn the info over to law enforcement.
Failure to report a crime of this type is a crime in many jurisdictions. And the actions of the BSA (and the Catholic Church) would arguably rise to the level of conspiracy to obstruct justice, obstruction of justice, and accessory after the fact, if we had any prosecutors with the spine to take on such organizations.
I am glad that the BSA is cleaning up its act. However, it is still a homophobic/bigoted organization and thus bears careful watching.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)You are using old or invalid data.
FSogol
(45,491 posts)It is possible some Districts or chartering organizations around the country run background checks, but the NCAC (National Capital Area Council) does not and it is not required or recommended by the overall organization.
NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)...these two separate issues, homophobia/pedophilia, even by people who position themselves as non-homophobes.
The BSA has made great strides in combating the sexual assault issue in my experience.
To mention the sexual assault issue, in any relation to the on-going problem of the BSAs slow evolution in regards to homophobia, does not help anyone, except the homophobes.
While I do agree that the official BSA policy, which has effectively evolved into a "Do Not Ask/Do Not Tell" status for adults, does need to and will continue to evolve, there is no good reason to conflate the two topics.
I know the BSA is typically "behind the curve" on social issues, heck when I was a cub scout they still technically allowed for racially segregated units, but they are evolving in the right direction, albeit slowly.
Please refrain from unnecessarily mixing these two separate issues, it does not help.
NG
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)homophobic organizations have been the ones up to their eye-balls in sexual abuse. Show me a minister/politician who can't shut up about homosexuality and I will show you people who should not be allowed alone with any children.
You make my point. The BSA has a long history of bigotry and they have no benefit of a doubt from me until they have demonstrated they have left that legacy behind. The story in the OP shows they are still a very morally backward organization who hide their hatred in the same sanctimonious trappings they always have.
The BSA also has a LONG history (dating back to its founder) of tolerating child sexual abuse. Just because it has a decade or two of good behavior does not mean they are off the hook. Also, when they were molesting kids and got caught, they blamed "teh gays". Thus, the two issues ARE linked.
NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)...but the issue I was raising was the erroneous and continual conflation of homophobia and pedophilia.
And, based on your reply to my original post here, it leads me to ask:
Do you think they should be linked?
Should the homophobia of our LGBT friends be associated with child sexual abuse?
I think issues should not be linked, and that it does not help the LGBT cause and does not help in the battle against child sexual abuse.
To repeat the association, regardless of how much you dislike the BSA and wish to attack it, brings a form of credibility to the association.
It is not helpful.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)40 years pondering the issue as observer, victim, and activist:
When children were molested in the past what happened depended on the sex of the child and molester:
1) Male child, female molester: Almost never prosecuted. Male child was considered "lucky".
2) Female child, male molester: Almost never reported, many excuses made when reported, with prosecution of the offender in only the most egregious of circumstances.
3) Male child, male molester: Blamed on homosexuals. Both attacker and victim considered criminals. Male victim was considered complicit in crime, a homosexual and a future child molester himself.
#3 Was the one that created the most scandal and most outrage. When it happened it was viewed as evidence of gays "recruiting", "turning" boys to become homosexual.
And who were the molesters? Almost invariably "trusted" and "respected" members of society: Ministers, priests, scout masters, teachers, coaches, people who had been quite vocal about morality, ESPECIALLY the dangers posed by "homosexuals".
Now it has been known for some time that gay people are rarely molesters, but it was an matter of certainty until the last decade or so in many quarters, and still is, even today, in the more conservative venues. The high and mighty moral champions of the community railed against gay people, claiming that they posed a threat to children. And low and behold, when children were molested, the perpetrators almost invariably came from the moral champions.
This is one of the reasons prosecuting child sexual abuse was a major problem, the people enabling the molesters had a a vested interest in protecting them, denying reality, and finding scapegoats, i.e. gay people, to point at when the matters became public.
So, in my personal experience (your mileage may vary), people who were/are viciously homophobic seemed to be either projecting or overcompensating. The BSA and the Catholic Church were at the forefront of "protecting" society from "moral deviancy", and when the truth was told, they were really protecting the monsters in their own ranks.
The issues ARE linked in that gays were scapegoated by these groups to protect/hide these monsters.
Any group with deep seated misogynistic/homophobic/racist ideology has no respect for women, gays and minorities and will act inhumanely toward them. They will blame them for what they see as wrong in the world and use that as an excuse to persecute these groups.
And children are the least able to defend themselves and thus make the most natural victims to prey upon. The defenseless of children is then exploited by the predators to misdirect the mob while also whipping the mob into a frenzy.
So, as long as the Catholic Church, the BSA, the Mormons, etc, harbor bigoted views about gays, women, and minorities, they pose a clear and present danger to children. Even if they do not abuse the children sexually, they abuse them mentally and morally by inculcating them with their hatred.
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Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)There are alternatives to BSA. Glad we took them.
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)truly do not know
it never came up
being a scout was very good for me.
i suck(ed) at sports
the family church was--well-long story
school was--well to big
i needed scouting and it was wonderful for me
but that one leader
the best scout leader i ever met
40 years later... i wonder
bpj62
(999 posts)I am currently an adult leader in both a Cub Scout Pack and a Boy Scout Troop. I had to have a criminal back round check done and I also am required to take Youth Protection Training every two years. Both of my boys have had very good experiences while in scouting and they have always been in a safe environment. I was a Scout in the 70's and I never saw any sexual abuse in the troop that I was in. As with any organization change is not easy but at least the Boy Scouts voted on their own to allow openly gay scouts. This was a big step for an organization that hid its abuse problem for many years. It will take this generation of scouts becoming adult leaders to change the rules regarding adult leaders being openly gay.