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alp227

(32,034 posts)
Thu May 15, 2014, 11:57 PM May 2014

Accreditors firm on deadline for closing City College of S.F.

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

Leaders of the commission seeking to revoke accreditation from City College of San Francisco said Thursday that they will not grant the school more time to fix its problems because U.S. Department of Education lawyers told their lawyers such an extension is prohibited.

Commission lawyers consulted the federal lawyers on Wednesday, the day The Chronicle published a story raising the possibility that the commission could adopt a policy allowing it to extend its July 31 revocation deadline to let the college avoid closure. Denise Horn, a spokeswoman for U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan, told The Chronicle on Monday that accrediting commissions can extend revocation deadlines indefinitely if doing so complies with their own policies.

Horn was clarifying a statement from Lynn Mahaffie, a senior accrediting director with the Education Department, who had told California Community College Chancellor Brice Harris in April that even though the commission had to initiate revocation within two years of finding the college out of compliance, the decision of whether to extend the revocation deadline "rests with the (commission) alone."

"It's gibberish," Barbara Beno, president of the Accrediting Commission for Community and Junior Colleges, said bluntly during a visit to The Chronicle with commission Chairwoman Sherrill Amador and Vice Chairman Steven Kinsella.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Accreditors-firm-on-deadline-for-closing-City-5482174.php

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Accreditors firm on deadline for closing City College of S.F. (Original Post) alp227 May 2014 OP
Which oligarch wants the land where City College is located? greatlaurel May 2014 #1
Not to mention all the for profit/wall street owned mills competing for the grants & students stuffmatters May 2014 #2
Not all for-profit owned schools are "diploma mills" davidpdx May 2014 #3
The accreditation organizations are open for corporate abuse against our public institutions greatlaurel May 2014 #4
I went to a public school for my undergrad and then a private catholic university for my master's davidpdx May 2014 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author greatlaurel May 2014 #5
I think you hit the nail on the head. greatlaurel May 2014 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #21
The school is bankrupt due to fiscal mismanagement hack89 May 2014 #7
the school is not bankrupt CreekDog May 2014 #10
"City College near bankruptcy, audit says" hack89 May 2014 #12
don't lecture me when you're saying that near bankruptcy is the same as bankruptcy CreekDog May 2014 #16
I notice you are ignoring the facts about their fiscal mess hack89 May 2014 #17
and City College land is not owned by the state CreekDog May 2014 #11
You are right - I wrongly assumed that public schools were on public land. hack89 May 2014 #13
You don't know what the "mess" is CreekDog May 2014 #15
The state reported that the school was insolvent hack89 May 2014 #18
Hmmm... perhaps a land swap is in order? KamaAina May 2014 #20
The local governement gets first dibs on the land for parks and recreation facilities hack89 May 2014 #14
That's only a side benefit KamaAina May 2014 #19
I'm taking a summer class there starting in June kimbutgar May 2014 #9

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
1. Which oligarch wants the land where City College is located?
Fri May 16, 2014, 12:30 AM
May 2014

Someone is sure in a hurry to close the place down. Sounds like a theft of public property taking place there. Hope the college beats these thieves disguised as an accrediting agency.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
2. Not to mention all the for profit/wall street owned mills competing for the grants & students
Fri May 16, 2014, 03:43 AM
May 2014

I'm sure Uni of Phoenix, For Sail and all the others have spent millions on forcing SFCC down, as it educates students for a fraction of the costs & actually teaches them something and or provides a basis to continue their publicly funded educations.

The stelh and relentless privatization of California's public community college and state university system is shocking and an absolute swindle of taxpayers and full assault on our students.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
3. Not all for-profit owned schools are "diploma mills"
Fri May 16, 2014, 06:59 AM
May 2014

(correcting the use of the term). I have no experience with University of Phoenix, but I am going to a for-profit school for my doctorate.

Holding accreditation is important because it speaks to the reputation of the university.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
4. The accreditation organizations are open for corporate abuse against our public institutions
Fri May 16, 2014, 09:20 AM
May 2014

There is a place for the for-profit schools, however, they should not be allowed to be the predominate institutions for education, especially for post secondary education, by basically shutting down and/or stealing our public institutions.

If the for-profits offered a superior educational experience, then they should out compete the public institutions for students. Unfortunately, the for-profits are using all manner of corporate shenanigans to shut down the public institutions to get rid of the competition rather than offering the students a vastly superior education to attract the students away from public institutions.

Who watches the accreditation organizations? There have been an awful lot of bad ideas and actions that have orginated from these accreditation outfits over the decades.

Good luck on furthering your education!

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
8. I went to a public school for my undergrad and then a private catholic university for my master's
Fri May 16, 2014, 10:17 AM
May 2014

I've seen all three types and each one has their problems. I agree the public schools are important and I am proud of the school I graduated from. That doesn't mean they should be the only choice. The other thing is different students have different needs. Distant learning has become more important. We need to make sure that the public school are offering it as well.

Response to stuffmatters (Reply #2)

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
6. I think you hit the nail on the head.
Fri May 16, 2014, 09:29 AM
May 2014

Push to shut down a public institution, then force the students into horrific student loans to pay for a far more expensive education at the for-profit institutions. The corporate money hogs never tire of stealing the public's money, do they? Maybe, they should spend some time developing a superior product to sell, then they would not have to steal tax dollars. That would mean they would actually have to work for a living, instead of being the ultimate takers, no chance of that.

I am surprised there is not more push back on this obvious theft of a public institution.

Response to stuffmatters (Reply #2)

hack89

(39,171 posts)
7. The school is bankrupt due to fiscal mismanagement
Fri May 16, 2014, 09:39 AM
May 2014

and thus cannot fund those things a college has to fund.

The land belongs to the state and will revert to them if the school closes.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
10. the school is not bankrupt
Fri May 16, 2014, 11:29 AM
May 2014

please stop posting ignorance.

there's plenty of information out there about the school, you have every opportunity to get it right.

of course, if the topic was a tiny component in a gun, would you take the time to get it right?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
12. "City College near bankruptcy, audit says"
Fri May 16, 2014, 11:40 AM
May 2014
City College of San Francisco is perilously close to bankruptcy, in part because it employs nearly twice as many faculty as similar colleges and pays them better - yet educates no more students on average, says a new financial analysis of the state's largest public school.

The college got into trouble because, unlike other colleges, it failed to make the budget cuts necessary to keep up with reductions in state funding, never set aside money for its growing retirement obligations, and "has provided salary increases and generous benefits with no discernible means to pay for them," says the review by the state's Fiscal Crisis & Management Assistance Team, authorized by state law to help public schools in financial trouble.

For example, many employees receive 23 paid holidays beyond vacation and work less than 40 hours a week.

As City College fights to retain its accreditation and stay open, the new report flings back the curtain on a series of management errors that may doom the college of 86,000 students - or help it, if it's not too late.


http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/City-College-near-bankruptcy-audit-says-3875651.php

As you were saying.

I see your emotional insulting factless posting style extends beyond guns. Not a suprise - you appear to be a very angry person.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
16. don't lecture me when you're saying that near bankruptcy is the same as bankruptcy
Fri May 16, 2014, 01:39 PM
May 2014

you got it wrong. deal with it.

next time actually learn about the issue before just throwing stuff out or else don't get upset when you're quickly corrected for ignorant statements.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. I notice you are ignoring the facts about their fiscal mess
Fri May 16, 2014, 02:18 PM
May 2014

Did you think the insults, anger and spittle would really distract people?

Show me that the state audit was wrong or admit you are making shit up.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
11. and City College land is not owned by the state
Fri May 16, 2014, 11:32 AM
May 2014

why are you posting stuff you obviously have no knowledge of?

are you helping? no. are you misleading? yes.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. You are right - I wrongly assumed that public schools were on public land.
Fri May 16, 2014, 11:48 AM
May 2014

However, state law does say that the land must be first offered to the local governement for parks and recreation at below market rates before they can be sold on the private market so hopefully the people of SF can benifit from this mess.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
15. You don't know what the "mess" is
Fri May 16, 2014, 01:36 PM
May 2014

you posted that the college was bankrupt, which is false.

i don't see any reason to rely on your knowledge since you've made incorrect statements in both your comments.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
18. The state reported that the school was insolvent
Fri May 16, 2014, 02:21 PM
May 2014

Last edited Fri May 16, 2014, 06:20 PM - Edit history (1)

With inadequate revenue to cover expenses. Now is the time to actually produce facts that refute the state audit.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
20. Hmmm... perhaps a land swap is in order?
Fri May 16, 2014, 02:58 PM
May 2014

I'm thinking of the gigantic parking lots across Phelan Avenue, that were once a city reservoir.



One wonders if there's a way to incorporate a park and rec center into a sorely needed affordable housing development. Even at below-market rates, CCSF gets to bolster its endowment, The City gets housing in a location convenient to Muni, and the students should be taking Muni anyway.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. The local governement gets first dibs on the land for parks and recreation facilities
Fri May 16, 2014, 11:49 AM
May 2014

according to state law.

Even so, the buildings cannot be sold until they are first offered "for park or recreational purposes" within the county at below-market prices, according to state law. If the Recreation and Parks Department doesn't want them, only then could they be sold at market prices.


http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/City-College-of-S-F-outlines-closing-plan-4917608.php

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
19. That's only a side benefit
Fri May 16, 2014, 02:52 PM
May 2014

the real issue is that the accrediting agency does not like CCSF's system of faculty governance. They prefer the newfangled system that features layers upon layers of professional administrators.

kimbutgar

(21,164 posts)
9. I'm taking a summer class there starting in June
Fri May 16, 2014, 10:56 AM
May 2014

But the area where the college is, plenty of redevelopment is going on they want that land or a for profit college is in cohorts with the accreditation people to take over.

But they will not succeed.....too many San Franciscans benefited from this college and will let them get away with this bogus power grab.

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