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Javaman

(62,534 posts)
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:04 PM Mar 2012

Former vice president dick chaney undergoes heart transplant - Update

Source: MSNBC.COM

No link. Breaking news

Update:

Former Vice President Dick Cheney recovering after heart transplant

Former Vice President Dick Cheney was recovering Saturday at a hospital in Falls Church, Va., after undergoing a heart transplant, NBC News reported.
Cheney was in the Intensive Care Unit of Inova Fairfax Hospital in Falls Church, his officew said in a statement.
The former vice president has been on the cardiac transplant list for more than 20 months. In 2010, Cheney had a left ventricular assist device implanted for treatment of end-stage heart failure.
Although the former Vice President and his family do not know the identity of the donor, they will be forever grateful for this lifesaving gift.

Read more: http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/24/10847614-former-vice-president-dick-cheney-recovering-after-heart-transplant

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Former vice president dick chaney undergoes heart transplant - Update (Original Post) Javaman Mar 2012 OP
Usually they don't give transplants to people in their 70s mucifer Mar 2012 #1
Money talks. Or perhaps threats. kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #5
Probably paid for ... aggiesal Mar 2012 #34
When a neighbor was 79 (last year) Suich Mar 2012 #10
My dad had a kidney transplant at the age of 48, but due to the anti-rejection pacalo Mar 2012 #60
If you are in the 1%, you will get whatever you need liberal N proud Mar 2012 #67
now you know where much of the money went shanti Mar 2012 #101
I met a number of people at UCSF who had heart transplants after age 70 The Second Stone Mar 2012 #106
If Dick got a heart, somone had to die for him to get it. n/t fasttense Mar 2012 #112
I thought his was replaced with some whirring (non beating) annabanana Mar 2012 #2
He was! freethought Mar 2012 #26
It's called an LVAD... 3waygeek Mar 2012 #39
Why is an old alcohol abuser getting a heart? eom Kolesar Mar 2012 #57
He has an entire health team that travels with him wherever he goes, just crunch60 Mar 2012 #100
Since he wasn't born with one, how will they hook it up? TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #3
No doubt this is a better heart ... aggiesal Mar 2012 #22
Should be "implant". Scuba Mar 2012 #4
yep! Pryderi Mar 2012 #65
Here's a link cbayer Mar 2012 #6
Ah, I thought this was an Onion article. Darth was reported to have been suffering greatly. freshwest Mar 2012 #7
He has a heart? Initech Mar 2012 #8
He does now. Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #47
No. Not really. Left Coast2020 Mar 2012 #90
Who had to die for this? surrealAmerican Mar 2012 #9
Some unfortunate Chinese activist? They sold organs to the highest bidder, didn't donate them. freshwest Mar 2012 #63
No, Lynne or Liz just ripped it out of the chest of some poor innocent person.... Pachamama Mar 2012 #69
I wonder how many younger folks he stepped in front of at age 70 bigtree Mar 2012 #11
They don't necessarily go by age alone. There are a lot of factors. totodeinhere Mar 2012 #85
good info bigtree Mar 2012 #108
I would hope that he had to wait his turn on the list just like everyone else bluestateguy Mar 2012 #12
Ha. That'll be the day...please... CTyankee Mar 2012 #64
So the Wizard of Oz does exist? And he can give a heart Curmudgeoness Mar 2012 #13
If you do ever reconsider dipsydoodle Mar 2012 #21
A Hammond B3? aquart Mar 2012 #29
A Hammond B3 dipsydoodle Mar 2012 #36
Win mackattack Mar 2012 #74
Just saw that at his castle...very cool! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2012 #82
A very nice B3 (and bass pedals) with Leslie 122, there is no sound like it!!! winstars Mar 2012 #104
The back ground to the joke is dipsydoodle Mar 2012 #107
I'm not planning on going anywhere soon. Curmudgeoness Mar 2012 #46
LOL - "Wizard of Oz" was trending on Twitter at the same time as "Dick Cheney" NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #45
................. Curmudgeoness Mar 2012 #48
And the even funnier part is I'm pretty sure it was just coincidental! NYC Liberal Mar 2012 #96
The Chimp still needs brain pstokely Mar 2012 #111
I got lost on the yellow brick road...duh! nt Curmudgeoness Mar 2012 #117
Everybody! Hum along RufusTFirefly Mar 2012 #14
Was it a pigs heart? BootinUp Mar 2012 #15
Compatibility is very important Xipe Totec Mar 2012 #17
Nah, Rush wouldn't sell his. Maybe it was Breitbart's. n/t TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #25
+ 1000! El Supremo Mar 2012 #71
I would like to suggest OnyxCollie Mar 2012 #78
I must reconsider my donor card. rug Mar 2012 #16
+ 1 n/t peace13 Mar 2012 #19
I hope he lives long frogmarch Mar 2012 #18
'Aide Says Cheney Had Heart Transplant' elleng Mar 2012 #20
waste marshall gaines Mar 2012 #23
Will they have to drive a stake through his old one? Or bury it as toxic waste? LongTomH Mar 2012 #24
Aw, now, you... freshwest Mar 2012 #88
If he feels better, maybe he won't be such an asshole. nt Deep13 Mar 2012 #27
All those years of smoking.... Julian Englis Mar 2012 #28
Must hurt a lot. aquart Mar 2012 #30
not to worry folks, I'm sure his body will reject anything even ladywnch Mar 2012 #31
Brava AngryOldDem Mar 2012 #37
Isn't it wonderful jehop61 Mar 2012 #32
So what worthy soul didn't get a heart today? nt onehandle Mar 2012 #33
Probably someone like the people Olbermann featured on Countdown during the health care debate. AngryOldDem Mar 2012 #42
Maybe the Good Lord wanted to give me Turbineguy Mar 2012 #35
This will probably be deleted, but.... Th1onein Mar 2012 #38
There's still a chance. Go to the light, Dick. Go to the light! Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2012 #103
I am somehow reminded... LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #40
Cheney had a sphincter transplant and it rejected him... Snarkoleptic Mar 2012 #41
One more person dies for cheney Ohio Joe Mar 2012 #43
who did he have killed to get it? notadmblnd Mar 2012 #44
Travon Martin. NT Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #51
You beat me. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #97
Change of heart? Naw... (nt) reACTIONary Mar 2012 #49
I wonder who they killed to get a match larkrake Mar 2012 #50
Travon Martin. NT Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #52
really? Utterly insensitive and out of line IMHO auntAgonist Mar 2012 #68
I agree, a 71 year old war crimminal getting a heart is Utterly insensitive and out of line Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #122
Palpatine. nt guitar man Mar 2012 #53
And so he takes out another loan against humanity. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #54
wouldn't it be considered an initial installation rather than a replacement. olddad56 Mar 2012 #55
I won't share what I am thinking right now! Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2012 #56
A human could have used it. marias23 Mar 2012 #58
Bravo! n/t rzemanfl Mar 2012 #80
I wonder if the heart will reject the body? n/t davepdx Mar 2012 #59
I couldn't help but wonder too. Hmmm. Glimmer of Hope Mar 2012 #84
Isn't Dick President Obama's 8th cousin ? Grassy Knoll Mar 2012 #61
Yea something like that. I wonder if Cousin Barack will send him a get well card. n/t totodeinhere Mar 2012 #86
Let's hope Obamacare will stop things like this BamaFanLee Mar 2012 #94
I saw a science fiction show once where a person got a transplant and then totodeinhere Mar 2012 #102
His new heart, penndragon69 Mar 2012 #62
Well said.... Pachamama Mar 2012 #70
How can we not make Darth Vader references? underpants Mar 2012 #66
>>> El Supremo Mar 2012 #72
He must have gone to Oz mackattack Mar 2012 #73
Well hopefully he lives long enough to pay for his crimes. Fearless Mar 2012 #75
Heart to Heart talk qbhawk Mar 2012 #76
That was exactly the plot of John Carpenter's They Live LongTomH Mar 2012 #113
My question is was he given special consideration in getting the heart cstanleytech Mar 2012 #77
I don't think so. The average waiting time is between six months and three years. totodeinhere Mar 2012 #81
Thank you. cstanleytech Mar 2012 #121
Breaking News - Heart rejects Cheney jerseygal Mar 2012 #79
somewhere there is a dead unicorn Douglas Carpenter Mar 2012 #83
But it's family profited handsomely Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #89
Maybe He'll live sorefeet Mar 2012 #87
It would be ironic mackattack Mar 2012 #91
Some sociopath must have recently died... Thor_MN Mar 2012 #92
I Don't Want To See Anyone Ill...... queerart Mar 2012 #93
You are very kind Marthe48 Mar 2012 #127
the flames of h@ll are licking at your a$$ Dick..... rppper Mar 2012 #95
Who did he kill? avaistheone1 Mar 2012 #98
He should have been living hyphenate Mar 2012 #99
So Chandra Levy's heart finally rejected him? BiggJawn Mar 2012 #105
Waste of a perfectly good transplant heart GreydeeThos Mar 2012 #109
Don't they give federal prisoners health care? pstokely Mar 2012 #110
The attitudes expressed on this thread do no credit to DU n/t SylviaD Mar 2012 #114
How many other people in their 70's get heart transplants? I'm betting....zero teewrex Mar 2012 #115
can i take that bet? onenote Mar 2012 #123
Cheney finally gets a heart. avaistheone1 Mar 2012 #116
Oh, well. Solly Mack Mar 2012 #118
miserable piece of shit has "government-run health care" Doctor_J Mar 2012 #119
Where did they find one small enough Spirochete Mar 2012 #120
How can a person who never had a heart get a transplant? ohiolover Mar 2012 #124
if you believe that, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. William769 Mar 2012 #125
Bbwaaa! ohiolover Mar 2012 #126

Suich

(10,642 posts)
10. When a neighbor was 79 (last year)
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:11 PM
Mar 2012

he got a "less than perfect" kidney. I was amazed...he seems to be doing fine now!

Don't know about hearts.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
60. My dad had a kidney transplant at the age of 48, but due to the anti-rejection
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:15 PM
Mar 2012

medicine, he died of cancer at the age of 53. It's the anti-rejection medicine that is so dangerous because the drugs damage the immune system to the point that the patient is more susceptible to other diseases.

It wasn't long after the transplant surgery that a bump began to grow on his face, originating from his carotid artery -- very similar in appearance & position to the bump on John McCain's face.

I read somewhere that new anti-rejection drugs are being developed that will be less destructive to the immune system; I sure hope so!

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
106. I met a number of people at UCSF who had heart transplants after age 70
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:48 AM
Mar 2012

so I think you might be mistaken. Anyway, my contribution is that Cheney had a heart implanted, not having been born with one.

freethought

(2,457 posts)
26. He was!
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:22 PM
Mar 2012

Surgeons implanted some sort of system to his heart. The technique was shown on Rachel Maddow. It quite literally looks like household plumbing attached to the heart. IF I remember correctly the system is powered from an exterior source and due to that fact, Tricky Dick Cheney would have no heart beat (Did he even have one to begin with?).

The doctor said that the procedure was essentially the end game for Dick Cheney. If his heart had anymore problems, options for treatment were nil given his age.

One poster on this thread made a good point. If he is over 70 years old, why is he getting a transplant? Even in countries with socialized medicine, patients over a certain age do not organ transplants.

Hmmm.

3waygeek

(2,034 posts)
39. It's called an LVAD...
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:36 PM
Mar 2012

for Left Ventricular Assist Device -- it basically takes over the left ventricle's function of pumping the freshly oxygenated blood to the rest of the body.

I've had left ventricle problems for years -- not enough to require an LVAD. However, I will be having mitral valve surgery sometime in the next few months.

 

crunch60

(1,412 posts)
100. He has an entire health team that travels with him wherever he goes, just
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 11:45 PM
Mar 2012

in case he should blow a fuse or his battery should die out. He is Bionic Man! This is one evil dude. War Criminal extraordinaire, goes unpunished.

Cheney tied to cash theft and possible murder in Iraq
Quote:
According to an informed source, Dick Cheney, while vice president, amassed a fortune in cash stolen by U.S. occupation forces in Iraq from Saddam Hussein and some of his leading officials and advisers.


http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=9956.0;wap2

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
7. Ah, I thought this was an Onion article. Darth was reported to have been suffering greatly.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:09 PM
Mar 2012

Something about being unable to take a bath because he had electrical wire sticking out of his back, attached to some power supply to keep his ticker going. That's bad.

surrealAmerican

(11,365 posts)
9. Who had to die for this?
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:10 PM
Mar 2012

Shouldn't donor organs go to people who are more likely to survive a long time after the surgery?

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
69. No, Lynne or Liz just ripped it out of the chest of some poor innocent person....
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:33 PM
Mar 2012

....Kind of like the evil witch does on ABC's Sunday "Once Upon a Time"....

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
85. They don't necessarily go by age alone. There are a lot of factors.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:30 PM
Mar 2012

Someone younger than him might have not been compatible with the heart he got. And they also go by location. If he was physically located nearer to the available heart than a younger person who was much farther away, sometimes established policy gives the heart to the patient who is closer.

His waiting time was more than 20 months. The average waiting time for a heart is six months to three years. So based upon his waiting time it looks like he didn't get any special treatment. He might have got special treatment in other ways that we don't know about of course. And he has better health insurance and more resources than most of us do. But then again in most cases Medicaid and Medicare will pay for transplants. They tried to change Medcaid policy toward transplants in Arizona but their GOP governor was forced to back off from that.

http://www.cpmc.org/advanced/heart/patients/topics/transplant.html

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
12. I would hope that he had to wait his turn on the list just like everyone else
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:13 PM
Mar 2012

The rules for organ transplants must be uniform and not shortcutted for anybody.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
13. So the Wizard of Oz does exist? And he can give a heart
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:13 PM
Mar 2012

to a heartless bastard? This is just the kind of story that makes me NOT want to be an organ donor.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
107. The back ground to the joke is
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:54 AM
Mar 2012

that I've got friends in Dayton who had a B3 in their living room with a Leslie but not the correct stool / seat. My friends sister collects antiques and she went off to an estate sale on a Sunday afternoon while I was over your side. She got back late afternoon with a big smile on her face carrying an immaculate seat which she'd bought for $45.

But that wasn't the only thing she'd bought. When the sale had finished she'd wandered off into barn and had already enquired what would happened to stuff not sold. The answer was it would be cleared as trash. In the corner of the barn was something covered with linen and sure enough it was a B3 - mint ! They let her have it for $20 to save loading it up as scrap.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
46. I'm not planning on going anywhere soon.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:48 PM
Mar 2012

So you will have to find that Hammond elsewhere. I do have a cute little harmonica though.

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
17. Compatibility is very important
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:16 PM
Mar 2012

I wish him a long, long, long life....

I hope he lives long enough to bury his children.


 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
78. I would like to suggest
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:05 PM
Mar 2012

that the heart be taken from either a hyena or jackal. Extra points if the heart is taken from a carcass being eaten by either a hyena or jackal.

Seems fitting.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
24. Will they have to drive a stake through his old one? Or bury it as toxic waste?
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:21 PM
Mar 2012

Inquiring minds want to know!

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
28. All those years of smoking....
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:22 PM
Mar 2012

Did he finally quit smoking?

They refuse liver transplants to alcoholics who have not maintained sobriety. I wonder if they refuse heart transplant to unrepentant smokers.

ladywnch

(2,672 posts)
31. not to worry folks, I'm sure his body will reject anything even
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:26 PM
Mar 2012

vaguely resembling a heart. It will be seen as a foreign object.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
32. Isn't it wonderful
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:27 PM
Mar 2012

that Cheney has such great federal health insurance and it covers such an expensive operation! Now why in the world do the repubs. not want the rest of us to have the same?

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
42. Probably someone like the people Olbermann featured on Countdown during the health care debate.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:37 PM
Mar 2012

Otherwise healthy, but laid off, with a family and no health insurance.

I wonder how all of those people are doing today.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
38. This will probably be deleted, but....
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:36 PM
Mar 2012

I hope he never gets out of the hospital alive. I hope he suffers and suffers and suffers and then dies. Fuck him, he doesn't deserve a second chance at life.

LeftishBrit

(41,212 posts)
40. I am somehow reminded...
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:36 PM
Mar 2012

of the old Doonesbury episode, where the heart of a liberal is transplanted into the body of a conservative, who then becomes a liberal himself! His wife sobs, "I was warned that he might be politically impaired for the rest of his life - but a (SOB!) Democrat!"

I know that's not how the heart actually works, but it would be nice if that happened with Cheney.

Snarkoleptic

(6,002 posts)
41. Cheney had a sphincter transplant and it rejected him...
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 07:37 PM
Mar 2012

...so I'm stunned he was fast tracked for a heart.

With his age and risk factors such as stress and former smoker, I'm stunned as I imagine he was cynically leapfrogged past some more appropriate recipients.

 

Devil_Fish

(1,664 posts)
122. I agree, a 71 year old war crimminal getting a heart is Utterly insensitive and out of line
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 04:44 AM
Mar 2012

when there are younger and more viable candidates waiting. Getting Trayvon's heart is exactly what that ass hole would do with out hesitation. He probably used the CIA to find a good match and then put out a hit on the poor kid to one of his obvious minnions. Sorry if I have offended you, but I really don't give a shit. Dick has offended me, and I wouldn't put anything past him. He probably didn't even need surgery, just fucking swallowed it, vampire that he is.

D_F

 

BamaFanLee

(64 posts)
94. Let's hope Obamacare will stop things like this
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:45 PM
Mar 2012

There are far more people deserving of a good heart than Chaney.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
102. I saw a science fiction show once where a person got a transplant and then
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 12:00 AM
Mar 2012

took on the personality of the organ donor. So maybe there's hope for Cheney.

 

penndragon69

(788 posts)
62. His new heart,
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:15 PM
Mar 2012

will wither and rot inside his DEMONIC, hate filled carcass.

You don't give blood to rotting, decaying road kill, you scrap it off the road and dump
it in the trash.

qbhawk

(5 posts)
76. Heart to Heart talk
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 08:59 PM
Mar 2012

Well now, what is this story really about? A man with a Heart? or a Robot who never had a Heart. I alway thought that this man has been in the hospital too many times for the tinkering of heart that does not exist. A normal person would have been dead by now! Is it too far fetched to think, that we might be under the control of Extraterrestrials ... Beings, like a Dick Cheney who are really not from, or of this earth ... but from another dimension here to destroy this earth. Oil exploitation, Unjust wars, Lying, shooting his buddy without remorse, the scooter libby sacrificed etc etc. Many of us would be in prison just for thinking about any of this, if caught in association with such crimes against humanity.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
113. That was exactly the plot of John Carpenter's They Live
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 11:26 AM
Mar 2012
They Live was John Carpenter's cautionary tale about a world ruled - invisibly - by a group of extraterrestrial entrepreneurs. People were constantly being bombarded by messages to 'consume,' 'obey,' 'marry and reproduce,' and 'No independent thought.' See what I mean by 'cautionary tale?'



Cheney - as he really is?

cstanleytech

(26,334 posts)
77. My question is was he given special consideration in getting the heart
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:02 PM
Mar 2012

be it because hes wealthy and or well connected?

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
81. I don't think so. The average waiting time is between six months and three years.
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:17 PM
Mar 2012

Cheney waited for more than 20 months so he falls within that time window.

http://www.cpmc.org/advanced/heart/patients/topics/transplant.html

jerseygal

(67 posts)
79. Breaking News - Heart rejects Cheney
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 09:17 PM
Mar 2012

Former Vice President Cheney received a heart transplant earlier today but the heart has begun to show signs of rejection.

The heart itself was quoted as stating "that it had expected to be transplanted into an individual who had previously had a heart" and was surprised to find itself placed into a heartless individual.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
92. Some sociopath must have recently died...
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:22 PM
Mar 2012

Tissue matching would have only allowed a transplant from a like source... A normal heart would reject Cheney.

queerart

(1,784 posts)
93. I Don't Want To See Anyone Ill......
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:34 PM
Mar 2012



I send positive energy to him, and his family......


Once he is better, we all can get back to business as usual.......


rppper

(2,952 posts)
95. the flames of h@ll are licking at your a$$ Dick.....
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 10:49 PM
Mar 2012

you can run...draw it out a few more years with surgery....but theres a special place at the dinner table in hell next to hitler, attilla the hun and nero.....

hyphenate

(12,496 posts)
99. He should have been living
Sat Mar 24, 2012, 11:19 PM
Mar 2012

in Arizona. I hear they deny people hearts there. And all these years he's lived without one? Fucker. Bastard.




Sorry--I'm not feeling very charitable right now. This is just another nightmare from those bastards stepping on the rest of us again.

BiggJawn

(23,051 posts)
105. So Chandra Levy's heart finally rejected him?
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:58 AM
Mar 2012

What would you say the chances of one of us peons getting a new pump if we were 71-y-o would be? Zip?

GreydeeThos

(958 posts)
109. Waste of a perfectly good transplant heart
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 06:39 AM
Mar 2012

Cheney should be in Leavenworth with along with Robert Bales. Throw George Zimmerman in the same cell and we will hit the trifecta.

onenote

(42,782 posts)
123. can i take that bet?
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 01:55 PM
Mar 2012

I love bets that I'm guaranteed to win.
While not many heart transplants go to folks in their 70s, there is no formal cut off and of the 2000 plus heart transplants last year, 330 plus went to folk 65 and over (which means I'm pretty sure the number aged seventy or higher is more than "zero&quot .

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
119. miserable piece of shit has "government-run health care"
Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:39 PM
Mar 2012

he and his entire blood-sucking family should be in federal prison.

ohiolover

(5 posts)
124. How can a person who never had a heart get a transplant?
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 01:59 PM
Mar 2012

On the other hand, maybe he has awoken a new man who will do penance for his crimes against humanity.

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