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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 04:20 PM Jun 2014

Report: Bundy Owes US Gov't More Money Than All Other Ranchers Combined

Source: TPM

CATHERINE THOMPSON – JUNE 5, 2014, 3:32 PM EDT

Out of 16,000 ranchers who graze cattle on property managed by the federal Bureau of Land Management, only one reportedly owes more money in late grazing fees than all the others combined -- Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy.

Data from the Bureau of Land Management shows that Bundy owes over $1 million to the federal government for grazing fees he's refused to pay since 1993 combined with separate trespassing fees he began accruing in 1998, Environment & Energy Publishing reported Wednesday. That's significantly more than what 458 other ranchers owe in late grazing bills, which totals up to to $237,000 combined, according to the agency's data. The BLM didn't indicate how many ranchers owed trespassing fees, however.

Bundy won a tense standoff with the BLM in April when he refused to remove his cattle from federal property, citing his family's claim to the land dating back to 1877, and rallied militiamen to his ranch to protect his claim. Court records obtained by local TV station KLAS later shed doubt on Bundy's land rights.

The bulk of Bundy's unpaid fees likely come from trespassing, E&E reported. The standard grazing fees on BLM lands are just $1.35 per cow per month, while a 1998 court order required Bundy to pay a whopping trespass fee of $200 per month per cow. That was later modified to $46 per day that Bundy's livestock continued to graze on federal lands.

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Report: Bundy Owes US Gov't More Money Than All Other Ranchers Combined (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2014 OP
I certainly hope the gov't is planning on collecting bigworld Jun 2014 #1
They already know about the other scofflaws..... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #6
Love their tattoos! QuestForSense Jun 2014 #16
And I never would have figured Lloyd...... DeSwiss Jun 2014 #19
Refuse to certify his cattle as USDA approved. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #2
Even simpler - put a lien on his cattle csziggy Jun 2014 #34
At some point the rule of law must be enforced......... Swede Atlanta Jun 2014 #3
Yes. Exactly. DavidDvorkin Jun 2014 #4
Watch the Right claim he's a P.O.W. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #5
enforcing it beginning in 1993 would have been a splendid idea. olddad56 Jun 2014 #7
Take his "ranch." sybylla Jun 2014 #8
So when will his assets be frozen? onecaliberal Jun 2014 #9
Do you have an armed army of nitwits geomon666 Jun 2014 #10
or, we can just let him continue to hold the government hostage. olddad56 Jun 2014 #13
how about they just frezze his ass? olddad56 Jun 2014 #12
He made nearly a lifetime of earnings in stolen grazing. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #11
AND THIS VA_Jill Jun 2014 #14
When the Marshals Service finishes confiscating records Downwinder Jun 2014 #15
What's been tom_kelly Jun 2014 #17
Why was the GOP silent when the government backed off? Thor_MN Jun 2014 #18
Once they figure out a busload of nitwits with guns JoeyT Jun 2014 #20
Put that fucker and all his redneck threatening cohorts in jail. lark Jun 2014 #21
Why was he allowed to continue grazing for all this time? WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #22
Are his "armed supporters" still there? panader0 Jun 2014 #23
I believe that some of them are still there agentS Jun 2014 #32
These hillbillies gun nuts have the hero they deserve. NealK Jun 2014 #24
If this were a student loan he would be having much more trouble n/t n2doc Jun 2014 #25
This is money he owes to YOU and ME. BlueStreak Jun 2014 #26
Time for a lien against his "ranch." Warpy Jun 2014 #27
Sucking at the Government teat blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #28
And this fucking criminal still walks free. blackspade Jun 2014 #29
so do the war criminals Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc olddad56 Jun 2014 #30
True that. blackspade Jun 2014 #31
No wonder he's doing this ridiculous stand-off agentS Jun 2014 #33
Freeloader and taker AllyCat Jun 2014 #35
Bundymoocher. Cha Jun 2014 #36

bigworld

(1,807 posts)
1. I certainly hope the gov't is planning on collecting
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 04:29 PM
Jun 2014

Otherwise, what message is their inaction sending to other scofflaws?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
6. They already know about the other scofflaws.....
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 04:55 PM
Jun 2014
- But they haven't figured out a way to make them pay without ending up paying them more in return somehow. Probably because of those seats they have on the Federal Reserve Board.....



QuestForSense

(653 posts)
16. Love their tattoos!
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jun 2014

I'm sure these two would never admit to having anything in common with Bundy, but they do: colossal arrogance.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
19. And I never would have figured Lloyd......
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jun 2014

...for a breast-cup holderer.

- He never looks that heavy in suits when he's testifying to Congress about why we should all Kiss Hank's Ass......

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
34. Even simpler - put a lien on his cattle
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 11:44 PM
Jun 2014

Any time he tries to take any cattle to market, show up with federal marshals and have the checks made out to the BLM.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
3. At some point the rule of law must be enforced.........
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jun 2014

hopefully the gun nut cases will grow tired of manning the roads and will disperse to go home to watch Duck Dynasty and whatever else they watch.

But at some point the government must take action against this asshat and throw him in jail. He can pretend he doesn't recognize the federal government but when they have his tiny nuts in their jumpsuit it will become real for him.

DavidDvorkin

(19,475 posts)
4. Yes. Exactly.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 04:40 PM
Jun 2014

I'm sure many of his supporters are the same people who attack the administration for not defending the southern border -- not enforcing the law.

sybylla

(8,509 posts)
8. Take his "ranch."
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:06 PM
Jun 2014

If he were late on property taxes, it would have been sold out from under him years ago. At least it would put a stop to his continued fucking over of the people and everyone else who owes will think twice about what they are doing.

onecaliberal

(32,852 posts)
9. So when will his assets be frozen?
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:21 PM
Jun 2014

That is after all what would happen to me if I failed to pay money I owed to the government. They would take every last thing I have.

geomon666

(7,512 posts)
10. Do you have an armed army of nitwits
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jun 2014

who have no problem using women and children as human shields protecting your assets? Cause he does, for now.

I'm starting to think the government should fake some event that will draw the armed mouthbreathers away from Bundy's camp, that way we can take this idiot into custody and nobody has to die or be shot at.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
13. or, we can just let him continue to hold the government hostage.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:40 PM
Jun 2014

Why not just surround the place and wait them out. Time is on the governments side.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
12. how about they just frezze his ass?
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:37 PM
Jun 2014

the government is just gonna blow the money on a hammer or something anyway.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
15. When the Marshals Service finishes confiscating records
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:54 PM
Jun 2014

from the Sheriff's Office in Florida perhaps they will find time to pay Bundy a visit.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
18. Why was the GOP silent when the government backed off?
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:21 PM
Jun 2014

After all, talking to Bundy is negotiating with a terrorist. Why were they not calling for swift action?

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
20. Once they figure out a busload of nitwits with guns
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:31 PM
Jun 2014

will back the government off on collecting the fees, I'm sure other ranchers will be trying to catch up in short order.

lark

(23,097 posts)
21. Put that fucker and all his redneck threatening cohorts in jail.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:36 PM
Jun 2014

Threatening law enforcement officers with a gun, ringing their cars with gas and threatening to light it, pointing guns at law officials, theft, etc. etc. etc.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
22. Why was he allowed to continue grazing for all this time?
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:38 PM
Jun 2014

Why wasn't his cattle confiscated to pay for back fees?

panader0

(25,816 posts)
23. Are his "armed supporters" still there?
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:53 PM
Jun 2014

I tried looking up news about Bundy and saw that he had renounced the Republican party and registered as an Independent.
But no news about his fan club of idiots. Are they still out in this heat?

agentS

(1,325 posts)
32. I believe that some of them are still there
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jun 2014

The Oath Keepers left after being threatened by another militia, which claimed the Oathkeepers were freeloaders and not sharing supplies. And something about a drone strike. Yeah I know; they're nuts.

Other than that, they've been sorta quiet the past 2 weeks. If you go to the top of DU.com, then type in "Bundy Ranch" in the google site search bar, you'll see everything DU members have posted on the guy and his Taliban wannabes. It's a quick way to get caught up on any zaniness you wouldn't find in a standard Google search.

NealK

(1,867 posts)
24. These hillbillies gun nuts have the hero they deserve.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:57 PM
Jun 2014

A racist and a thief. Screw him and his braindead followers.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
26. This is money he owes to YOU and ME.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:10 PM
Jun 2014

Every dollar he shirks is a dollar that you and I get taxed in order to cover the cost of managing these lands.

Where are all those voices of "personal responsibility"?

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
27. Time for a lien against his "ranch."
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:24 PM
Jun 2014

including his house, his cows, any equipment, etc.

It's been in the upper 90s here in the high desert in NM. It must be getting pretty miserable in those tents chez Bundy. Once the swaggering ninnies with Big Ugly Guns have thrown in the towel and headed home until September, perhaps the government can act.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
30. so do the war criminals Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 08:53 PM
Jun 2014

until those murders are locked up, this guy is small potatoes.

agentS

(1,325 posts)
33. No wonder he's doing this ridiculous stand-off
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:02 PM
Jun 2014

Ain't no way he got the money to pay all those fees.

Now let's see; what kind of high-profile jobs can this guy get to pay off his debts?
1) Fox news analyst. I'm sure they need another guy for the old-white-racist-male demographic
2) High stakes poker player. He'll have to place bets in cows at first...
3) Gay-for-pay. There will be interested bidders from many walks of pay.
4) Bestiality-for-pay. Yes, there will be interested bidders for this too.
5) GoldenPalace.com tattoo on his forehead. I think they still do that sorta thing.
6) And finally, the refuge of the damned: Kickstarter.

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