Expect to see more and more of this kind of response to public servants as they try to enforce the law in rural and outlying areas. The gun mentality is killing us all. From one extreme (inner city and suburbia police continue to unnecessarily brutalize citizens in mere traffic stops and stop and search) to the other (rural and wasteland poachers continue to disobey and disrespect the law and the government and kill at will.) Karma is a real bitch! Our children and grandchildren will suffer more than we unless drastic changes take place within the civil conscience.

resolve their problems the way this guy and oathkeepers and so on do...

Peace keepers become less lawless, so does the public these so called peace keepers terrorize. The sad part of law enforcement is when court cases finally are scheduled, the supposed assailant is overwhelmed by the amount of money it will cost to fight any charges brought before our hugely lopsided court systems. It's very sad that these troopers died doing their jobs, but as the public becomes more aware of the lawlessness of our peace keepers, it's only gonna get worse.

whatsoever that these troopers were doing anything but their job? And yes, if you shoot someone IN THE BACK you damned well better have a good lawyer because you're going to need it.

This has nothing to do with the "public becomes more aware of the lawlessness of our peacekeepers" and EVERYTHING to do with gun humpers feeling the need to get to use their pew pew toys on anything living. The amazing thing is that someone came on a liberal discussion board trying to justify their actions.

Were they shot in the back? Was there a fight here, or are we being fed the wrong or twisted info based on evidence in this country of lies the police tell everyday, I will not side with police. It has everything to do with lawlesness of peace keepers. Troopers rarely act in a completely lawful manner. The fact that courts cost more than they should is huge in this country.

Troopers flew into that remote region to arrest an Athabascan Native for driving without a license. This if FBI jursidiction because it is a reservation. Arresting someone for driving without a license on a reservation where natives (Eskimoes) don't need a license to drive there. They should not have been there. And yes I feel saddened by this. Police should not be shot doing their jobs. But, they're sure is a lot of shoud'ves here.

You're saying these troopers weren't shot? WTF is "so called" about it?

I would be interested to know the sources of your information and "evidence"...and who pays them and what their philosophy on the NRA and scum bag freeloaders like Cliven Bundy are...I am willing to stipulate that there may be more to the story than is currently known, but unless the officers had guns drawn and were in the act of executing this charged suspect's father, there is no defense for opening fire on law enforcement and when you're quoted as providing a single statement of "I'm Sorry" at your arraignment, that is pretty damning "evidence" in many eyes.

Gun rights make otherwise decent people say and believe really malicious and wrong-headed things. I hope that you are just slightly carried away by passion and not what your comments appear to make you - a rightwing nut case troll.

The troopers were called in by an UNARMED village peacekeeper because Daddy dearest had threatened and brandished a gun at him. Apparently Daddy has a history of threatening behavior and the outstanding warrant was simply a way to get him off the street for a while.

Nearly everything you wrote is wrong. Tanana is a community, not a reservation. Tribal law does not apply here. Driver's licenses are required in Tanana. Athabascans are not Eskimos. State troopers were called because Kangas (the father) threatened a village public safety officer with a gun. Yes, there was drunk driving, driving w/o a license and threatening other members of the community, but it was threatening to shoot the VPSO that provoked the backup from the state troopers...as is required by protocol.

Are you in AK? ex-AK for me.

Everything you posted is bullshit.

at FR. I think it might be more to your liking.

deal with someone threatening others with a gun. They were in no way "lawless".

Beside the mumbo jumbo legalize that gets spoken?

I've noticed a marked increase in anti-police/anti-law enforcement posts on this board. Almost daily posts about police actions that go over the line . There seems to be a group on DU that equate the police with domestic terrorists . I am not naive enough to believe police are noble enforcers of objective abstract laws but are human beings subject to the foibles and emotions of humans. To constantly cast them as rampant demons with guns, makes me suspicious of the persons who constantly post such incidents.

If the bad ones were punished you wouldn't see posts like that. This is why minorities do not trust police.

And the problem is getting worse, not better.

The expression I have seen on DU.

But there is no evidence of misconduct by the troopers before they were shot and killed. They were engaged in a lawful arrest of a dangerous suspect.

I think that your point is ill-conceived.

Being a cop was much more dangerous 20 years ago than now. So was being a civilian, for that matter.

A fisherman is 5 times more likely to die in the line of duty than a cop.

FREEDUMB!

and with good reason. Seem the only thing law enforcement understand is armed insurrection like what's happening in Nevada. The local authorities refuse to deal with that situation. Put unarmed citizens peacefully protesting in front of heavily armed police, and the citizens are pepper sprayed, beaten and dragged off to jail. An unarmed citizen who's only crime is the color of his/her skin, and it takes 3 or 5 big, beefy cops to take them down.
Of course, the kid committed murder, but the gun mentality and police brutality will lead to more of these kinds of cases. It's a vicious, never ending cycle of violence that's taking hold in America.

and the courts? Our justice system is a mess.

several years ago. He was a Sheriff's deputy in Burleigh County, North Dakota, and died of a completely unexpected heart attack while running after a fleeing drunk driver. The Sheriff said something at the funeral that I had understood for many years, but I was surprised to hear it stated so openly by a law enforcement officer. He said that some enter law enforcement for wrong reasons. Some were bullies and saw the opportunity to carry on bullying in a career that would provide them ample opportunity to do so. Some had been bullied and saw law enforcement as an opportunity to reclaim power that they might have felt that they had lost in life. And some got into it for the right reasons - to dedicate their lives to the protection of others, while often placing themselves at risk.

So - people in law enforcement are people, with the same frailties as the rest of us. And with so many people owning weapons, even something so basic as a traffic stop for speeding requires that law enforcement officers prepare for the worst, over and over again.

Your generalizations of police brutality in the face of little resistance totally ignore the fact that the vast majority of arrests are conducted methodically and without brutality. It's not an easy job, and somebody has to do it.

has shown us, many people dread interactions with the police and prepare for the worst each time. This is combined with many stories of police abuse and even murder, with very little to no consequences for the police. Oscar Grant's murderer got 2 years in prison, minus time served. Any civilian would have gotten 10 or more years.
You want to fix the issue of mistrust of the police, stop letting the cops get away with crap.

We need law enforcement, but they need to enforce laws, not intimidate or harass (or worse) citizens because they're homeless, unwashed, protesting, or filming whatever the police are doing.
The police becoming more aggressive and militarized has fueled the crazy militias and gun nuts to further arm and fight. Now, we can say, most citizens are "good people" who would never react violently to police, but I'm one of those "good people" who want to keep my rights to peacefully protest or sleep on a park bench without the police reacting violently towards me.

to blame but themselves for violence done against them. Nearly everyone is angry about the increased use of deadly force. Many are upset about courts that don't hold officers accountable for abuse. Tired of seeing dogs shot for no reason. Some people are going to ask lawmakers and courts to do something about it. Others are going to shoot cops dead to try to stop this and protect their loved ones.

growing up in the inner city, 50+ years ago, I witnessed police brutality, mainly against minorities. "It's just a few bad apples, most cops are good" we were told over and over.

Too often, so called "good cops" cover up for the bad ones, the justice department will typically do nothing about police brutality, and when they do, juries are reluctant to convict cops, even in the face of video and overwhelming evidence. Could it be because of fear of retribution? For sure! Or maybe juries just consider cops regular people, like you do, who are put into situations where brutality seems to be the only option, even when 4 of these "regular people" beat a homeless man to death.
Police must be the law and act above the law at all times. I firmly believe when an unarmed citizen is severely injured or killed by a cop (or cops,) the cops should be fired immediately while criminal charges are investigated.

Look back at the demonstrations and freedom marches from the 50's and 60's. Look at the police reaction to the anti war demonstrations and to the Occupy protests. Today is the anniversary of the Kent State killings.

What this young man did in Alaska was murder and he will pay, but cops commit murder every day with little or no consequence.

Two things. One, condolences to the families of the Officers. Two, the words of the Sheriff were clear. What's sad too, is the Dad of the kid is reaping what he sowed. I support our Police Officers 100 percent, the Dad needs to go away. The Kid, does he deserve mercy? I know I wouldn't be impartial.

Once again, condolences to the families, and condolences to the Law Enforcement Profession.
Tom

yup

section of the newspaper?

Not so much entertainment from my point of view.

Tikki

maybe I don't know how to navigate that online paper but I couldn't find it in today's online or yesterday's online
under US & World news..

And I just happened to mention the newspaper was in texas because it was. If it had been an alaskan paper I
would have stated so, also.

Sorry, but there is nothing about this story that is entertainment and I am sure the State Trooper's families would agree.
Tikki

because….



Tikki

today's or yesterday's US & World news section. I looked and didn't find it.
I would like to think this tragedy meant more than just these murdered men's appearance on a TV show.


Tikki

I don't take time looking for news to visit the Entertainment section of newspapers around the country/world.

Not interested.

If you have problems with the link, and why it appears in Entertainment right now, contact the Houston Chronicle.

Sounds like a consequence of the proliferation of these weapons.

At best they will stop a 9mm handgun round. Vests come in different classes according to the level of protection they afford. The more protection the higher the weight and bulk. Most police opt for comfort if the have to wear a vest when on duty.

My review: Rapid fire. Little kick. Easy to point. Easy to shoot. Lots of rounds. Not even that loud.

And of course they beat police vests.

It is a lot of destructive power to give to a teenager.

with adult supervision. Accurate, adjustable, and with light recoil.

It is just a rifle.

the standard police vest, which is classified as IIA.

A list of levels are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_vest#Performance_standards

But man that's COLD.

deserve being killed.

Now let's put this into perspective. From 2001 up to and including these last 2 there have been 11 Alaskan law enforcement personnel deaths in the line of duty. 5 of those were airplane or automobile accidents. 1 was a corrections officer, 1 was a fish and wildlife officer, and 1 was a national park service employee conducting a moose tracking survey. Seems they stretched to pad the numbers to me.

From 1990-2006, 311 Alaskan commercial fishermen died on the job. Please tell me who I should be more concerned about? 11 in 13 years or 311 in 17 years. Here's a hint, I eat a lot of fish and like a growing number of Americans, I am fast becoming more fearful than pleased at the presence of a policeman.

people who die in all sorts of lines of work.

when I was a kid growing up in the early 60s and 70s I remember in school we had lessons about if you are lost ask a police officer. i even remember when police officers came to our schools. We were taught to trust the police. Now as an adult , I don't trust cops. Our country is suffering all across the board. I feel bad for these men and their families. Cops don't trust us and we don't trust them. When I walk down the street i am just nervous cause people snap all the time. Nowhere to turn sometimes. I have relatives who are cops and I always think something is going to happen to them. You see what happened there on the Bundy ranch, citizens were ready to shoot down the police.

didn't want to get a valid driver's license?