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hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:41 PM Apr 2014

Madison High School student with 3 loaded guns in custody

Source: KSAT-12 News, San Antonio

SAN ANTONIO -
A 17-year-old Madison High School student was in police custody Monday after he was caught with three loaded weapons on campus, North East Independent School District spokeswoman Aubrey Chancellor said.





More at this link, as well:

http://www.kens5.com/news/Student-found-with-weapons-at-Madison-High-School-spokeswoman-says-256997981.html

"NEISD officials said the parents requested that administrators search his backpack, where they allegedly found two guns, a knife and additional magazines of ammunition. Officials said the student admitted to hiding an AK-47 in the restroom, too.


Read more: http://www.ksat.com/news/madison-high-school-student-found-with-3-loaded-guns/25694804



This after a vague threat to schools in the San Antonio area last Thursday.

Kudos to these parents for acting quickly. This could have ended much worse.
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Madison High School student with 3 loaded guns in custody (Original Post) hamsterjill Apr 2014 OP
Too bad for him that he wasn't in Georgia Orrex Apr 2014 #1
It is very much illegal in Georgia too. nt hack89 Apr 2014 #6
Seriously? Wow. Orrex Apr 2014 #8
The handguns in the backpack are enough to put him away for a long time hack89 Apr 2014 #9
He's not 18. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #10
I'm sure that he's simply a fledgling responsible gun owner. Orrex Apr 2014 #12
I don't understand the sarcasm. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #15
The sarcasm is directed at the all-guns-all-the-time legislation in Georgia Orrex Apr 2014 #16
I saw the Georgia issue as equalizing gun laws with other states. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #18
Law is not even in effect yet Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #29
I agree--he must be an assassin sent from the future Orrex Apr 2014 #37
Prison time for the source of the guns. onehandle Apr 2014 #2
Bought or otherwise transferred fine. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #11
Guns should be secured. onehandle Apr 2014 #13
Some kids are pretty resourceful. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #19
If a kid can steal my car hack89 Apr 2014 #20
the correct question Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #30
Not if they were stolen. hack89 Apr 2014 #14
It appears they came from his home herding cats Apr 2014 #23
Exactly! hamsterjill Apr 2014 #26
and we all know sweetapogee Apr 2014 #40
Well at least it didn'y take a "good guy with a gun" Mr.Bill Apr 2014 #3
Mercy shenmue Apr 2014 #4
a clear violation of his 2A rights eh? nt msongs Apr 2014 #5
I wonder whether it was his daddy or some other yahoo that introduced him to gun culture? Hoyt Apr 2014 #7
His parents were the one who turned him in? So you to punished them for that? happyslug Apr 2014 #24
Bet they got him into guns. Poor parenting. Hoyt Apr 2014 #33
The new normal? So sad. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #17
It is, isn't it. It's getting so it's just another day in school. All of this is a sad commentary on RKP5637 Apr 2014 #27
Agreed, and we have more traumatized kids, more than ever. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #39
Thinking way back, when I was in school about the worst was someone getting RKP5637 Apr 2014 #41
If only he had been in Georgia. AllyCat Apr 2014 #21
Who the F*CK needs an AK-47? Bigredhunk Apr 2014 #22
I once owned a Winchester 1300 shotgun, which used an AK type rotating bolt. happyslug Apr 2014 #25
The US is a gun fetish country IMO. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2014 #28
I am sure it was not an AK-47 Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #31
If it "just looks scary," what does that say about you guys attracted to them? Hoyt Apr 2014 #34
I have more old bolt action Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #35
Not impressed. First you have some "intimidating" semis. Second, you enjoy playing WWII. Hoyt Apr 2014 #38
I do not think they look scary, that would be your side Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #36
Texas law on Children and guns, $500 fine, but only if the child is UNDER age 17 happyslug Apr 2014 #32

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
10. He's not 18.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:08 PM
Apr 2014

Possession in this case is likely illegal, certainly for the handguns, but likely for the long guns too.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
12. I'm sure that he's simply a fledgling responsible gun owner.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:12 PM
Apr 2014

Think of how responsible he'll be when he's old enough to vote!

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
15. I don't understand the sarcasm.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:15 PM
Apr 2014

We want to disqualify certain people from possessing, right?

Why always (not necessarily you, but someone) derision when it is pointed out that the act attempted was already unlawful? This could lead to someone (whoever provided the guns) getting prosecuted. That's a good thing right?

It is problematic that he was stopped much later than when he acquired the firearms, but it gives us tools to keep him in jail longer for evaluation, tools to prosecute people who transferred the firearms, etc.


I see that as a small 'win'.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
16. The sarcasm is directed at the all-guns-all-the-time legislation in Georgia
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:21 PM
Apr 2014

At the asshole who walked around stroking his barrel at the little league game, for instance.

Obviously it's a "win" that this kid was prevented from harming anyone, but the underlying trend toward gun-permissiveness remains troubling.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
18. I saw the Georgia issue as equalizing gun laws with other states.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:28 PM
Apr 2014

The 'all the time' thing is actually hyperbole. It is fairly normal to allow the carry of firearms in the unsecured area of airports. By far the normal condition. So too with Churches. It's up to the property owner to deny it, if they choose.

There was only one item of the Georgia law that isn't 100% parity with Washington State; carry in bars. We don't have that. THAT was unusual, but both states have express state-wide statutes forbidding the possession of a firearm while under the influence.



I see any attempt to level or bring the various state's laws on this issue into parity/agreement, as beneficial. The less confusion we have in our gun laws, the easier enforcement gets.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. Bought or otherwise transferred fine.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:10 PM
Apr 2014

But stolen... No. No credible legal basis for that.

As long as they were STOLEN, not 'stolen'-transferred. (A means of straw purchase)

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
13. Guns should be secured.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:14 PM
Apr 2014

If a kid can steal your gun, you should be responsible for his actions equally.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
19. Some kids are pretty resourceful.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:31 PM
Apr 2014

So, if someone breaks into my home while I am not home, cuts into my safe, and steals my firearms, I should be criminally responsible?

I have taken multiple measures to ensure my firearms do not fall into the wrong hands, but against a determined enough adversary, I am not fort knox. I can be defeated.



Normally we don't hold people responsible for criminal acts performed by someone else with something of yours/mine that was lawfully owned.

Certainly not without some safe storage laws on the books. (Which I do support)

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
30. the correct question
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:16 PM
Apr 2014

If a kid can steal YOUR car, should YOU be responsible if he kills someone with it?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. Not if they were stolen.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:14 PM
Apr 2014

the legal system does not need to start punishing the victims of crimes.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
23. It appears they came from his home
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:01 PM
Apr 2014
The male student, 17, had three loaded guns and a 12-inch knife, said Aubrey Chancellor, a spokeswoman for North East Independent School District. One was an AK-47, the others were handguns, a .45 caliber and .22 caliber, with additional magazines in his backpack, she added.

It is unknown whether he was planning a mass shooting, but Chancellor said he told district police that he intended to make some demands over the intercom system, although she did not know what those were. He told authorities that “if the demands were not met, he had planned on committing violence,” Chancellor said. She did not know whether he had a history of violence or mental health issues.

“Everyone is safe,” Chancellor said.

The student's parents had reported him as a runaway that morning and arrived at the school after it was determined that he was there, Chancellor said. During a meeting with school officials and their son, the student's parents asked that his backpack be checked, Chancellor said. After finding two loaded guns and the knife, his parents asked him where the third gun was, Chancellor said.

“So it seems at this point that the guns came from the student's home,” the district spokeswoman added.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Armed-Madison-High-School-student-arrested-5435172.php

In this case at least the parents worked with the police and may have averted a tragedy. Which doesn't address that families should not be leaving firearms where their children, no matter their age, can have access to them.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
26. Exactly!
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:10 PM
Apr 2014

The parents at least came forward quickly and I'm sure that was not an easy thing for them, but certainly it was the right thing.

As you indicate, that doesn't address how the student was able to have access to the guns, but of course, this is Texas where just about every eight year old has a gun. This needs to change!

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
27. It is, isn't it. It's getting so it's just another day in school. All of this is a sad commentary on
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:11 PM
Apr 2014

our society and the underlying factors enabling this type of behavior seen as a solution to ones grievances/feelings.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
41. Thinking way back, when I was in school about the worst was someone getting
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:32 AM
Apr 2014

Last edited Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:19 PM - Edit history (1)

caught with a switchblade ... or smoking in the boy's bathroom. One of my friends used to carry brass knuckles in his back pocket. I used to carry a small regular knife in my pocket. Someone brought in a parachute trooper's spring loaded knife into school one day, that was a no. There were really no rules about this stuff way back then ... except no smoking in the boy's bathroom and absolutely no switch blades. ... but the kid's really had no intent for harm, at least in our school in the suburbs.

Now, everything has radically changed. I think today I would be frightened in school of WTF is next. We did have one kid try to blow the school up way back then, today, it's hard to tell what they would have done.



 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
25. I once owned a Winchester 1300 shotgun, which used an AK type rotating bolt.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:05 PM
Apr 2014

Just pointing out the term "AK-47" can include a lot of weapons that most people do not considered "evil weapons".

The issue should be WHY did this student want one in SCHOOL.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
31. I am sure it was not an AK-47
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:19 PM
Apr 2014

But the civilian version of the AK-47 type of rifle

Just like an AR-15 is not an M16

It is just a semi-automatic rifle, just looks scary

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
35. I have more old bolt action
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:08 PM
Apr 2014

rifles then semi auto rifles., just ordered a military grade K31.



I think it looks quite nice and should be very accurate
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
36. I do not think they look scary, that would be your side
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:17 PM
Apr 2014

I think it is just another semi-automatic rifle, just like this

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
32. Texas law on Children and guns, $500 fine, but only if the child is UNDER age 17
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:40 PM
Apr 2014

In this case the child was 17 and thus the laws of Texas in regard to Children and guns do NOT apply:

http://blog.matthewharrislaw.com/index_files/GunsandKids.htm


PENAL CODE

TITLE 10. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND MORALS

CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm

Here is Texas association of School Board on weapons in Schools:

https://www.tasb.org/Services/Legal-Services/TASB-School-Law-eSource/Business/documents/guns_on_sch_property_sept2013.aspx

The above document cite the Federal Ban on Federal Arms near schools, then ignores US vs Lopez, which rules such a FEDERAL law was unconstitutional:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=514&invol=549

Through the above paper does include the PRESENT wording of 18 USC 922 (q) in that it includes the words "Interstate Commerce":

It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.


The paper then goes into TEXAS law which covers the same subject and is clearly constitutional:

Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):

(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;

10 Tex Penal Code Section 46.03(a)(1)

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm


And 10 PA Penal Code 46.13. Making A Fireamr accessible to a Child":

Sec. 46.13. MAKING A FIREARM ACCESSIBLE TO A CHILD. (a) In this section:
(1) "Child" means a person younger than 17 years of age.
(2) "Readily dischargeable firearm" means a firearm that is loaded with ammunition, whether or not a round is in the chamber.
(3) "Secure" means to take steps that a reasonable person would take to prevent the access to a readily dischargeable firearm by a child, including but not limited to placing a firearm in a locked container or temporarily rendering the firearm inoperable by a trigger lock or other means.

(b) A person commits an offense if a child gains access to a readily dischargeable firearm and the person with criminal negligence:
(1) failed to secure the firearm; or
(2) left the firearm in a place to which the person knew or should have known the child would gain access.


(c) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the child's access to the firearm:
(1) was supervised by a person older than 18 years of age and was for hunting, sporting, or other lawful purposes;
(2) consisted of lawful defense by the child of people or property;
(3) was gained by entering property in violation of this code; or
(4) occurred during a time when the actor was engaged in an agricultural enterprise.

(d) Except as provided by Subsection (e), an offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.

(e) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor if the child discharges the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury to himself or another person.

(f) A peace officer or other person may not arrest the actor before the seventh day after the date on which the offense is committed if:
(1) the actor is a member of the family, as defined by Section 71.003, Family Code, of the child who discharged the firearm; and
(2) the child in discharging the firearm caused the death of or serious injury to the child.

(g) A dealer of firearms shall post in a conspicuous position on the premises where the dealer conducts business a sign that contains the following warning in block letters not less than one inch in height:

"IT IS UNLAWFUL TO STORE, TRANSPORT, OR ABANDON AN UNSECURED FIREARM IN A PLACE WHERE CHILDREN ARE LIKELY TO BE AND CAN OBTAIN ACCESS TO THE FIREARM."

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