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JI7

(89,249 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:26 AM Jun 2014

Poachers Kill Satao, One of the World's Largest Elephants

Source: people

The Tsavo Trust, a not-for-profit organization located in Kenya, reported Friday that one of the largest and oldest bull elephants in Kenya's Tsavo Conservation area – and likely the world – Satao, had been killed by poachers.

Satao, who was likely born sometime in the late 1960s, had tusks weighing more than 100 lbs., making him a prime target for ivory poachers. The Trust announced that Satao had been shot with a poisoned arrow on May 30, and that a carcass the group believed was his had been spotted on June 2, but they refrained from making a positive identification until Friday. The group reported that the poachers had hacked off the elephant's face and taken his ivory.

Satao had already survived one attempt on his life (also made with poisoned arrows) in March. (A small consolation: The Trust reported that the Kenya Wildlife Service has arrested the main poison dealer and supplier in Kilifi, whose product has been linked to many elephant deaths.)

Satao was a favorite of the Trust, and was well known in the conservation world for his massive, sweeping tusks. Sadly, wildlife filmmaker Mark Deeble believed Satao had been aware of his tusks and how they made him a target – he describes the massive bull elephant cautiously moving from bush to bush when approaching a waterhole, keeping his head and tusks hidden. "I wondered if my interpretation of his behavior was fanciful, just a filmmaker's frustration at not being able to get a clear view," Deeble writes, "but whenever we saw him, he tried to hide his tusks and I am convinced that it was deliberate."



Read more: http://www.people.com/article/worlds-largest-elephant-satao-killed

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Poachers Kill Satao, One of the World's Largest Elephants (Original Post) JI7 Jun 2014 OP
What a magnificent creature, this is horrifying. Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #1
there are pictures of him dead and what they did to him JI7 Jun 2014 #2
Sadly, their horror would last a few minutes until the next shiny object replaces the story. I can't Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #4
People care more about Kim and Kanye's fake wedding than they do AngryDem001 Jun 2014 #10
+1 n/t JudyM Jun 2014 #37
the aerial pic of him splayed out in the clearing just killed me Justitia Jun 2014 #9
yup, you said it, scum of the earth : ( MBS Jun 2014 #32
Satao with other elephants to get an idea of how much larger he was JI7 Jun 2014 #3
Poor old fellow... A shame on anyone that buys the products that these graceful creatures are Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #6
+1,000 freshwest Jun 2014 #11
Some humans really suck. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2014 #42
Just horrible. polly7 Jun 2014 #14
Damn, this is heartbreaking. Xyzse Jun 2014 #22
could spray painting the tusks help ? annm4peace Jun 2014 #5
Spray pain would come off but I was wondering if there is a dye that could penetrate the ivory McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #8
We can largely stop the ivory trade now. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #13
+1,000,001. (N/t) Lefta Dissenter Jun 2014 #19
Wish I could agree with you packman Jun 2014 #24
Typically, conservationists will saw the tusks off... DRoseDARs Jun 2014 #12
so why don't poachers just do this also ? JI7 Jun 2014 #15
Because an AK-47 and a magazine of bullets is cheap, fast and easy NickB79 Jun 2014 #16
i know they don't care about the animals, but i mean it would seem beneficial to them JI7 Jun 2014 #17
It's a huge animal. I don't think it will sit still while they are cutting its tasks off. LisaL Jun 2014 #26
An AK is to weak for taking down an elephant, good to go after game wardens, but not elephants. happyslug Jun 2014 #46
I imagine its easier to kill the aminal. LisaL Jun 2014 #25
There have been reports that poachers will still kill for the stumps csziggy Jun 2014 #38
... n/t DRoseDARs Jun 2014 #41
The reports I have read is such animals are killed, so poaches will not waste time tracking them happyslug Jun 2014 #44
I didn't want to believe it was true. beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #7
I feel your pain. : ( n/t MBS Jun 2014 #33
What a bunch of sick fucks. blackspade Jun 2014 #18
Well, China needs icons for their mantles. nt onehandle Jun 2014 #20
''Tried to hide his tusks.'' Octafish Jun 2014 #21
Bastards packman Jun 2014 #23
+ 1000 n/t MBS Jun 2014 #30
Goodbye Harmony Blue Jun 2014 #27
How is this still going on? The Stranger Jun 2014 #28
my question too. . and even escalating, despite US ban on sales MBS Jun 2014 #29
Bastard poachers should be shot on sight. I just don't care about them. catbyte Jun 2014 #31
I have to say that I feel the same way n/t MBS Jun 2014 #34
Lowlife bastards CountAllVotes Jun 2014 #35
I wonder if DNA tracking could be done? Alameda Jun 2014 #36
Yes it can be done, the Horn is a product of cells that DNA tracking is possible. happyslug Jun 2014 #45
It seems like that may be a way Alameda Jun 2014 #47
The problem is the willingness to test each piece of ivory. happyslug Jun 2014 #48
Awwww. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #39
Not cool! shenmue Jun 2014 #40
I don't believe in violence. But I also believe flvegan Jun 2014 #43

JI7

(89,249 posts)
2. there are pictures of him dead and what they did to him
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:32 AM
Jun 2014

maybe they should air the images worldwide so people can see what is actually done .

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
4. Sadly, their horror would last a few minutes until the next shiny object replaces the story. I can't
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:38 AM
Jun 2014

bear to see him dead, but this will stay with me as each one I've ever read about has haunted me.

Humans...

AngryDem001

(684 posts)
10. People care more about Kim and Kanye's fake wedding than they do
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:09 AM
Jun 2014

about theses magnificent creatures.....

Justitia

(9,316 posts)
9. the aerial pic of him splayed out in the clearing just killed me
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:05 AM
Jun 2014

such a magnificent giant, destroyed by scum of the earth

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
6. Poor old fellow... A shame on anyone that buys the products that these graceful creatures are
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:40 AM
Jun 2014

murdered to make.

annm4peace

(6,119 posts)
5. could spray painting the tusks help ?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:40 AM
Jun 2014

could spray painting them make they unsellable by poachers ?

or can they just polish the spray off of the ivory?

don't know how people could even want Ivory knowing where it comes from

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
8. Spray pain would come off but I was wondering if there is a dye that could penetrate the ivory
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:49 AM
Jun 2014

in some really hideous shade of hot pink the way they dye baby seal fur. Make the tusks so unaesthetic to humans that no one would want them. The only other option I can see is to remove the poor creatures tusk---but that seems so cruel. Would it be possible to sedate them, take off the tusks and give them some sort of prosthetic tusk that is just as strong but made from a material that has no value? Because obviously every time there is a story about how we have to stop the ivory trade, the people who want to buy it just demand more and more to stock pile against the day when the supply dries up. So, we need to stop with the half measures.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
13. We can largely stop the ivory trade now.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:35 AM
Jun 2014

The problem is that there's such a thing as legal ivory. It's either pre-ban or from some legal cull or sometimes states are allowed to sell confiscated contraband to pay for conservation efforts. And since there's no practical way to tell one tusk from another, the poached ivory gets shipped openly with fake papers saying it's the legal stuff.

So all that needs to be done to eliminate much of the poaching is to get rid of the legal ivory trade. Then there's no fake paperwork to be made, and all that shit is illegal. Get caught with it you're in deep shit. At least then you won't find hand carved ivory dustcatchers in every nick-knack shop in China.

Get the church on board too, that would do wonders for the huge market for ivory iconography in the Philippines, which is the second biggest market behind China.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
24. Wish I could agree with you
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:02 AM
Jun 2014

and it would seem like a good idea. However, no matter what coloration you tried, someone would convince the assholes buying the ivory that hot pink has more aphrodisiac powers or the lime green ivory can cure the warts and skin diseases afflicting them. People who buy ivory and who are aware of how it is obtained are on the same level as the poachers - disgusting pieces of shit.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
12. Typically, conservationists will saw the tusks off...
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:24 AM
Jun 2014

...leaving the animal to roam free with stumps and denying poachers their prize.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
15. so why don't poachers just do this also ?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:47 AM
Jun 2014

if they don't have to kill the animals and they can still get the ivory . why not just do that ?

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
16. Because an AK-47 and a magazine of bullets is cheap, fast and easy
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:21 AM
Jun 2014

While a quality dart gun with the proper mixture of tranquilizer spec'ed to the animal's weight is not cheap, not fast, and not easy to operate or procure.

You're making the assumption the poachers actually care about whether or not the animal lives or dies, when all they care about is their profit.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
17. i know they don't care about the animals, but i mean it would seem beneficial to them
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 03:58 AM
Jun 2014

to not kill the animals so there will be less opposition to what they do and more people may even be willing to buy ivory because they wont see it as actually killing the animal.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
46. An AK is to weak for taking down an elephant, good to go after game wardens, but not elephants.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:55 PM
Jun 2014

Thus the report that this elephant was taken down by a POISON ARROW. Such an arrow just has to hit a blood vessel and the elephant is dead within hours (and some time Minutes). No one wants the meat so the meat can be made dangerous to eat by the same poison (and end up killing lions, African Wild Dogs, Hyenas, Leopards, Cheetahs, Buzzards and other meat eaters.

Cheetahs may be the least affected by such poison, they tend NOT to be scavengers. This is do to their build and small size compared to Lions, Hyenas and Leopards. They will not refuse a free meal, but the other scavengers will tend to drive them away from the kill. Yes, this method of killing elephants has the prospect of killing a lot of other animals depending on the poison used.

Thus an AK may cause less death of Animals then this poison arrow.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
38. There have been reports that poachers will still kill for the stumps
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jun 2014

I don't have the links, but it has been reported here on DU.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
44. The reports I have read is such animals are killed, so poaches will not waste time tracking them
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:41 PM
Jun 2014

What I have read, it was more to do with Rhino hones, is that poachers after tracking a Rhino without a horn, would kill it so they would not waste time tracking it again while they search for Rhinos to hunt. I can see the same Logic being applied by poachers of Elephants. Track down an elephant, find out it has no horns, then kill it so next time when they track an elephant it is one with tusks not one without tusks.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
18. What a bunch of sick fucks.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 08:41 AM
Jun 2014

Like those assholes a few yeas ago that we're hunting them with RPGs.
Humans disgust me more often than not.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
23. Bastards
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jun 2014

As I get older I find myself at an emotional loss when people I know die and animals who die at the hands of the insensitive and brutish die. All is diminished when this type of thing happens.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
29. my question too. . and even escalating, despite US ban on sales
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jun 2014

Obama/US Fish & Wildlife Ban (THANK you, President Obama)
http://www.salon.com/2014/02/17/elephant_in_the_room_no_more_obama_bans_ivory_sales_partner/
Now also even New York State Assembly has instituted ban
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/737439-new-york-state-assembly-approves-bill-banning-ivory-trade/

but , of course, there is whining, in our own country
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/21/arts/design/new-limits-on-ivory-sales-set-off-wide-concerns.html?_r=0

Just HORRIBLE that this not only continues to happen, but seems to be escalating, both in numbers and in degree of nastiness and violence. What is WRONG with us?


CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
35. Lowlife bastards
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 12:15 PM
Jun 2014

All of them are, every single one of these damned poachers!.

May they all ROT IN HELL!!!!!!!!

& recommend.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
45. Yes it can be done, the Horn is a product of cells that DNA tracking is possible.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:47 PM
Jun 2014

The problem is making sure the tracking is done AND DNA tracking requires destruction of a piece of the ivory each time it is tested. Not that big a piece, but you test something often enough the amount of destruction will be noticeable.

Alameda

(1,895 posts)
47. It seems like that may be a way
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:28 AM
Jun 2014

to track things. I would think something like this could be done. If they can get DNA from tiny things, why would't this work? Maybe that way it could be stopped, or at least slowed down in some way.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
48. The problem is the willingness to test each piece of ivory.
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:35 AM
Jun 2014

and keeping a database of all LEGAL Ivory. My problem is I just see to many people involved in the Ivory trade for anything but a complete ban to work. Put the burden on the owner of the ivory that it is legal, not on the Government to show that it is not.

flvegan

(64,407 posts)
43. I don't believe in violence. But I also believe
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 11:34 PM
Jun 2014

it would take clearing a poacher's head from his shoulders several times in public display to begin to stop this.

I'd be fine with that as a last resort. I'd rather see the poacher's tools destroyed. His vehicles ruined, his home destroyed. Were I in power, Agenda 21 would be a fully staffed, fully funded arm of the military.

And this wouldn't happen anymore. And the Nisshin Maru would be an artificial reef. And so on, and so on.

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