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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:14 AM Jun 2014

(San Francisco) Muni sickout causing delays across city

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

A sickout by Muni workers over a labor contract caused major service disruptions Monday morning, with cable cars canceled, express buses converted to locals and about two-thirds of coaches, trolleys and trains not making it onto the streets.

... The sickout comes amid displeasure over a proposed labor agreement that was the subject of a vote Friday by Muni operators. The outcome of the vote wasn't immediately known, but officials with Transport Workers Union Local 250-A had voiced concerns about the Municipal Transportation Agency's offer.

Under the proposal, the agency says, Muni workers would get 11.25 percent raises over two years, but they would pick up a 7.5 percent pension payment now paid by the MTA.

The contract would push operator pay to about $32 an hour July 1, making Muni drivers the second-highest-paid transit workers in the country, according to the MTA.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Muni-sickout-causing-delays-across-city-5522044.php

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(San Francisco) Muni sickout causing delays across city (Original Post) Newsjock Jun 2014 OP
Simple solution seveneyes Jun 2014 #1
A lot of people have no other means cosmicone Jun 2014 #4
Probably a terrible way to gather public support n/t taught_me_patience Jun 2014 #2
They're causing delays for thousands of commuters ... Auggie Jun 2014 #3
Reagan said that too about the air traffic controllers. alp227 Jun 2014 #5
The agreement was to arbitrate ... NOT STRIKE Auggie Jun 2014 #6
It's not necessarily a "Convenience to commuters" NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #23
This. n/t Psephos Jun 2014 #25
Yeah, the reason is that it changes the balance of power in union negotiations. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #7
The "sickout" is hurting union workers trying to get to their jobs too Auggie Jun 2014 #8
Union workers who understand this sickout should be in solidarity Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #11
I figured you would show up here at some point. KamaAina Jun 2014 #9
I figured you'd show up too. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #10
and a strike requires notice CreekDog Jun 2014 #22
Yes, I forgot to mention that. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #26
Hey what other private infoirmation do you plan on posting? CreekDog Jun 2014 #17
None. KamaAina Jun 2014 #19
If you have an issue with a facebook post, why are you posting that to DU? CreekDog Jun 2014 #20
I did not have an issue with the post KamaAina Jun 2014 #24
That's correct, we have discussed it. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #27
No one ever likes doing this. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #12
the irony is that when workers have the right to strike, only actual strikes are sanctioned CreekDog Jun 2014 #21
I'll bet Lyft and Uber cleaned up yesterday KamaAina Jun 2014 #13
Every day is a sick out with MUNI Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #14
ROFL! KamaAina Jun 2014 #15
so you're saying that workers calling in sick on any ordinary day is the cause of that? CreekDog Jun 2014 #18
I'm suggesting you ride MUNI Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #28
I do ride MUNI CreekDog Jun 2014 #29
What question? Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #30
Update: Sickout continues into Day 2 KamaAina Jun 2014 #16
 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
1. Simple solution
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:25 AM
Jun 2014

Just jack up the Muni rates to cover whatever increase the workers want for compensation. The Muni customers will either support them or they will find other means.

Auggie

(31,167 posts)
3. They're causing delays for thousands of commuters ...
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:59 AM
Jun 2014

"Muni workers, like all San Francisco city employees, are prohibited from striking." There's a reason for that.

Fuck them.

alp227

(32,020 posts)
5. Reagan said that too about the air traffic controllers.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 01:13 PM
Jun 2014

So convenience to commuters > workers' rights?

What is going ON at DU?

Auggie

(31,167 posts)
6. The agreement was to arbitrate ... NOT STRIKE
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jun 2014

Reagan was trying to bust unions. And fuck him too.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
23. It's not necessarily a "Convenience to commuters"
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jun 2014

Many people RELY on public transportation to get to their jobs. They can't get to work, or they show up late: they get fired. What about THEIR rights? They're workers, too.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
7. Yeah, the reason is that it changes the balance of power in union negotiations.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 02:04 PM
Jun 2014

Fuck unions. Who needs them? Workers always get a fair shake without collective bargaining.

Auggie

(31,167 posts)
8. The "sickout" is hurting union workers trying to get to their jobs too
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jun 2014

What good is an arbitration agreement if it's not honored?

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
11. Union workers who understand this sickout should be in solidarity
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 02:35 PM
Jun 2014

because some day it may be their turn to ask other union members to back them up too.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
9. I figured you would show up here at some point.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 02:23 PM
Jun 2014

Gormy regaled her FB audience the other day with the tale of a hot assembly race out her way (Concord), in which one of the candidates is a "BART union hater". I gently reminded her that transit employees in NYC, as in SF, are prohibited from striking, yet are still unionized.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
10. I figured you'd show up too.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jun 2014

And transit employees in NYC , Boston and other metros with strike limits resort to the same device MUNI is using here because they can't actually strike. A sick-out can't last for long. A strike can continue until both sides get serious at the bargaining table.

Barring strikes tips the scales in favor of management.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
26. Yes, I forgot to mention that.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 05:05 PM
Jun 2014

So had they been able to strike it would have given commuters a heads-up.


The other thing to remember that the arbitration process in lieu of ability to strike is a bad deal for labor. The arbitration process assumes that management's offer is sound unless the unions can prove otherwise.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
19. None.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jun 2014

She already took me to the woodshed. But thanks for playing.

I did not post her real name. Or mine, for that matter; you are one of a handful of DUers who knows it, maybe the only one who knows both. And I'm pretty sure I can trust you not to troll her. And as I told her, in the unlikely event I do find anyone trolling her, I will squash them so badly they will wish they had angered Pitt instead.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
20. If you have an issue with a facebook post, why are you posting that to DU?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:25 PM
Jun 2014

is this where we post our comments to a Facebook thread?

you should know better.

besides, why the hell do we have to support a prospective BART board member that the unions oppose?

which candidate do you think disability organizations would support? the anti-union one? doubtful.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
24. I did not have an issue with the post
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 03:01 PM
Jun 2014

I was offering it for informational purposes only. I do not support that prospective BART member.

As a matter of fact, we do have an issue with one particular union, SEIU-United Healthcare Workers, which is placing a detrimental mandatory training issue on the November ballot, but otherwise, you are correct; we generally do view labor as allies.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
27. That's correct, we have discussed it.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 05:19 PM
Jun 2014

Creeky wasn't part of the discussion and I've PMed him to clear that up.
Would still prefer that you hadn't posted it but you are aware of that.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
12. No one ever likes doing this.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 03:01 PM
Jun 2014

I'm sure the drivers take no joy in it. They wouldn't have taken this step without serious reasons.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
21. the irony is that when workers have the right to strike, only actual strikes are sanctioned
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 02:32 PM
Jun 2014

but when there is no outlet for frustration with a contract, you get these kinds of things.

a contract is an agreement not to strike during the term as long as the contract is adhered to.

being a MUNI operator has got to be one of the most challenging jobs out there. driving buses through San Francisco? it's hard enough to drive a car in San Francisco. making sure people don't get caught in the doors of streetcars? nightmare.

and all that for a salary that can't rent a house in San Francisco.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
13. I'll bet Lyft and Uber cleaned up yesterday
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:00 AM
Jun 2014

For those of you outside the Valley of All Things Tech, Lyft and Uber are ridesharing services that use smartphone apps to connect riders with people who basically use their private cars as taxis.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
14. Every day is a sick out with MUNI
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jun 2014

Wait 30 minutes for a bus only to have one pass by that refuses to stop. Bit of a joke really.

My favorite story was the bus driver who would take his bus and go deliver cocaine clear across town no where near his route.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Drug-probe-corners-Muni-driver-Police-think-bus-3313493.php

MUNI sucks

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
18. so you're saying that workers calling in sick on any ordinary day is the cause of that?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jun 2014

are you suggesting that all sick days at MUNI are illegitimate?

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. Update: Sickout continues into Day 2
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 12:08 PM
Jun 2014

a hundred more vehicles are on the street today, but it's still a mell of a hess.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Muni-sickout-continues-for-2nd-day-5524556.php

Tactically, I'm not sure about this. I thought they made their point rather emphatically yesterday.

AC Transit, the bus operator in the East Bay (Oakland, Berkeley and environs) faced a similar situation last year, when the drivers hated the contract the leadership came back with. So what did they do? They voted it down by a large margin. The parties returned to the bargaining table, and an acceptable contract was reached. So why isn't that happening here?

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Muni-sickout-causing-delays-across-city-5522044.php

Muni workers, like all San Francisco city employees, are prohibited from striking. Under a law approved by voters in 2010, if the union rejects the contract, the two sides go before an arbitrator who cannot rule against Muni management's proposals unless the union proves its interests outweigh "the public interest in efficient and reliable transit."

Union officials have complained that the standard is too high. In a statement on the union's website last week, Local 250-A President Eric Williams called the arbitration procedure "a lopsided and unfair process. The membership must take a stand, which will be communicated through your vote."


Humph. Looks like those notoriously liberal SF voters put the union in a bind. If they vote the contract down, the case goes to an arbitrator* who is instructed to side with management unless the union proves its case to some overwhelming standard.
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