Perhaps he planned to kill himself next, but was shot first. If not, he knew he'd be identified and spend his life in prison - either way leaving his children parentless and with the horrible heritage of a father who was a murderer. I would bet the very first thing the police did was make sure that he hadn't killed his kids on the way to the reunion. What a brutal bastard. No wonder his wife divorced him.

Moore filed for a divorce from Jason A. Moore in Peoria County in March 2013, according to court records. The dissolution of marriage and parenting agreement were final in May 2013.

Read more: http://www.pjstar.com/article/20140614/News/140619439#ixzz34htDYOYn

Regardless of how much a breakup hurts or if your pride has been hurt, why would you want to be with someone you KNOW doesnt want to be with you?

The control freak only cares who dances to his fiddle, period.

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That is what the gun nutters don't seem to get: the mere act of carrying a weapon does not make you an effective deterrent. Cops and other professionals get training on how to use the guns they carry.

Contrast this outcome with the recent shootings in Nevada: a regular citizen with a piece tried to draw and shoot those two Bundyoids in a Walmart. He died.

So sorry for the kids in this case. As a dad, I am dumbstruck by the shooter's actions.

On edit: wording changed: I did not mean to disrespect the person in Walmart who tried to take down the shooters. My apologies for having disrespected him. I fucked up.

Like virtually everything else they say, it's bullshit.

Not saying cops are 100% wonderful people: I work with them a lot. Nor am I saying that their agencies are uniformly benevolent. I am certainly NOT saying that there isn't a helluva lot of work to do when it comes to rape, immigration, color-related issues, and all of that.

But the amount of training cops get and have to get on an ongoing basis to be able use their guns in a safe and effective manner is light-years beyond what ANY CCW class provides.

level of proficiency needs to be high enough that muscle memory kicks in.

Step one: Determine my capabilities: Did I remember to bring have my service weapon? Is it loaded?

Step two: Review the situation and consider alternatives. Should I back off - after all I'm FBI and this appears not to have federal jurisdiction? Can I call 911 and let the local authorities handle it? Can't we handle this with a drone? How can I reason with him so nobody posts nasty things about me on the internet? (notices additional shot) What was that noise and why is my shirt turning red?

Step three: Call 911.

or

Step one: Do I have a clean shot with a clear line of shot?

Step two: Squeeze, not pull, the trigger so it doesn't go high and right.

And there IS a wide range of training levels out there. Ohio is very strict that way, but there are distinct differences even so.

FBI are very good: intensive initial training and lots of ongoing refreshers.

was the problem recently in the Wal-Mart - the armed citizen (to distinguish him from LE) passed the women to engage a shooter not knowing she was one of the threats.

That's how the police officers had just been killed. Their training might have been just as good as the FBI agent's, but they had no reason to know they were about to be shot. They were not responding to a call with a mindset changing over to tactical readiness.

Police operate in a community environment - they are not a military force in an environment where everyone might be the enemy. And that's not what we want them to be.

That's why the police aren't optimal for military action and why the military isn't optimal for policing. And it's the training challenge when a Governor calls out the National Guard, which can be used in law enforcement roles until the President federalizes them. Then they swap to Title 10 and actual LE activities are prohibited. (Support to LE is still permissible if certain conditions are met.)

Or were the two murderers even better trained? The guy killed at that Wal Mart would have needed eyes in the back of his head to survive. And it's not like you give a shit about him anyway. If he were alive you'd be calling him names like "gun humper", "gun nut", etc... The guy died trying to stop two murderers and you call him a "schmuck". That's fucking pathetic on your part.

So your first point fails.

The CCW holder at the Walmart was reaching for his weapon when he was shot. So your second point fails.

The rest of your post is a load of ad hominem attacks. And thus fails as well.

Did you take a video that we can watch? The fact is that shooting skills of law enforcement is all over the place. Some really try and get good at it and with some it is pulling teeth to get them into the police shooting range for annual qualification -- which in Chicago is just firing 50 rounds at the general direction of the target. Shooting skills of CC holders is also all over the place. Some are far better than average law enforcement and some have not shot a gun in 20 years.

And I invite others to do likewise.

Quite true, there are deltas in the case of training, both for uniformed and civilian individuals, depending on location and agency. But to the best of my knowledge, there aren't CCW licensure requirements that exceed training requirements for law enforcement personnel.

If you know of such a case, do feel free to share it.

I have zero interest in looking up the CC requirements for the 50 states and zero interest in finding out the requirements for literally tens of thousands -- if not more -- of law enforcement jurisdictions.

When I lived in Chicago I tested police firing ranges for the state to ensure the lead exposure was in compliance with OSHA regulations. The range masters would joke with me about how terrible most of the cops were at target shooting and how they would have to nag commanders to get their people in to do the 50 rounds a year -- and this in a city with murders galore and multiple shootings everyday. Is this anecdotal? Yes, of course. But almost everything in this field is.

and a little close to home for me, right across the river. Thanks for the post.

It saves you the trouble of looking for a reasonable solution to your problems.

officers, and even military personnel. My view is that we do have a small percentage of bad apples (I'm civil service - career, not a political appointee), but that most are reasonably decent folk that take our positions & responsibilities seriously. (You'll never see me posting on duty time from a government computer.)

My point would be, he shouldn't have to.

Thank god the FBI agent was there. Lori and Lance didn't deserve to die like that. The boyfriend just started dating her, he didn't break up there marriage. He was a good dude that worked for Caterpillar, smart guy and a good dude. The ex husband is a piece of trash to do that then leave his kid with no parents. Thank god that the FBI agent was there or more people could have been killed. Impressive reaction time, a real hero.

...not this guy:

To bad a probably 'family violence' type husband is even allowed to own guns in the first place.

Also, there is no indication that the shooter would have gone on a rampage and shot others. He knew his target. He didn't walk in shooting. He didn't randomly open fire at a crowd.