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SpartanDem

(4,533 posts)
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:51 AM Mar 2012

Controversial Painter Depicts Obama With Burning Constitution

Source: CBS DC

Jon McNaughton, a controversial artist who often mixes religion and politics in his work, has released a new painting.

In “One Nation Under Socialism,” President Obama holds the U.S. Constitution as it burns.

While McNaughton previously depicted Obama stepping on the nation’s founding document, “One Nation Under Socialism” glowers directly as if challenging the viewer. His right hand is holding the Constitution and his left hand is pointing to the flames.

McNaughton tells CBSDC that the hands “represents his recognition of what is happening (to the Constitution) as it goes up.”


Read more: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/03/20/controversial-painter-depicts-obama-with-burning-constitution/

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Controversial Painter Depicts Obama With Burning Constitution (Original Post) SpartanDem Mar 2012 OP
Here is his painting of George W. Bush holding the burning Constitution: Hissyspit Mar 2012 #1
....... trusty elf Mar 2012 #5
Sorry... but... RitchieRich Mar 2012 #32
Doesnt support the claim of socialism though by the very delusional artist. cstanleytech Mar 2012 #43
Even if Obama was a Socialist President, there is nothing in the Constitution Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #50
Sorry you won't be able to "vote for" your choice candidate "for a change". But alas.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #46
...But I was a busy lad in those days. sofa king Mar 2012 #17
...And I think I already made fun of this guy, too: sofa king Mar 2012 #18
Nice. Hissyspit Mar 2012 #21
The difference between that guy and me is... sofa king Mar 2012 #53
That little shit's last painting had a whole bunch of white guys in it. MADem Mar 2012 #2
It is thought provoking. MrSlayer Mar 2012 #3
This is not thought provoking. That they use words as "socialism", in a negative context, only still_one Mar 2012 #24
Yes, I understand that. MrSlayer Mar 2012 #45
Give the President a Congress willing to work the country's business xtraxritical Mar 2012 #31
Dad didn't let him play with matches Kennah Mar 2012 #4
Where do these puny intellects come from? Economically, Obama is a center-right Chi-schooler. HughBeaumont Mar 2012 #6
The people that accuse Obama of being a Socialist hobbit709 Mar 2012 #8
The people that accuse Obama of being a Socialist AlbertCat Mar 2012 #37
Pardon but question for you. cstanleytech Mar 2012 #44
BTW little update for you regarding Obama and taxes cstanleytech Mar 2012 #54
Thank goodness he left off the horns. JohnnyRingo Mar 2012 #7
that needs a bucket of green paint thrown on it SemperEadem Mar 2012 #9
As an artist myself I agree with you lunatica Mar 2012 #10
...as an artist... RitchieRich Mar 2012 #36
if they say his technique is poor. AlbertCat Mar 2012 #39
Every artist I've ever known would be appalled at the idea of destroying onenote Mar 2012 #52
Socialism? Honestly? Enshrining big insurance is socialism? Vinca Mar 2012 #11
If I could I would get the hell out of here and move xtraxritical Mar 2012 #33
Well, chervilant Mar 2012 #35
Art it's not ProgressiveATL Mar 2012 #12
Here's Shakespeare doing Aristotle Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #23
McN: adolescent comic book approach to art, and an infantile grasp of political economy. McArt leveymg Mar 2012 #13
Young Turks: Conservative Clown Paints Jesus, Satan and the Liberals Ian David Mar 2012 #14
eh...his stuff is so absurd to the point of self-parody even Steven Colbert is jealous Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #15
Ah, yes; the Thomas Kinkade of political painting hatrack Mar 2012 #16
a bit heavy handed Enrique Mar 2012 #19
Love the "mean face" he painted on Obama. emulatorloo Mar 2012 #20
Not a very good image of Obama - it looks like a generic hedgehog Mar 2012 #30
What idiots elias7 Mar 2012 #22
I don't know about the title, but the artist says: midnight Mar 2012 #25
and i’m not ready to reveal all of them = i got nothin' frylock Mar 2012 #29
The only thoughts this crap provokes are ones of hate and ignorance.. left coaster Mar 2012 #26
Meanwhile Shepard Fairey MikeOlsen Mar 2012 #27
Yeesh, another Boris Vallejo type hack-painter in the making... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #28
And, chervilant Mar 2012 #34
There's really only one response possible . . . hatrack Mar 2012 #38
How did he convince himself that Obama is a socialist? pa28 Mar 2012 #40
A steady diet of Rush, Fox, RW e-mails, "christian" radio... JHB Mar 2012 #48
yes, I was going to say, the corporate media, especially faux network, newspeak Mar 2012 #55
... Under socialism for the communist rich. Festivito Mar 2012 #41
I Guess RobinA Mar 2012 #42
How is it I could correctly guess who this was by the end of the second sentence? JHB Mar 2012 #47
That's what I love about conservatives, Kelvin Mace Mar 2012 #49
Someone needs to do another painting... jmowreader Mar 2012 #51

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
1. Here is his painting of George W. Bush holding the burning Constitution:
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 04:14 AM
Mar 2012

Oh, wait, no it's not. He didn't do one.

The guy is an idiot and a bigot. And a shitty propagandist and artist:

When asked for an opinion, Saltz said that the painting contained “bad academic derivative realism,” calling it “typical propaganda art, drop-dead obvious in message” and “visually dead as a doornail.”

“It panders and preaches to the converted and tells them what they already believe,” Saltz told CBSDC.

- snip -

When asked if removed a few years from Obama’s presidency could the work be then viewed as art, Saltz said the work is “inverted, with an American as an enemy — Hitler, Tojo, Stalin, whoever.”

“It’s much closer to the hate images produced in Germany pre-1939, in 1950s USA Red scare, in the USA around Jim Crow, etc.”

RitchieRich

(292 posts)
32. Sorry... but...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:47 PM
Mar 2012

was it Bush who signed NDAA "with reservations"?

just because the republicans are far, far, far worse, doesn't mean we should ignore facts.

cstanleytech

(26,334 posts)
43. Doesnt support the claim of socialism though by the very delusional artist.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 04:29 PM
Mar 2012

You are right though we shouldnt ignore "all" of the facts but oddly some people still insist on cherry picking which facts to present in their arguments

Uncle Joe

(58,459 posts)
50. Even if Obama was a Socialist President, there is nothing in the Constitution
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 09:21 PM
Mar 2012

that prohibits Socialism or socialist policies and thus such policies wouldn't necessarily be unConstitutional.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,245 posts)
46. Sorry you won't be able to "vote for" your choice candidate "for a change". But alas....
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:10 PM
Mar 2012

Perhaps it isn't just facts we should "ignore", if you catch my drift. Hope you find a home soon.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
53. The difference between that guy and me is...
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 09:07 AM
Mar 2012

...That I know I'm a shitty artist and a hyperbolic propagandist who screeches for nobody except myself and the basic decency I think all people deserve.

That guy? He's a chump working for The Man.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. That little shit's last painting had a whole bunch of white guys in it.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 04:20 AM
Mar 2012

It was a real "piece of work."

This guy isn't an "artist," he's a copycat -- he doesn't even have the cleverness of the artful photoshopper.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
3. It is thought provoking.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 04:26 AM
Mar 2012

Because it's really not wrong. The painting may as well have the hands of President Obama's four predecessors on it as well. He certainly didn't start the extra-constitutional activities but he's not going out of his way to end many of them either.

The imagery is wrong in the way it is intended and perceived by the right wing. "Socialism" certainly isn't the problem but that doesn't mean there is no problem.

Anyways, I won't be framing and hanging this mediocre piece anytime soon. I still have my "Hope" poster.

still_one

(92,454 posts)
24. This is not thought provoking. That they use words as "socialism", in a negative context, only
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:05 AM
Mar 2012

exemplifies that this "painting" only has to do with propagating hate against the first African American President.

The reason it "didn't" have the hands of the four predecessors is because the point was never about the Constitution. It was to equate "this" president as someone to hate. The disrespect that has been shown to President Obama by the news media, the republicans, and the acceptance of racism by the general populous only points to a bleak future for the country





 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
45. Yes, I understand that.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 05:01 PM
Mar 2012

But that doesn't mean that those of us with the ability to think past his idiotic message can not and should not do so.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
31. Give the President a Congress willing to work the country's business
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:44 PM
Mar 2012

and not their petty ideology's and watch how quickly these problems are resolved. VOTE A STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC BALLOT!

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
6. Where do these puny intellects come from? Economically, Obama is a center-right Chi-schooler.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 05:22 AM
Mar 2012

I have an idea, McNothing . . . why don't you ASK an actual socialist if President Obama IS one? I'm sure she'll give you the answer, right after she's recovered from doubling over laughing.

Socialists institute a progressive tax system, which means taxing the wealthy, which Obama steadfastly refuses to do.

Socialists would institute Universal Health Care or some kind of single/multi-payer system, not throw the American people to the Humana/Wellpoint/Cigna crapcake we have now.

Socialists would institute a universal higher education program, not throw a six-digit anvil of debt on the backs of our young.

There's no real socialism in this country. Our "socialism" primarily consists of bailing out unbridled capitalism when it inevitably fails every seven years. Our social safety nets are fucking terrible compared to other industrialized nations. The only "SOSHULIZM" happening in this country is flowing UPward and to the Pentasewer, not "Trickling Down".

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
37. The people that accuse Obama of being a Socialist
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 01:01 PM
Mar 2012

Don't know what the word means.


Or the words "Plutocracy" or "Fascist".

cstanleytech

(26,334 posts)
44. Pardon but question for you.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 04:36 PM
Mar 2012

"Socialists institute a progressive tax system, which means taxing the wealthy, which Obama steadfastly refuses to do."

You did know that only the congress and senate can raise taxes and that no president can issue an order to do so nor has Obama said no to raising income taxes on those earning higher incomes?
So how exactly does your claim make any sense in light of those actual facts.................at all?

JohnnyRingo

(18,665 posts)
7. Thank goodness he left off the horns.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 05:40 AM
Mar 2012

I'm sure it was just an oversight, but the look on Obama's face is absolutely demonic, so it's a wash.

I've seen this nutjob's work before, and I'm glad to see he's been keeping himself busy since his painting that shows Reagan as a saintly figure among liberal sinners. He claims not to be partisan and goes out of his way to avoid darker pigments when illustrating his role models.

What an ass.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
9. that needs a bucket of green paint thrown on it
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 06:18 AM
Mar 2012

I'll bet his parents collect their social security and medicare checks every month...

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
10. As an artist myself I agree with you
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:30 AM
Mar 2012

What a waste of talent. Religious fervor in paintings where personages are depicted as godlike or satanic ruins everything about them. It's really kind of sickening isn't it?

RitchieRich

(292 posts)
36. ...as an artist...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:59 PM
Mar 2012

I'm torn by his wasted talent. He's creating bs political cartoons fit for Rush. like if Michelangelo carved marble toilets.

I don't believe there is any point in pretending he isn't talented. While agreeing completely with the critic, I wonder about someone's general sincerity if they say his technique is poor. Maybe its just a sore area for me as I'm you know, amazingly talented and have always been torn up at critiques.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
39. if they say his technique is poor.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 01:15 PM
Mar 2012

What is endearing, memorable, and even unique about his technique? I've seen billboards with more interesting technique. It's like one of those blond-haired, blue robed Jesus paintings you see in so many cheap bibles. Very art-school. Not mature or expressive at all. Sorta competent is all it is. Average commercial art. I mean, look at the hand holding the Constitution: so many sausages, not a hand with fingers. Notice how the fire emits no light.

Let's look at his "Jesus w/Constitution" painting... Again, more sausages holding the Constitution. I question the drapery of Jesus' robe around the knees. Does the golden robe have long sleeves to the floor or not? Just on Jesus' left arm? not the right? Is the light coming from Jesus' head? It appears to be so on the figures in the foreground, but it appears to be coming from the right on the figures in the background. Ben Franklin seems to be huge compared to the WWI soldier to the left of him....

shall we go on?

Not art with a capital "A".

“There are numerous symbols and subtleties in this painting, and I’m not ready to reveal all of them,” McNaughton said.

Shouldn't the painting reveal them itself?

onenote

(42,782 posts)
52. Every artist I've ever known would be appalled at the idea of destroying
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:23 AM
Mar 2012

art as an acceptable response to disapproval of said art. As one artist friend once said to me after some right winger tried to destroy a painting they deemed to be sacrilegious: a world in which it is appropriate to destroy art with which one disagrees is a world that will soon be devoid of art.

What this painting needs is what most posters here are doing: criticism and rebuttal.

Vinca

(50,318 posts)
11. Socialism? Honestly? Enshrining big insurance is socialism?
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:43 AM
Mar 2012

Corporations making record profits is socialism? I wish we had socialism here.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
33. If I could I would get the hell out of here and move
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:49 PM
Mar 2012

as fast as I could to a Northern European socialist nation. USA USA USA, sucks.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
35. Well,
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 12:55 PM
Mar 2012

I've decided to stay, and use Satyagraha and non-violence to reclaim our nation. I hope you'll consider doing the same.

ProgressiveATL

(50 posts)
12. Art it's not
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:13 AM
Mar 2012

Aristotle said art is derived from truth, one step from reality. Not so this work!

Satire? Nah, satire also requires some truth at core.

Comedy? Umm, not funny.

So, trash? Yes!

Conservatives make terrible creatives because they are scared of anything new:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110903142411.htm
""Our findings imply a deep irony," wrote the authors, who also include Jennifer Mueller of the University of Pennsylvania and Shimul Melwani of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. "Revealing the existence and nature of a bias against creativity can help explain why people might reject creative ideas and stifle scientific advancements, even in the face of strong intentions to the contrary."

Art requires nonrigid thinking, well beyond the capacity of conservatives.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. Here's Shakespeare doing Aristotle
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:52 AM
Mar 2012

"Suit the action to the word, the word to the action, with this
special observance, that you o'erstep not the modesty of nature:
for any thing so o'erdone is from the purpose of playing, whose
end, both at the first and now, was and is, to hold as 'twere the
mirror up to nature: to show virtue her feature, scorn her own
image, and the very age and body of the time his form and
pressure"
Hamlet Act 3, scene 2, 17–24

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
13. McN: adolescent comic book approach to art, and an infantile grasp of political economy. McArt
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:17 AM
Mar 2012

Probably too static to even be successful as a comic book.

hatrack

(59,594 posts)
16. Ah, yes; the Thomas Kinkade of political painting
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 08:32 AM
Mar 2012

After seeing a few of this clown's assprints, it makes you long for smiling Chinese peasants bringing in the harvest beneath the beneficent gaze of Chairman Mao.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
19. a bit heavy handed
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:03 AM
Mar 2012

there's approximately 3,500 political cartoons published every day with more trenchant commentary than that painting.

emulatorloo

(44,211 posts)
20. Love the "mean face" he painted on Obama.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 10:12 AM
Mar 2012

Hope the Koch's pay this guy lots of money for that silly painting.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
25. I don't know about the title, but the artist says:
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:24 AM
Mar 2012

McNaughton tells CBSDC that the hands “represents his recognition of what is happening (to the Constitution) as it goes up.”

“There are numerous symbols and subtleties in this painting, and I’m not ready to reveal all of them,” McNaughton said.

left coaster

(1,093 posts)
26. The only thoughts this crap provokes are ones of hate and ignorance..
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:31 AM
Mar 2012

..and calling this person an 'artist' is like saying that those guys who sew those white costumes with the pointy hoods are 'fashion designers'..

 

MikeOlsen

(62 posts)
27. Meanwhile Shepard Fairey
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:33 AM
Mar 2012

could face six months in prison, a year of supervised release and a $5,000 fine. He will be sentenced in July.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
28. Yeesh, another Boris Vallejo type hack-painter in the making...
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 11:34 AM
Mar 2012

Yeesh, another Boris Vallejo type hack-painter in the making...

pa28

(6,145 posts)
40. How did he convince himself that Obama is a socialist?
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:20 PM
Mar 2012

Where was this guy when Bush was shredding the Constitution?

McNaughton's glorified editorial cartoons make no sense at all in their interpretation of reality or history. He caters to the ignorant and apparently he's doing fairly well at it.

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
55. yes, I was going to say, the corporate media, especially faux network,
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 10:56 AM
Mar 2012

told him obama is a socialist; therefore, obama is a socialist. They don't have to make any valid points why obama is a socialist-they just have to keep repeating he's a socialist. When in reality, obama is a corporatist, like little boots, clinton, reagan. Some just care about the proles a little more than others.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
41. ... Under socialism for the communist rich.
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 03:21 PM
Mar 2012

The rich get to communalize with their corporate funded think tanks socializing their losses and only capitalizing on the poor for bigger profits.

RobinA

(9,898 posts)
42. I Guess
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 04:19 PM
Mar 2012

I was absent from Civics class the day they talked about socialism and the constitution being mutually exclusive. Although this seems to be a common understanding. I sometimes think Obama and the constitution are mutually exclusive, though, but I do have a suspicion that he does know better in his heart of hearts.

JHB

(37,163 posts)
47. How is it I could correctly guess who this was by the end of the second sentence?
Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:44 PM
Mar 2012

And I don't mean the name, that means nothing to me. I mean "the guy who made that 'Jesus delivers the Constitution while the guys who wrote it and left him out, assorted soldiers, and some token you-know-whats look on reverently, and the liberals at the bottom right cower in shame' painting" (as seen in a post above, without the correcting word balloons).

Clearly, the description made it right up his alley. Asteroid stirkes have more subtlety than this guy.




jmowreader

(50,567 posts)
51. Someone needs to do another painting...
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 05:16 AM
Mar 2012

Is there anyone who'd like to do a painting of Jesus whacking Jon McNaughton upside the head with a baseball bat?

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