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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:01 PM Jun 2014

Hillary Clinton: Laws passed after 9/11 gave the executive branch too much authority

Source: The Guardian

By Dan Roberts, The Guardian
Wednesday, June 18, 2014 8:17 EDT

Hillary Clinton has thrown her weight behind political efforts to rein in US surveillance powers in her most forthright criticism yet of the National Security Agency (NSA).

The former secretary of state, who has hitherto largely stayed out of the debate sparked by leaks from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, called on Congress to restore constitutional privacy protections weakened after terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre.

“We are finally taking stock of the laws that we passed after 9/11,” she told Fox News interviewer Greta Van Susteren. “We did all of this in an a hurry because we were worried and scared and now we need to take a step back and figure out how we make sure that the balance between liberty and security is right.”

Clinton, who admitted in an earlier CNN interview that she had disagreed with her husband’s cautious support for Snowden, defended the government’s legal right to carry out some bulk collection of American data but said she now backed efforts in Congress to change the law.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/18/hillary-clinton-laws-passed-after-911-gave-the-executive-branch-too-much-authority/

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Hillary Clinton: Laws passed after 9/11 gave the executive branch too much authority (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2014 OP
“We are finally taking stock" AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #1
+1. Since before it was done. grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #3
We did all of this in an a hurry because we were worried and scared and now we need to {think}. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2014 #2
keep thinking like Karl Rove wants you to and Jeb Bush will be your next president. olddad56 Jun 2014 #13
she is tip-toeing a fine line grasswire Jun 2014 #4
But she voted for the PATRIOT Act didn't she? nt alp227 Jun 2014 #5
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #11
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #19
Yeah, but... Dopers_Greed Jun 2014 #6
And why did so many of her putative supporters reflexively defend it in lockstep? villager Jun 2014 #26
No shit! sakabatou Jun 2014 #7
hunh. who was it that helped pass those laws again? frylock Jun 2014 #8
Too Little Too Late billhicks76 Jun 2014 #9
No, Hillary isn't the greatest or close but she sure as hell doesn't equal bush. That's lazy Cha Jun 2014 #22
Truth Hurts billhicks76 Jun 2014 #25
Yeah, too bad you don't have it. Cha Jun 2014 #28
I Wish That Were True billhicks76 Jun 2014 #30
“We are finally taking stock of the laws that we passed after 9/11,” Solly Mack Jun 2014 #10
! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #12
OK, let me get this straight. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #14
So is she for it or against it, or for it befroe she was against it, or just BS'ing us as blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #15
I vote for BS. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #16
No shit mysuzuki2 Jun 2014 #17
Gotta wipe the muck off the boots prior to a 2016 bid. nt Earth_First Jun 2014 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #20
I was wondering how our economy, and standard of living got so good with the do nothing Congress. kickysnana Jun 2014 #21
Congress takes 20 years to make a decision on anything. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2014 #23
It's the post-shame, post-decency era. woo me with science Jun 2014 #24
So DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #27
Not all of us were "worried and scared" tularetom Jun 2014 #29

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
1. “We are finally taking stock"
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jun 2014

Must be the royal 'we', because your BASE has been making noises about it since the day it was done.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,446 posts)
2. We did all of this in an a hurry because we were worried and scared and now we need to {think}.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jun 2014

With all due respect, wasn't that part of your job description at the time?

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Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
6. Yeah, but...
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jun 2014

If she thinks that, then why did the administration she was part of gladly use that "too much" authority.

Cha

(297,220 posts)
22. No, Hillary isn't the greatest or close but she sure as hell doesn't equal bush. That's lazy
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:16 AM
Jun 2014

Last edited Thu Jun 19, 2014, 07:02 PM - Edit history (1)

talk.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
30. I Wish That Were True
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:10 AM
Jun 2014

Im not a hater. I would give anything to believe what you do and have it be true. But I just don't see it.

Solly Mack

(90,766 posts)
10. “We are finally taking stock of the laws that we passed after 9/11,”
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:26 PM
Jun 2014

Huh...huh...huh...huh...

Damn.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
12. !
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jun 2014


- When Congress can write our rights in, then they can also right them out. Those aren't rights. Rights are either YOURS to have and to hold; or what we've got is PURE BULLSHIT that can be altered on a whim.......

In the Bill of Rights of the United States, there is an attempt to secure certain freedoms and protections by way of mere text on paper. Now while I understand the value of this document and the temporal brilliance of it in the context of the period of its creation, that does not excuse the fact that it is a product of social inefficiency and nothing more.

In other words, declarations of laws and rights are actually an acknowledgment of the failures of the social design. There is no such thing as 'rights' - as the reference can be altered at will. The fourth amendment is an attempt to protect against state power abuse, that is clear. But it avoids the real issue, and that is: Why would the state have an interest to search and seize to begin with? How do you remove the mechanisms that generate such behavior? We need to focus on the real cause.

We have to understand that government as we know it today, is not in place for the well being of the public, but rather for the perpetuation of their establishment and their power. Just like every other institution within a monetary system. Government is a monetary invention for the sake of economic and social control and its methods are based upon self-preservation, first and foremost. All a government can really do is to create laws to compensate for an inherent lack of integrity within the social order.

In society today the public is essentially kept distracted and uninformed. This is the way that governments maintain control. If you review history, power is maintained through ignorance.

~Peter Joseph

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
14. OK, let me get this straight.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:23 PM
Jun 2014

She claims miscalculation for the IWR vote and now she's trying to say they didn't have enough time to review the Patriot Acts. Honestly, all she had to do was venture out of her political bubble but that's not really the reason for her votes. The reason for her votes was she thought it would help her politically. She didn't give a shit that she was sending thousands to their deaths, she didn't give a shit that the Patriot Acts virtually did away with the 4th Amendment -- what she did care about is her own political interests and that's the truth.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
15. So is she for it or against it, or for it befroe she was against it, or just BS'ing us as
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:00 PM
Jun 2014

"Candidate Clinton," only to do a 180 degree flip the nanosecond she steps into the Oval Office, like others have done recently?!?!

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
17. No shit
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:29 PM
Jun 2014

Sherlock. The question is, what will she do about it if and when she is president? It has been my observation that few people ever voluntarily give up power.

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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
27. So
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 06:36 PM
Jun 2014

This naturally means that Hillary will list out exactly which powers she would give back if she were Elected president right? Of course not. She will look forward to using them and stretcvhing them, as will her second in command, Bill.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
29. Not all of us were "worried and scared"
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 07:44 PM
Jun 2014

That's a pretty lame excuse for voting to trash a constitutional amendment.

Just because she read it in the Washington post back in 2002 didn't make it true.

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