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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 09:09 AM Apr 2014

California Bill Reignites Affirmative Action Fight

Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS

JULIET WILLIAMS – APRIL 23, 2014, 8:13 AM EDT

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Nearly 20 years after California became the first state to ban the use of race and ethnicity in college admissions, a proposal to reinstate affirmative action has sparked a backlash that is forging a new divide in the state's powerful Democratic Party and creating opportunity for conservatives.

The debate is unfolding in the nation's most populous and most ethnically diverse state as an unrelated U.S. Supreme Court ruling upholds voters' rights to decide whether racial considerations should factor into university selections.

The California proposal would allow voters to rescind their state's affirmative action ban, but unexpected pushback from families of Asian descent who mobilized through Chinese-language media, staged rallies and organized letter-writing campaigns has all but killed the measure.

"I was surprised," said Sen. Ed Hernandez, D-Covina, the author of the bill. "I didn't expect it."

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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/california-bill-reignites-affirmative-action-fight

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California Bill Reignites Affirmative Action Fight (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2014 OP
Residency should be the most important part of the admissions pipoman Apr 2014 #1
Normally, I would agree Mz Pip Apr 2014 #3
it's time we start funding our state universities properly bossy22 Apr 2014 #4
according to this article, the freshman class for 2104 is 12,800. olddad56 Apr 2014 #5
That's the number of admits Mz Pip Apr 2014 #6
thank you for that info. olddad56 Apr 2014 #7
Cons should be careful of what they wish for. Cartoonist Apr 2014 #2
The UC system has been trying to dance around the law for almost 20 years now. Igel Apr 2014 #8
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
1. Residency should be the most important part of the admissions
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 09:32 AM
Apr 2014

Process. State funded schools should be required to admit residents overwhelmingly over foreign and alien students.

Mz Pip

(27,452 posts)
3. Normally, I would agree
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 10:37 AM
Apr 2014

However the amount of funding the state contributes to the public university system has declined sharply. The only way colleges can offer financial aid to needy in state students is to admit more out of state and international students who pay higher tuition.

Years ago UC Berkeley admitted about 5% out of state students. Now it is 23%.

I've been evaluating applications for Berkeley for over 10 years. This year there were 73,000 applications. The freshman class is somewhere between 4-5,000 students. It's probably one of the most competitive universities in the country.

Mz Pip

(27,452 posts)
6. That's the number of admits
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 02:58 PM
Apr 2014

That's not the size of the freshman class. Not everyone who is admitted registers. 40% is about the percentage of students admitted who actually come.

Congrats on you son's acceptance. It was a very competitive pool this year.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
7. thank you for that info.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 03:16 PM
Apr 2014

I'm proud of my son for being admitted, but CAL was not my first choice for him. He turned down a full tuition offer at a private school (ranked in the top 50) that I would have preferred. He is very excited about going to CAL.



Cartoonist

(7,320 posts)
2. Cons should be careful of what they wish for.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 10:14 AM
Apr 2014

There's an interesting aspect of affirmative action here in CA in regards to education, so I see why Asians are fighting this. On a level playing field, Asians score better academically. So if admission is tied to merit only, then whites come in second. They're the ones who need affirmative action.

Igel

(35,337 posts)
8. The UC system has been trying to dance around the law for almost 20 years now.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 08:06 PM
Apr 2014

And it hasn't been to help white applicants. In fact, that was one of the widespread but rather subdued outcries in response to the geography-based approaches they tried at first: That policies that were supposed to help people of color disproportionately helped whites.

Of course, the entire problem was that East Asians weren't considered "people of color". SE Asians were a distinct enough cohort that they wanted, at least at the time, to be included under the affirmative-action umbrella. S. Asians were a small enough group as to not be very much present in the discussion.

In other news, many of those who were against affirmative action viewed the increase in East Asian admits as proper. They were better qualified under what were purported to be race-neutral policies, and in process-fair system of values that was an acceptable outcome. Sort of "may the best student win."

Don't know what happened under the "overcoming obstacles" way to have a covert affirmative action program.

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