Cheney had a convenient fire that killed hard drives. Remember that?

Now, not so much.

How dare you criticize the most transparent administration ever? Don't you know what happened to the last NYT editor who did that? She was fired soon after....

"It is the most secretive White House that I have ever been involved in covering...I dealt directly with the Bush White House when they had concerns that stories we were about to run put the national security under threat. But, you know, they were not pursuing criminal leak investigations. The Obama administration has had seven criminal leak investigations. That is more than twice the number of any previous administration in our history. It's on a scale never seen before. This is the most secretive White House that, at least as a journalist, I have ever dealt with."

"She added that the decision to be so aggressive towards the press "would have to" come directly from President Obama himself."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/jill-abramson-white-house-secret-ny-times_n_4653014.html

even though i regularly followed politics in '07 and a lot more in '08. (I was just in high school back then.)

LA Times report on the incident.

More fuel for the wingnuts!

Granted as someone else said the Repukes are going to hate on and obstruct this administration down the last minute he's in office, having something like this happen doesn't help.

even if they were produced with no mention of anything wrong against any public agencies. I've come to the conclusion whatever goes on be it negative or positive, it will always the bad for Pres O because that is how these assholes see it.

Fuck the tee party.

Pity they can't find Bush's.........

The Teabaggers and all the other wingnuts deserve to be harassed by the IRS.

Nixon's "enemies" didn't deserve it, either.

so executive prevlidge X_X

Lois took the fall, but how far up does the responsibility go? Will we ever know?

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that the responsibility goes above and beyond Ms. Lerner?

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And since when is it "odd" to mention facts or ask questions on a progressive discussion site?

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that the responsibility goes above and beyond Ms. Lerner?

... you should know by now that Ms. Lerner's office was investigating liberal and progressive organizations claiming tax-exempt status, too.

Who in the White House ordered the IRS to investigate as many progressive groups as conservative groups? And why did no one in the administration point out the sheer LOGIC of investigating anti-tax groups for violating tax laws?

re: "The IRS told lawmakers that it cannot produce emails written only to or from Lerner and outside agencies or groups, such as the White House, the Treasury, the Department of Justice, the Federal Election Commission, or lawmakers’ offices."

Okay, so for some period of time, the IRS doesn't have emails from Lois Lerner to or from the White House, DoJ, etc., but since these places have their own email archives, these emails can still be found. So it's not the big deal some people are making it out to be.

and you deleted information or told them that you lost crucial evidence they wanted, you would be in jail.

I am really struggling with this. As an enterprise level systems engineer, mainly responsible for long term data protection, it really perplexes me how this could happen. My company is required by federal law to ensure that there are archive copies of all data. It's pretty commonplace given the federal mandates....

that the IRS is lying? Or sabotaging a Congressional investigation?

I am just looking at from a purely technical perspective regarding both short term and long term data protection. Given industry best practice standards even with mediocre execution, one would have to really work at making multiple online as well as offline disk or tape volumes "go missing". In an organization the size of the IRS, I can't imagine that they where not operating at that level.

IRS agent: Mr. American Citizen, you claimed over two billion dollars in work-related deductions last year. Where is the evidence to back that up?

Me: It was on my hard drive, but the drive crashed. I of course didn't back anything up.

IRS agent: You had better get a computer expert to recover that data, and you had better do it fast.

Me: But I threw the hard drive away.

IRS agent: No problem then. Your tax return is accepted. Have a nice day.

..i work in an industry that mandates the automatic archiving of ALL e-mails. Those e-mails are somewhere...

the NSA has copies!