Indian Official Says Rape Is ‘Sometimes’ Right
Source: newsweek
In late May, two girls living in a village in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh went outside to use the bathroom. That night they were gang-raped, and they were found dead the next day, hanging from a mango tree.
As horrible as the crime is, comments about rape made by politicians in that state and another have spurred further outrage. Babulal Gaur, home minister of the neighboring state of Madhya Pradesh, today called rape a social crime which depends on men and women. Sometimes its right, sometimes its wrong. He also said that until theres a complaint, nothing can happen.
And yet in the case of the two girls, who were from an untouchable caste, a complaint reportedly was madeand nothing happened. Amnesty International says that when one of the girls fathers approached police the night the cousins went missing, the policemen on duty refused to register or investigate the complaint and slapped him instead. (Three people, all brothers, have reportedly confessed to the rape; five people have been arrested in total, two of whom are police.)
Gaurs comment about rape sometimes being right follows similar comments made by politicians in Uttar Pradesh, where the two cousins were raped. The chief minister there, Akhilesh Yadav, pushed back against journalists who had asked him about the topic: Youre not facing any danger, are you? he asked. Then why are you worried? Whats it to you? Yadavs father, also a politician, made headlines when he struck a similar note in April, saying that boys will be boys.
http://www.newsweek.com/indian-official-says-rape-sometimes-right-253617
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La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)IronLionZion
(45,439 posts)ck4829
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They know what is going on, they know who the victims are, they know who the perpetrators are; what's going on is that they aren't being blind or ignorant to what is going on, they like and support it. To these politicians, rape is an acceptable tool to use against 'rebellious' women and lower castes.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)As well as attitudes towards women being changed.
JI7
(89,249 posts)< Babulal Gaur, Home Minister in the BJP government of Madhya Pradesh, on Thursday defended Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav and his father, Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam Singh Yadav over the Badaun rape case.
Calling the Samajwadi Party supremo and Uttar Pradeshs chief minister as bechare (helpless), Mr. Gaur said: What can Mulayam and Akhilesh do (to prevent rapes)?
Talking to reporters, Mr. Gaur said that rapes happen when a man loses his mental balance. >
http://www.thehindu.com/news/rapes-happen-when-a-man-loses-his-mental-balance-babulal-gaur/article6085607.ece
Warpy
(111,255 posts)I hope he gets kicked out of his cushy job sooner rather than later.
Wait until these gang rapes start spreading to men--and they will, too many girls were aborted or killed after birth to give all men access to marriage or even hot dates--and hateful shitheads will suddenly realize rape is always wrong.
Assholes.
Boys will be boys until MEN slap them down. Hard.
Tansy_Gold
(17,858 posts)to take economic action against India, nothing will change.
Nothing.
Not the rapes, not the sweatshop labor, nothing.
It was economic sanctions that brought down apartheid in South Africa, not a sudden softening of people's hearts.
I wish it were not so, but it is.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)These outdated cultural traditions, combined with a rampant and uncontrolled free market are taking India to a new level of hell. Turning a blind eye to it isn't the answer.
Judi Lynn
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riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Archae
(46,327 posts)Ask Stupido the politician, how'd HE like to be raped?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)In certain religious contexts evil has been described as a supernatural force.[1]
Since I'm not religious, I don't see it in that way. Those who are still wrestling with religion will be unable to see it any other way, it is their battle, pro or con, and not mine. My definition falls within this one listed here:
Definitions of evil vary, as does the analysis of its root motives and causes.[2] However, elements that are commonly associated with evil involve unbalanced behavior involving expediency, selfishness, ignorance, or neglect.[3]
Clearly, the character that OP is talking about fits within all of those and I'll call him evil. Just as I think this woman would:
I believe that ignorance is the root of all evil. And that no one knows the truth.
~ Molly Ivins
In cultures with Manichaean and Abrahamic religious influence, evil is usually perceived as the dualistic antagonistic opposite of good, in which good should prevail and evil should be defeated.[4] In cultures with Buddhist spiritual influence, both good and evil are perceived as part of an antagonistic duality that itself must be overcome through achieving Śūnyatā meaning emptiness in the sense of recognition of good and evil being two opposing principles but not a reality, emptying the duality of them, and achieving a oneness.[4]
I am closer to that view, since many ideologies and mantras seem to be a game that is immediately discarded when someone points it out as it loses the element of chance and mystery. The alternative I embrace is choice. When one realizes one has a choice to believe or not, it no longer has any power.
The philosophical question of whether morality is absolute, relative, or illusory leads to questions about the nature of evil, with views falling into one of four opposed camps: moral absolutism, amoralism, moral relativism, and moral universalism.
Which pretty much falls on its ass as some simply repeat and act on what they see and hear, without reflection or compass as to what is right or wrong outside their own self interest to maintain their position in a dog pack. They just parrot what they hear and they don't think ahead or have empathy.
As far as such things as killing, raping, robbing, destroying a person or their community and the environment, which ruins the lives or the capacity to exist freely and thrive, I'll continue calling that evil as it is anti-thetical to the opportunity to live and pursue happiness and find meaning within the limited framework that the body, emotions and mind allows us to have.
I find our real problem is defining what is good and standing up for it in the media environment we live within, a polluted ocean of memes that tell us to FUD anything we want to go higher in life. Because we know in advance we'll be called stupid for doing so as the howling monkey pack is not in favor of it.
While the term is applied to events and conditions without agency, the forms of evil addressed in this article presume an evildoer or doers.
Some say there is a spirit of evil, without agency or body, infecting the world. For some it's satan, for some it's human invention or humans themselves. This guy isn't embodying an ethereal supernatural agency. He is a selfish, short sighted asshole who was put into power by his spiritual kin, and by spirit I mean emotionally.
Definitions from this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Submariner
(12,504 posts)Todd 'tea-billy' Akin who stated "
If its a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
That statement isn't too far off from the Indian guy saying .."boys will be boys", etc. A lot of lousy parenting going on in the conservative world.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)this guy is a government official so the comparison is in your head. I take a back seat to nobody when it comes to disdain for the religious right but this guy never would have gotten elected here.
JI7
(89,249 posts)after making those comments. but he had been in congress and in state legislature for years before.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Do you think nobody knew this was how this guy in India felt on this? The people were EMBARRASSED into dropping Akin - shame is a very good motivator - because you cannot say what Akin said and still get elected in this country. Things are bad enough in this country without trying to pretend the attitudes in India are the same as here. This moral relativism on the left has got to stop. It's not helping anything and certainly not the women in India.
JI7
(89,249 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)sounds like when it doesn't fear to speak its mind publicly.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)child? WHEN THE FUCK IS RAPE RIGHT, YOU PERVERTED IDIOT?
treestar
(82,383 posts)Even the Tea Party doesn't have anyone who would say things like that.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)has more to do with blowback than with a lack of people that believe it.
They've danced within spitting distance of it enough times I'd be willing to bet there's some that would say it if they could get away with it. Once they cross the Fox line (The line over which the mainstream right wing cannot be seen to associate with them) they know all the cushy paid gigs are up and they can't fleece people for money anymore.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Notice they've been creeping along, trying one outrageous statement or another - like Todd Akin's legitimate rape quote - and see how that goes and if they dare say something more extreme.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)Timez Squarez
(262 posts)Yes, men can be raped too.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)especially if he were to be raped by a mob of angry woman with dildos about the circumference of a tuna fish can.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Add humiliation to the pain of the attack itself, so they understand more of what the victims experience.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Month Exports Imports Balance
Jan/2014 1,582.4 3,675.4 -2,093.0
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5330.html
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)and I have traveled all over the world--most recently 4 months in Southeast Asia. India is a blight on the world. It is a hell hole. The corruption is worse than anywhere else I have lived or visited and I have seen most of the world. The country is filthy.
I have never felt unsafe except in India. I hope I don't offend anyone. But as long as there is a caste system in India, India will be India. That India calls the child rapist and murderer, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, a national treasurer and lets corrupt men, like Vinay Rai of the Rai Foundation, cheat and rob the helpless as Rai does through his many Rai Universities and other nefarious dealings deserves the world's scorn.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)...plain as that.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Response to JI7 (Original post)
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IronLionZion
(45,439 posts)or the openly racist comments in this thread.
smallcat88
(426 posts)where some convict makes him his 'bitch' then see how he feels about rape.
Orrex
(63,209 posts)Um.
Nope. Never.