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JI7

(89,249 posts)
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:32 PM Jun 2014

Indian Official Says Rape Is ‘Sometimes’ Right

Source: newsweek

In late May, two girls living in a village in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh went outside to use the bathroom. That night they were gang-raped, and they were found dead the next day, hanging from a mango tree.

As horrible as the crime is, comments about rape made by politicians in that state and another have spurred further outrage. Babulal Gaur, home minister of the neighboring state of Madhya Pradesh, today called rape “a social crime which depends on men and women. Sometimes it’s right, sometimes it’s wrong.” He also said that “until there’s a complaint, nothing can happen.”

And yet in the case of the two girls, who were from an untouchable caste, a complaint reportedly was made—and nothing happened. Amnesty International says that when one of the girls’ fathers approached police the night the cousins went missing, “the policemen on duty refused to register or investigate the complaint and slapped him instead.” (Three people, all brothers, have reportedly confessed to the rape; five people have been arrested in total, two of whom are police.)

Gaur’s comment about rape “sometimes” being right follows similar comments made by politicians in Uttar Pradesh, where the two cousins were raped. The chief minister there, Akhilesh Yadav, pushed back against journalists who had asked him about the topic: “You’re not facing any danger, are you?” he asked. “Then why are you worried? What’s it to you?” Yadav’s father, also a politician, made headlines when he struck a similar note in April, saying that “boys will be boys.”

http://www.newsweek.com/indian-official-says-rape-sometimes-right-253617


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Indian Official Says Rape Is ‘Sometimes’ Right (Original Post) JI7 Jun 2014 OP
ugh La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #1
yup IronLionZion Jun 2014 #27
'Sometimes right', 'What's it to you?'. These aren't the words of people who are blind to it ck4829 Jun 2014 #2
True. And it will be a problem until the caste system is gotten rid of. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #9
more from Gaur "rapes happen when a man loses his mental balance" JI7 Jun 2014 #3
I guess he's another damned man who thinks women aren't human Warpy Jun 2014 #4
+1000 Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #10
Until we are sufficiently outraged Tansy_Gold Jun 2014 #5
True, unfortunately. enlightenment Jun 2014 #16
Very sad news. Judi Lynn Jun 2014 #6
K&R. Sick. Just sick. nt riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #7
Horrible shenmue Jun 2014 #8
K&R for exposure. Terrible. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #11
Evil 'leaders.' freshwest Jun 2014 #12
"Evil" is a supernatural concept, an excuse for human actions. Archae Jun 2014 #29
Asking him that was my first thought, but evil is not always a supernatural concept. freshwest Jun 2014 #36
These people make the Republicans look good. iandhr Jun 2014 #13
But the republicans aren't that far off from India Submariner Jun 2014 #15
The people kicked Akin to the curb leftynyc Jun 2014 #30
Todd Akin had been in elected office for years, he lost the election JI7 Jun 2014 #37
Until he opened his mouth leftynyc Jun 2014 #39
people didn't know before, that's why it's news now JI7 Jun 2014 #40
sick, SICK culture Skittles Jun 2014 #14
This is what hereditary aristocracy sulphurdunn Jun 2014 #17
WTF??!! WHEN THE FUCK EVER IS RAPE RIGHT? Would you think that rape of your wife or Ecumenist Jun 2014 #18
Well that's horrible treestar Jun 2014 #19
I suspect the Tea Party leaders not saying things like that JoeyT Jun 2014 #33
You're right treestar Jun 2014 #38
wow, we live in a fucked up world. This is the worst planet I have ever lived on. olddad56 Jun 2014 #20
Ok, let's send a raping mob to that official and see how the likes it. Timez Squarez Jun 2014 #21
That is a great idea. olddad56 Jun 2014 #22
Put it on pay per view. riqster Jun 2014 #32
Wonder how this helps him... jtuck004 Jun 2014 #23
I have been to India; was held hostage in India emsimon33 Jun 2014 #24
Sicko pervert! SoapBox Jun 2014 #25
The whole world apparently has it "minorities." The scapegoats it is ok to victimize. McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #26
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #28
I don't know what's worse, the politicians' comments IronLionZion Jun 2014 #31
Throw this guy in a prison smallcat88 Jun 2014 #34
The only time rape is ever right is... Orrex Jun 2014 #35

ck4829

(35,074 posts)
2. 'Sometimes right', 'What's it to you?'. These aren't the words of people who are blind to it
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:39 PM
Jun 2014

Last edited Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:50 PM - Edit history (1)

They know what is going on, they know who the victims are, they know who the perpetrators are; what's going on is that they aren't being blind or ignorant to what is going on, they like and support it. To these politicians, rape is an acceptable tool to use against 'rebellious' women and lower castes.

Louisiana1976

(3,962 posts)
9. True. And it will be a problem until the caste system is gotten rid of.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 06:14 PM
Jun 2014

As well as attitudes towards women being changed.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
3. more from Gaur "rapes happen when a man loses his mental balance"
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:40 PM
Jun 2014

< Babulal Gaur, Home Minister in the BJP government of Madhya Pradesh, on Thursday defended Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Akhilesh Yadav and his father, Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam Singh Yadav over the Badaun rape case.

Calling the Samajwadi Party supremo and Uttar Pradesh’s chief minister as “bechare (helpless)”, Mr. Gaur said: “What can Mulayam and Akhilesh do (to prevent rapes)?”

Talking to reporters, Mr. Gaur said that “rapes happen when a man loses his mental balance”. >

http://www.thehindu.com/news/rapes-happen-when-a-man-loses-his-mental-balance-babulal-gaur/article6085607.ece

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
4. I guess he's another damned man who thinks women aren't human
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:40 PM
Jun 2014

I hope he gets kicked out of his cushy job sooner rather than later.

Wait until these gang rapes start spreading to men--and they will, too many girls were aborted or killed after birth to give all men access to marriage or even hot dates--and hateful shitheads will suddenly realize rape is always wrong.

Assholes.

Boys will be boys until MEN slap them down. Hard.

Tansy_Gold

(17,858 posts)
5. Until we are sufficiently outraged
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:40 PM
Jun 2014

to take economic action against India, nothing will change.


Nothing.


Not the rapes, not the sweatshop labor, nothing.


It was economic sanctions that brought down apartheid in South Africa, not a sudden softening of people's hearts.

I wish it were not so, but it is.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
16. True, unfortunately.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jun 2014

These outdated cultural traditions, combined with a rampant and uncontrolled free market are taking India to a new level of hell. Turning a blind eye to it isn't the answer.

Archae

(46,327 posts)
29. "Evil" is a supernatural concept, an excuse for human actions.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:31 AM
Jun 2014

Ask Stupido the politician, how'd HE like to be raped?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
36. Asking him that was my first thought, but evil is not always a supernatural concept.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:02 PM
Jun 2014
Evil, in its most general context, is taken as the absence or complete opposite of that which is ascribed as being good. Often, evil is used to denote profound immorality.[1]

In certain religious contexts evil has been described as a supernatural force.[1]

Since I'm not religious, I don't see it in that way. Those who are still wrestling with religion will be unable to see it any other way, it is their battle, pro or con, and not mine. My definition falls within this one listed here:

Definitions of evil vary, as does the analysis of its root motives and causes.[2] However, elements that are commonly associated with evil involve unbalanced behavior involving expediency, selfishness, ignorance, or neglect.[3]


Clearly, the character that OP is talking about fits within all of those and I'll call him evil. Just as I think this woman would:

I believe that ignorance is the root of all evil. And that no one knows the truth.

~ Molly Ivins

In cultures with Manichaean and Abrahamic religious influence, evil is usually perceived as the dualistic antagonistic opposite of good, in which good should prevail and evil should be defeated.[4] In cultures with Buddhist spiritual influence, both good and evil are perceived as part of an antagonistic duality that itself must be overcome through achieving Śūnyatā meaning emptiness in the sense of recognition of good and evil being two opposing principles but not a reality, emptying the duality of them, and achieving a oneness.[4]

I am closer to that view, since many ideologies and mantras seem to be a game that is immediately discarded when someone points it out as it loses the element of chance and mystery. The alternative I embrace is choice. When one realizes one has a choice to believe or not, it no longer has any power.

The philosophical question of whether morality is absolute, relative, or illusory leads to questions about the nature of evil, with views falling into one of four opposed camps: moral absolutism, amoralism, moral relativism, and moral universalism.

Which pretty much falls on its ass as some simply repeat and act on what they see and hear, without reflection or compass as to what is right or wrong outside their own self interest to maintain their position in a dog pack. They just parrot what they hear and they don't think ahead or have empathy.

As far as such things as killing, raping, robbing, destroying a person or their community and the environment, which ruins the lives or the capacity to exist freely and thrive, I'll continue calling that evil as it is anti-thetical to the opportunity to live and pursue happiness and find meaning within the limited framework that the body, emotions and mind allows us to have.

I find our real problem is defining what is good and standing up for it in the media environment we live within, a polluted ocean of memes that tell us to FUD anything we want to go higher in life. Because we know in advance we'll be called stupid for doing so as the howling monkey pack is not in favor of it.

While the term is applied to events and conditions without agency, the forms of evil addressed in this article presume an evildoer or doers.

Some say there is a spirit of evil, without agency or body, infecting the world. For some it's satan, for some it's human invention or humans themselves. This guy isn't embodying an ethereal supernatural agency. He is a selfish, short sighted asshole who was put into power by his spiritual kin, and by spirit I mean emotionally.

Definitions from this link:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
15. But the republicans aren't that far off from India
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 07:16 PM
Jun 2014

Todd 'tea-billy' Akin who stated "…If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

That statement isn't too far off from the Indian guy saying .."boys will be boys", etc. A lot of lousy parenting going on in the conservative world.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
30. The people kicked Akin to the curb
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:38 AM
Jun 2014

this guy is a government official so the comparison is in your head. I take a back seat to nobody when it comes to disdain for the religious right but this guy never would have gotten elected here.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
37. Todd Akin had been in elected office for years, he lost the election
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:30 PM
Jun 2014

after making those comments. but he had been in congress and in state legislature for years before.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
39. Until he opened his mouth
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 04:26 AM
Jun 2014

Do you think nobody knew this was how this guy in India felt on this? The people were EMBARRASSED into dropping Akin - shame is a very good motivator - because you cannot say what Akin said and still get elected in this country. Things are bad enough in this country without trying to pretend the attitudes in India are the same as here. This moral relativism on the left has got to stop. It's not helping anything and certainly not the women in India.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
18. WTF??!! WHEN THE FUCK EVER IS RAPE RIGHT? Would you think that rape of your wife or
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jun 2014

child? WHEN THE FUCK IS RAPE RIGHT, YOU PERVERTED IDIOT?

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
33. I suspect the Tea Party leaders not saying things like that
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 11:57 AM
Jun 2014

has more to do with blowback than with a lack of people that believe it.

They've danced within spitting distance of it enough times I'd be willing to bet there's some that would say it if they could get away with it. Once they cross the Fox line (The line over which the mainstream right wing cannot be seen to associate with them) they know all the cushy paid gigs are up and they can't fleece people for money anymore.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
38. You're right
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jun 2014

Notice they've been creeping along, trying one outrageous statement or another - like Todd Akin's legitimate rape quote - and see how that goes and if they dare say something more extreme.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
22. That is a great idea.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 09:47 PM
Jun 2014

especially if he were to be raped by a mob of angry woman with dildos about the circumference of a tuna fish can.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
32. Put it on pay per view.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 10:14 AM
Jun 2014

Add humiliation to the pain of the attack itself, so they understand more of what the victims experience.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
24. I have been to India; was held hostage in India
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jun 2014

and I have traveled all over the world--most recently 4 months in Southeast Asia. India is a blight on the world. It is a hell hole. The corruption is worse than anywhere else I have lived or visited and I have seen most of the world. The country is filthy.

I have never felt unsafe except in India. I hope I don't offend anyone. But as long as there is a caste system in India, India will be India. That India calls the child rapist and murderer, Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba, a national treasurer and lets corrupt men, like Vinay Rai of the Rai Foundation, cheat and rob the helpless as Rai does through his many Rai Universities and other nefarious dealings deserves the world's scorn.

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