Accreditors firm on deadline for closing City College of S.F.
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
Leaders of the commission seeking to revoke accreditation from City College of San Francisco said Thursday that they will not grant the school more time to fix its problems because U.S. Department of Education lawyers told their lawyers such an extension is prohibited.
Commission lawyers consulted the federal lawyers on Wednesday, the day The Chronicle published a story raising the possibility that the commission could adopt a policy allowing it to extend its July 31 revocation deadline to let the college avoid closure. Denise Horn, a spokeswoman for U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan, told The Chronicle on Monday that accrediting commissions can extend revocation deadlines indefinitely if doing so complies with their own policies.
Horn was clarifying a statement from Lynn Mahaffie, a senior accrediting director with the Education Department, who had told California Community College Chancellor Brice Harris in April that even though the commission had to initiate revocation within two years of finding the college out of compliance, the decision of whether to extend the revocation deadline "rests with the (commission) alone."
"It's gibberish," Barbara Beno, president of the Accrediting Commission for Community and Junior Colleges, said bluntly during a visit to The Chronicle with commission Chairwoman Sherrill Amador and Vice Chairman Steven Kinsella.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Accreditors-firm-on-deadline-for-closing-City-5482174.php
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Someone is sure in a hurry to close the place down. Sounds like a theft of public property taking place there. Hope the college beats these thieves disguised as an accrediting agency.
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)I'm sure Uni of Phoenix, For Sail and all the others have spent millions on forcing SFCC down, as it educates students for a fraction of the costs & actually teaches them something and or provides a basis to continue their publicly funded educations.
The stelh and relentless privatization of California's public community college and state university system is shocking and an absolute swindle of taxpayers and full assault on our students.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)(correcting the use of the term). I have no experience with University of Phoenix, but I am going to a for-profit school for my doctorate.
Holding accreditation is important because it speaks to the reputation of the university.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)There is a place for the for-profit schools, however, they should not be allowed to be the predominate institutions for education, especially for post secondary education, by basically shutting down and/or stealing our public institutions.
If the for-profits offered a superior educational experience, then they should out compete the public institutions for students. Unfortunately, the for-profits are using all manner of corporate shenanigans to shut down the public institutions to get rid of the competition rather than offering the students a vastly superior education to attract the students away from public institutions.
Who watches the accreditation organizations? There have been an awful lot of bad ideas and actions that have orginated from these accreditation outfits over the decades.
Good luck on furthering your education!
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I've seen all three types and each one has their problems. I agree the public schools are important and I am proud of the school I graduated from. That doesn't mean they should be the only choice. The other thing is different students have different needs. Distant learning has become more important. We need to make sure that the public school are offering it as well.
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greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Push to shut down a public institution, then force the students into horrific student loans to pay for a far more expensive education at the for-profit institutions. The corporate money hogs never tire of stealing the public's money, do they? Maybe, they should spend some time developing a superior product to sell, then they would not have to steal tax dollars. That would mean they would actually have to work for a living, instead of being the ultimate takers, no chance of that.
I am surprised there is not more push back on this obvious theft of a public institution.
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hack89
(39,171 posts)and thus cannot fund those things a college has to fund.
The land belongs to the state and will revert to them if the school closes.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)please stop posting ignorance.
there's plenty of information out there about the school, you have every opportunity to get it right.
of course, if the topic was a tiny component in a gun, would you take the time to get it right?
hack89
(39,171 posts)The college got into trouble because, unlike other colleges, it failed to make the budget cuts necessary to keep up with reductions in state funding, never set aside money for its growing retirement obligations, and "has provided salary increases and generous benefits with no discernible means to pay for them," says the review by the state's Fiscal Crisis & Management Assistance Team, authorized by state law to help public schools in financial trouble.
For example, many employees receive 23 paid holidays beyond vacation and work less than 40 hours a week.
As City College fights to retain its accreditation and stay open, the new report flings back the curtain on a series of management errors that may doom the college of 86,000 students - or help it, if it's not too late.
http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/City-College-near-bankruptcy-audit-says-3875651.php
As you were saying.
I see your emotional insulting factless posting style extends beyond guns. Not a suprise - you appear to be a very angry person.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)you got it wrong. deal with it.
next time actually learn about the issue before just throwing stuff out or else don't get upset when you're quickly corrected for ignorant statements.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Did you think the insults, anger and spittle would really distract people?
Show me that the state audit was wrong or admit you are making shit up.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)why are you posting stuff you obviously have no knowledge of?
are you helping? no. are you misleading? yes.
hack89
(39,171 posts)However, state law does say that the land must be first offered to the local governement for parks and recreation at below market rates before they can be sold on the private market so hopefully the people of SF can benifit from this mess.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)you posted that the college was bankrupt, which is false.
i don't see any reason to rely on your knowledge since you've made incorrect statements in both your comments.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Last edited Fri May 16, 2014, 06:20 PM - Edit history (1)
With inadequate revenue to cover expenses. Now is the time to actually produce facts that refute the state audit.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I'm thinking of the gigantic parking lots across Phelan Avenue, that were once a city reservoir.
One wonders if there's a way to incorporate a park and rec center into a sorely needed affordable housing development. Even at below-market rates, CCSF gets to bolster its endowment, The City gets housing in a location convenient to Muni, and the students should be taking Muni anyway.
hack89
(39,171 posts)according to state law.
http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/City-College-of-S-F-outlines-closing-plan-4917608.php
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)the real issue is that the accrediting agency does not like CCSF's system of faculty governance. They prefer the newfangled system that features layers upon layers of professional administrators.
kimbutgar
(21,164 posts)But the area where the college is, plenty of redevelopment is going on they want that land or a for profit college is in cohorts with the accreditation people to take over.
But they will not succeed.....too many San Franciscans benefited from this college and will let them get away with this bogus power grab.