Madison High School student with 3 loaded guns in custody
Source: KSAT-12 News, San Antonio
SAN ANTONIO -
A 17-year-old Madison High School student was in police custody Monday after he was caught with three loaded weapons on campus, North East Independent School District spokeswoman Aubrey Chancellor said.
More at this link, as well:
http://www.kens5.com/news/Student-found-with-weapons-at-Madison-High-School-spokeswoman-says-256997981.html
"NEISD officials said the parents requested that administrators search his backpack, where they allegedly found two guns, a knife and additional magazines of ammunition. Officials said the student admitted to hiding an AK-47 in the restroom, too.
Read more: http://www.ksat.com/news/madison-high-school-student-found-with-3-loaded-guns/25694804
This after a vague threat to schools in the San Antonio area last Thursday.
Kudos to these parents for acting quickly. This could have ended much worse.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Orrex
(63,213 posts)It's not like he was carrrying the AK-47.
hack89
(39,171 posts)as they should.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Possession in this case is likely illegal, certainly for the handguns, but likely for the long guns too.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)Think of how responsible he'll be when he's old enough to vote!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)We want to disqualify certain people from possessing, right?
Why always (not necessarily you, but someone) derision when it is pointed out that the act attempted was already unlawful? This could lead to someone (whoever provided the guns) getting prosecuted. That's a good thing right?
It is problematic that he was stopped much later than when he acquired the firearms, but it gives us tools to keep him in jail longer for evaluation, tools to prosecute people who transferred the firearms, etc.
I see that as a small 'win'.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)At the asshole who walked around stroking his barrel at the little league game, for instance.
Obviously it's a "win" that this kid was prevented from harming anyone, but the underlying trend toward gun-permissiveness remains troubling.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The 'all the time' thing is actually hyperbole. It is fairly normal to allow the carry of firearms in the unsecured area of airports. By far the normal condition. So too with Churches. It's up to the property owner to deny it, if they choose.
There was only one item of the Georgia law that isn't 100% parity with Washington State; carry in bars. We don't have that. THAT was unusual, but both states have express state-wide statutes forbidding the possession of a firearm while under the influence.
I see any attempt to level or bring the various state's laws on this issue into parity/agreement, as beneficial. The less confusion we have in our gun laws, the easier enforcement gets.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)So how can this be related?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/gun-carry-rights-expanded-ga-law-23441836
Orrex
(63,213 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)I don't care if they were bought, stolen, or found.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)But stolen... No. No credible legal basis for that.
As long as they were STOLEN, not 'stolen'-transferred. (A means of straw purchase)
onehandle
(51,122 posts)If a kid can steal your gun, you should be responsible for his actions equally.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)So, if someone breaks into my home while I am not home, cuts into my safe, and steals my firearms, I should be criminally responsible?
I have taken multiple measures to ensure my firearms do not fall into the wrong hands, but against a determined enough adversary, I am not fort knox. I can be defeated.
Normally we don't hold people responsible for criminal acts performed by someone else with something of yours/mine that was lawfully owned.
Certainly not without some safe storage laws on the books. (Which I do support)
hack89
(39,171 posts)should I be equally responsible if he kills someone with it?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)If a kid can steal YOUR car, should YOU be responsible if he kills someone with it?
hack89
(39,171 posts)the legal system does not need to start punishing the victims of crimes.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)It is unknown whether he was planning a mass shooting, but Chancellor said he told district police that he intended to make some demands over the intercom system, although she did not know what those were. He told authorities that if the demands were not met, he had planned on committing violence, Chancellor said. She did not know whether he had a history of violence or mental health issues.
Everyone is safe, Chancellor said.
The student's parents had reported him as a runaway that morning and arrived at the school after it was determined that he was there, Chancellor said. During a meeting with school officials and their son, the student's parents asked that his backpack be checked, Chancellor said. After finding two loaded guns and the knife, his parents asked him where the third gun was, Chancellor said.
So it seems at this point that the guns came from the student's home, the district spokeswoman added.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Armed-Madison-High-School-student-arrested-5435172.php
In this case at least the parents worked with the police and may have averted a tragedy. Which doesn't address that families should not be leaving firearms where their children, no matter their age, can have access to them.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)The parents at least came forward quickly and I'm sure that was not an easy thing for them, but certainly it was the right thing.
As you indicate, that doesn't address how the student was able to have access to the guns, but of course, this is Texas where just about every eight year old has a gun. This needs to change!
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)that your personal opinion carries much weight in legal matters.
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)to stop this one.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)msongs
(67,412 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)our society and the underlying factors enabling this type of behavior seen as a solution to ones grievances/feelings.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:19 PM - Edit history (1)
caught with a switchblade ... or smoking in the boy's bathroom. One of my friends used to carry brass knuckles in his back pocket. I used to carry a small regular knife in my pocket. Someone brought in a parachute trooper's spring loaded knife into school one day, that was a no. There were really no rules about this stuff way back then ... except no smoking in the boy's bathroom and absolutely no switch blades. ... but the kid's really had no intent for harm, at least in our school in the suburbs.
Now, everything has radically changed. I think today I would be frightened in school of WTF is next. We did have one kid try to blow the school up way back then, today, it's hard to tell what they would have done.
AllyCat
(16,188 posts)He'd have been lauded as a hero by the militia.
Bigredhunk
(1,350 posts)What a crazy ass mindset we have re: guns in America.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Just pointing out the term "AK-47" can include a lot of weapons that most people do not considered "evil weapons".
The issue should be WHY did this student want one in SCHOOL.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)But the civilian version of the AK-47 type of rifle
Just like an AR-15 is not an M16
It is just a semi-automatic rifle, just looks scary
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)rifles then semi auto rifles., just ordered a military grade K31.
I think it looks quite nice and should be very accurate
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I think it is just another semi-automatic rifle, just like this
happyslug
(14,779 posts)In this case the child was 17 and thus the laws of Texas in regard to Children and guns do NOT apply:
http://blog.matthewharrislaw.com/index_files/GunsandKids.htm
PENAL CODE
TITLE 10. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND MORALS
CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm
Here is Texas association of School Board on weapons in Schools:
https://www.tasb.org/Services/Legal-Services/TASB-School-Law-eSource/Business/documents/guns_on_sch_property_sept2013.aspx
The above document cite the Federal Ban on Federal Arms near schools, then ignores US vs Lopez, which rules such a FEDERAL law was unconstitutional:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=514&invol=549
Through the above paper does include the PRESENT wording of 18 USC 922 (q) in that it includes the words "Interstate Commerce":
The paper then goes into TEXAS law which covers the same subject and is clearly constitutional:
Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
10 Tex Penal Code Section 46.03(a)(1)
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm
And 10 PA Penal Code 46.13. Making A Fireamr accessible to a Child":
(1) "Child" means a person younger than 17 years of age.
(2) "Readily dischargeable firearm" means a firearm that is loaded with ammunition, whether or not a round is in the chamber.
(3) "Secure" means to take steps that a reasonable person would take to prevent the access to a readily dischargeable firearm by a child, including but not limited to placing a firearm in a locked container or temporarily rendering the firearm inoperable by a trigger lock or other means.
(b) A person commits an offense if a child gains access to a readily dischargeable firearm and the person with criminal negligence:
(1) failed to secure the firearm; or
(2) left the firearm in a place to which the person knew or should have known the child would gain access.
(c) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the child's access to the firearm:
(1) was supervised by a person older than 18 years of age and was for hunting, sporting, or other lawful purposes;
(2) consisted of lawful defense by the child of people or property;
(3) was gained by entering property in violation of this code; or
(4) occurred during a time when the actor was engaged in an agricultural enterprise.
(d) Except as provided by Subsection (e), an offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.
(e) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor if the child discharges the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury to himself or another person.
(f) A peace officer or other person may not arrest the actor before the seventh day after the date on which the offense is committed if:
(1) the actor is a member of the family, as defined by Section 71.003, Family Code, of the child who discharged the firearm; and
(2) the child in discharging the firearm caused the death of or serious injury to the child.
(g) A dealer of firearms shall post in a conspicuous position on the premises where the dealer conducts business a sign that contains the following warning in block letters not less than one inch in height:
"IT IS UNLAWFUL TO STORE, TRANSPORT, OR ABANDON AN UNSECURED FIREARM IN A PLACE WHERE CHILDREN ARE LIKELY TO BE AND CAN OBTAIN ACCESS TO THE FIREARM."