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Ptah

(33,034 posts)
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 07:05 PM Apr 2014

6 fired for closing Arizona child abuse reports

Source: ABC News

Five senior Arizona child welfare employees were fired Wednesday for orchestrating a
plan that led to more than 6,500 Arizona child abuse and neglect cases being closed
without investigations, officials said.

The firings were the first major personnel action since the cases were discovered in November.

Charles Flanagan, who heads a new state child welfare agency created in the wake of discovery
of the closed cases, said an additional senior administrator at the state agency that formerly
oversaw Child Protective Services was also fired Wednesday.

Flanagan briefed reporters after state police completed an investigation into what led to reports
phoned into a state child abuse and neglect hotline not being investigated starting in late 2009.
The discovery of the cases led Gov. Jan Brewer to pull CPS from its parent agency and create a
new cabinet level post led by Flanagan to oversee child welfare cases statewide.



Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fired-closing-arizona-child-abuse-reports-23444400

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6 fired for closing Arizona child abuse reports (Original Post) Ptah Apr 2014 OP
Those fired have to be repubs randys1 Apr 2014 #1
I think your broad b/w brush misses the point. Ptah Apr 2014 #2
What point randys1 Apr 2014 #3
Gov. Brewer is a puke, BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #4
Good for Brewer. 840high Apr 2014 #5
oops..I was off base. Check posts 7 and 8 BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #11
Or just working under one. JoeyT Apr 2014 #6
These are GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES not at will happyslug Apr 2014 #9
Fuck Jan Brewer. This is all on her. JoeyT Apr 2014 #7
Thank you for the link, fucking Republicans and their God damn love of money: Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #8
oh...well, then I'm not surprised. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #10
what can these people (and those responsible for them) be charged with, and, one hopes, niyad Apr 2014 #12

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. What point
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 07:32 PM
Apr 2014

That rightwingers hate any kind of govt including that which protects children from predators?

If these werent rightwingers then I will be shocked, anything is possible.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
4. Gov. Brewer is a puke,
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 07:52 PM
Apr 2014

but according to this, she restructured CPS and put it under different leadership as soon as she got the report. I'm surprised too, since I also assume the worst of repukes.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
6. Or just working under one.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 08:34 PM
Apr 2014

This isn't a "Lazy people didn't want to work, so they deleted hotline calls" story, it's a "People had such a crushing workload they literally couldn't work through the backlog" one.

They chose the wrong way to fix it, but as the story says, they're at will employees, so coming out in public and denouncing the assholes that cut their workforce to the point they couldn't keep up with cases wouldn't have ended well either.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
9. These are GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES not at will
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 09:18 PM
Apr 2014

If the agency gets ANY federal funding the Employees must also be Civil Service. Even if they are NOT Civil Service, the US Supreme Court has ruled that when the Government hires someone, the Government is giving that person a "Property Right" to that job. A property right that can NOT be taken except for good cause (Which can include elimination of the position, or the violation of a known rule).

These rules is what Governors try to undo by going to contract workers. The worker is an employee of the contractor not the State, and thus no property right attaches to the job.

The biggest problem is if the Employees have a Union, then they would be advised of their options, including suing to get their jobs back.

Now, a Governor can remove people that directs policy, for that is what the Governor was elected to do, but he or she can NOT fire someone because they are "At Will" employees.

I do NOT know where the reporter obtain the information that the fired workers were "At Will" given that they have been on work since December white this was being investigated, Such a long investigation implies they are CIVIL SERVICE employees and it took this long to gather the evidence that they deliberately did NOT follow what was required of them. That would be good cause to terminate the employees, even if they were Civil Servants.

Remember the Government can fire Civil Servants, it just takes a little longer for whoever whats to fire a Civil Servants has to do the work to show the Civil Servant is NOT doing his or her job. That appears to be this situation in this case. If these employees were "At Will" they would have been fired in December when this scandal first hit the news, not now after an investigation.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
7. Fuck Jan Brewer. This is all on her.
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 08:41 PM
Apr 2014

Her and all the "Government employeez costs too much of the monies!" assholes cut the number of people to work on these cases until they literally couldn't respond to all of them, then try to act all heroic for pretending to fix the problem they made.

If you google "Arizona cuts cps" there's literally pages of stories about how they kept taking their funding away going back over the last several years.

Here's an alternate version of the story that isn't nearly as nice to Brewer: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/high-caseloads-turnover-at-cps-set-stage-for-recent-scandals/article_d32f0956-5cfa-54a8-855e-f3d6bd457def.html


ETA: Next step: Get rid of CPS and privatize to an unaccountable company that will fuck up everything they touch and cost ten times what CPS ever did.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. Thank you for the link, fucking Republicans and their God damn love of money:
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 08:51 PM
Apr 2014

snip*With a record number of children in out-of-home care — 15,000 in the state and 5,000 in Pima County — Child Protective Services is removing children from their homes at the highest rate in the nation.

Yet in the last two years, 67 Arizona children died from maltreatment even though they were known to CPS. Some had open cases, and others had cases that had been recently closed, the state’s annual Child Fatality Review shows.

Caseworkers lack time to get to know families or investigate properly because they are overwhelmed, often handling 75 to 80 percent more cases than state and federal guidelines say they should.

The agency is chronically understaffed, with Pima County’s CPS offices short 40 caseworkers as of July 31. More recent staffing numbers were not made available by DES, which oversees CPS. In July alone, nine workers here either quit or were fired, records show.

And earlier this week, a Phoenix resident found thousands of pages of confidential records in an alley and turned them over. The state is investigating how that happened.

By many accounts, CPS is now full of young workers who are short on the life experience needed to assess families struggling with addiction, mental health issues, unemployment and poverty.

niyad

(113,527 posts)
12. what can these people (and those responsible for them) be charged with, and, one hopes,
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 10:18 PM
Apr 2014

sent to jail forever?

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