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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:13 PM Jun 2014

American scientists controversially recreate deadly Spanish Flu virus

Source: Independent UK

The extinct influenza virus that caused the worst flu pandemic in history has been recreated from fragments of avian flu found in wild ducks in a controversial experiment to show how easy it would be for the deadly flu strain to reemerge today.

Scientists said the study involved infecting laboratory ferrets with close copies of the 1918 virus – which was responsible for the Spanish Flu pandemic that killed an estimated 50 million people – to see how easy it can be transmitted in the best animal model of the human disease.

But other researchers have denounced the research as foolhardy and dangerous. Critics said that any benefits of the attempts to recreate 1918-like flu viruses from existing avian flu strains do not justify the catastrophic risks if such a genetically engineered virus were to escape either deliberately or accidentally from the laboratory and cause a deadly influenza pandemic.

However, Professor Yoshihiro Kawaoka of the University of Wisconsin-Madison dismissed the criticisms of his research saying that it is necessary for the development of influenza vaccines and other countermeasures designed to minimise the risks of a future flu pandemic.

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/american-scientists-controversially-recreate-deadly-spanish-flu-virus-9529707.html

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American scientists controversially recreate deadly Spanish Flu virus (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 OP
U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A OnyxCollie Jun 2014 #1
Just because they CAN do this doesn't mean they SHOULD do it.....foolhardy IMHO. yourout Jun 2014 #2
No, they should do it, but it need to be tightly controlled and secured. Waiting for the next lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #9
That is helarious. kickysnana Jun 2014 #18
Actually you are incorrect lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #21
+1 nt Javaman Jun 2014 #28
They built the entire 1st season of ReGenesis enlightenment Jun 2014 #3
Never heard of that series... Lancero Jun 2014 #12
I remember that one. enlightenment Jun 2014 #14
I understand what he was trying to do and the rationale, but jeez... DRoseDARs Jun 2014 #4
The rationale makes sense and is important, However, you are correct it need to be tightly lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #8
This is how some apocalyptic movies start. RandySF Jun 2014 #5
So we're getting this instead of another war to reduce our population. nt valerief Jun 2014 #6
Now re-named "Captain Trips..." villager Jun 2014 #7
“To advance scientific knowledge, pick a man of genius, give him money, and let him alone.” Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #10
Not to sound trite defacto7 Jun 2014 #11
Thats precisely the argument the US military uses to continue development of Jesus Malverde Jun 2014 #13
Yeah, that makes sense... defacto7 Jun 2014 #15
AIDS & the Doctors of Death: An Inquiry into the Origin of the AIDS Epidemic blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #16
What could possibly go wrong? KinMd Jun 2014 #17
Just imagine what they could do if they decided to improve the quality of life on earth. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2014 #19
They could start by releasing the virus in large quantities around the world ... Nihil Jun 2014 #26
Life on Earth is beginning to resemble a terrible B-movie that won't end. DeSwiss Jun 2014 #20
Due to a typo... worldwide MRA groups cheer with excitement. TheBlackAdder Jun 2014 #22
well, for those that choose to do such experiments Leme Jun 2014 #23
flu has not gone away-if they can keep it safe and learn something to fight future outbreaks-- dembotoz Jun 2014 #24
that particular flu HAS gone away Leme Jun 2014 #27
The shit movies are made of. L0oniX Jun 2014 #25

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
9. No, they should do it, but it need to be tightly controlled and secured. Waiting for the next
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:09 AM
Jun 2014

mutation of avian flu that turns deadly would be a disaster without a vaccine

This might provide a chance to get ahead of it.

The major problem is it needs to be tightly controlled and secured


kickysnana

(3,908 posts)
18. That is helarious.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:52 AM
Jun 2014

The only think the country controls is protestors the rest is pretty much a free for all.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
14. I remember that one.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:49 AM
Jun 2014

Rampant, unbeatable pandemic makes for good TV, unfortunately.

ReGenesis is on Hulu Plus is you're into that sort of drama. It was actually a really interesting show; they used a scientific consultant who had a lot of input into the direction the show took and kept it pretty honest (the exception being a kind of lame ending, but I think that was because they didn't know what to do with it to wrap it up). It was really strange in one of the later seasons (I watched it just a while back) that something they were discussing as cutting edge/never been done/impossible had just made the news the week I was watching, as a breakthrough. Weird sense of deju what?! from that one!

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
4. I understand what he was trying to do and the rationale, but jeez...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 11:38 PM
Jun 2014

...this should have been under much more tightly-controlled fail-conditions like a CDC lab. Irresponsible and arrogant much?

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
10. “To advance scientific knowledge, pick a man of genius, give him money, and let him alone.”
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:23 AM
Jun 2014

Thats a pretty poor way to manage someone that could kill millions.

http://www.uwalumni.com/media/images/photography/onwisconsin/pdf/FlightLessons.pdf

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
11. Not to sound trite
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:28 AM
Jun 2014

but if they don't do it, someone else who may have nefarious intentions will. If we have good science and it's well guarded in reasonable testable amounts, it could save an untold number of lives when the bad guys get around to it. And they will. You think viral experimentation isn't already in the works in many different forms? I have little doubt.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
13. Thats precisely the argument the US military uses to continue development of
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:36 AM
Jun 2014

chemical and biological weapons. It's an excuse for going places we shouldn't.

If we learned anything from the 2001 anthrax attacks it's that the use of these weapons is largely unattributable and will happen. All it takes is one disgruntled worker.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
15. Yeah, that makes sense...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:07 AM
Jun 2014

Remember though, there are many people within this country, and outside it that would be fond of killing as many people as possible. If we have a source that can be made quickly into an antiviral then we would be one or two steps ahead. If we have to start without a source, it could cost hundreds, thousands or more lives, then distribution would be lagging... All of it is a sad but real probability.

One disgruntled worker... trust in human frailties will always be a problem. I have no solution for that one which doesn't include a thousand generations in the future.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
26. They could start by releasing the virus in large quantities around the world ...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:47 AM
Jun 2014

... but I doubt that is what you were meaning ...



 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
20. Life on Earth is beginning to resemble a terrible B-movie that won't end.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:22 AM
Jun 2014
- Complete with mad scientists and an inept citizenry as their guinea pigs.

K&R


[center]And What The Hell Are We Supposed To Do With This Stuff When You're Done With It?

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TheBlackAdder

(28,188 posts)
22. Due to a typo... worldwide MRA groups cheer with excitement.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:32 AM
Jun 2014

They misinterpreted the headline to read...

American scientists controversially recreate deadly Spanish FLY virus


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This mistake falsely raised their hopes that they could finally 'score.'
 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
23. well, for those that choose to do such experiments
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:58 AM
Jun 2014

they should make a room at the bottom of the world's deepest drill hole. Lock them in with enough air and supplies for 50 years. Fill hole entryway. Make it impossible for anyone or anything to get in or out. No communications. Take a poll after fifty years to see if anyone is interested if anyone is there. If not over 90% interest, take another poll in 50 years.

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