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IDemo

(16,926 posts) Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:33 AM Apr 2014

Pilot Missing After 2 Planes Collide in California

Source: ABC News

Crews were searching the northern part of San Francisco Bay for a pilot after two small planes collided while heading home from a show, sending one aircraft crashing into the water while the other one safely reached its destination.

Debris was found in San Pablo Bay after Sunday afternoon's collision near the Richmond-San Rafael Bridge, Coast Guard Petty Officer Loumania Stewart said. Crews have not found signs of the downed pilot, but officials said they planned to search through the night.

The collision involved a single-engine Cessna 210 and a single-engine Hawker Sea Fury TMK 20, Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor said.

The Cessna went into the bay and the Sea Fury's pilot was able to land 40 minutes later at Eagle's Nest Airport in the small Northern California city of Ione, Gregor said.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/planes-collide-northern-san-francisco-bay-23492175

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Pilot Missing After 2 Planes Collide in California (Original Post) IDemo Apr 2014 OP

The Hawker is a very rare and expensive machine. mn9driver Apr 2014 #1

Only propeller driven fighter to shoot down a Jet (Mig-15) AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #2

The A-1 Skyraider also shot down a Jet, a MIG-17 during Vietnam happyslug Apr 2014 #4

I sit corrected. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #5

60 ME-262s were shot down in WWII Major Nikon Apr 2014 #6

Another possibility is they simply lost sight of each other Major Nikon Apr 2014 #3

mn9driver

(4,425 posts)

1. The Hawker is a very rare and expensive machine.

Reply to IDemo (Original post)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:15 AM

Apr 2014

I expect that the two pilots were intentionally flying in loose formation, either for fun or for photo purposes.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)

2. Only propeller driven fighter to shoot down a Jet (Mig-15)

Reply to mn9driver (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:29 AM

Apr 2014

happyslug

(14,779 posts)

4. The A-1 Skyraider also shot down a Jet, a MIG-17 during Vietnam

Reply to AtheistCrusader (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:47 PM

Apr 2014

Now, the A-1 was a attack plane, but whose speed matched the last generation of prop fighters.

http://vnafmamn.com/Skyraider_vs_MIG17.html

A ME-262 was shot down by P-51s in November 1944:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262

Tempests also scored a number of kills against the new German jets, including the Messerschmitt Me 262. Hubert Lange, a Me 262 pilot, said: "the Messerschmitt Me 262's most dangerous opponent was the British Hawker Tempest — extremely fast at low altitudes, highly-manoeuvrable and heavily-armed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Tempest

The Hawker Sea Fury also shot down a MIG:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Sea_Fury

A F4 Corsair shot down a MIG-15 during Korea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F4U-5NL_Corsair#Korean_War

In combat Jets tended to beat out prop planes, that was NOT always the case.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)

5. I sit corrected.

Reply to happyslug (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:02 PM

Apr 2014

Thank you for finding that. I thought the only other kills were from self-defense measures on, for instance, bombers.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

6. 60 ME-262s were shot down in WWII

Reply to AtheistCrusader (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:23 PM

Apr 2014

Some of them by fighters. 3 Tuskeege airmen each shot down a ME-262 on March 24, 1945.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)

3. Another possibility is they simply lost sight of each other

Reply to mn9driver (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:03 PM

Apr 2014

The Cessna is a high-wing and the Hawker is a low-wing. If the Hawker was above the Cessna they may have lost visual contact while simply traveling back to the same airport at the same time.

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