More than 400 US military drones crashed in past 13 years, report says
Source: Guardian
More than 400 large US military drones have crashed around the world in the past 13 years, a Washington Post investigation has found.
The Post obtained documents detailing accidents including collisions with homes, farms, runways, roads, waterways and even an air force transport plane in midair. Several drones vanished while at cruising altitude and were lost.
In April, an army drone crashed next to an elementary-school playground in Pennsylvania; in 2012 an unmanned navy surveillance aircraft nose-dived and ignited a wildfire in Maryland.
Of the 418 major drone crashes since September 2001 that the newspaper identified, about half happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and nearly a quarter were in the US. Almost 200 of the crashes were classed by the military as class A, meaning they destroyed the aircraft or caused at least $2m-worth of damage, though no loss of life was attributed to the accidents. Problems included pilot error, mechanical failure and communications challenges.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/21/400-us-military-drones-crashed-13-years
MADem
(135,425 posts)And the USAF was saying "Over our dead BODIES will we have anything to do with those stupid things...you need a PILOT for this kind of work!!!!!!!!"
Yeah, you need a pilot, paid a third what a commissioned pilot is paid, sitting in a container in a desert half a world away....
If we've crashed hundreds, imagine how many the Chinese and Russians have crashed? They've got robust programs themselves, they're just not quite so advertised as ours.
AAO
(3,300 posts)That's like 3 crashes a month. Not a great track record.
USians seem to have no problems about flying Predator drones all across the world, even with no explicit "war" declared (except the ubiquitous "War on Terror" that excuses all), and these things fire Hellfire Missiles, and we know often in "double-tap" operations deliberately styled to wipe out "collateral" targets. So if USians have no problem with that, why should USians have a problem if the same wonderful 21st C. technology is used directly against them, against their own families?
Put it another way: if USians, through "bipartisan" efforts, feel righteous about utterly lawless and totally terrorist military operations throughout the world, against targets who can't conceivably be construed as "existential threats to the USA", shouldn't they feel equally righteous about those identical techniques being used in continental USA?
MADem
(135,425 posts)We are WAY past the foot-stomping/outrage point on this matter. It's a done deal.
I remember a "drone program" going back to the immediate post-Vietnam years and plenty of those didn't go anywhere, they were glorified toys that you see in the hobby aisle.
It's unclear from the article how many of these things crashed in the early stages, how many were shot down, etc.
In any event, the horse has left the barn, has gamboled in the fields of sweet hay, and taken off across the countryside:
http://rmgsc.cr.usgs.gov/UAS/
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/05/05/montgomery-county-fire-department-using-drones/
I think that this is going save lives, and its also going to save property loss, and its going to save us time, Montgomery County Fire Department assistant chief Mike Clemens told WNEWs John Domen, who got an exclusive look at the new machines. It is exciting because its another element to make us better.
Fire officials believe the reconnaissance the drone can provide while a fire is burning will be invaluable.
Something like this can hover at the height of a building, about 25-30 feet above it, Clemens said.
The high-definition camera mounted on board is capable of sending still shots and video to crews on the ground, so they dont have to guess where to target the blaze. This can be especially helpful in highrise building fires.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/08/drone-list-domestic-police-law-enforcement-surveillance_n_2647530.html
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has released an updated drone authorization list as a result of a Freedom of Information Act request made by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), a non-profit organization for digital civil liberties.
The new list reveals 81 entities that have applied for permission to fly drones in U.S. airspace, including a number of government agencies and universities. Seventeen police departments and sheriff's offices across the country have also filed, among them are stations in Little Rock, Ark., Gadsden, Ala., Miami, Fla., Ogden, Utah, and Seattle, Wash.
Universities that can be found on the list include California State University, Cornell University, Kansas State University and Penn State University, among others. In addition, the Indian Tribal office in California, has made a request to be allowed to fly UAVs....
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Organized crime will start running these, or a special version of them. No one will have to hire assassins anymore. It's coming...
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact.
The primary aim of modern warfare is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living.''
~George Orwell, 1984
Owl
(3,641 posts)Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:59 AM - Edit history (1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_PredatorAnd not all drones are as expensive as a Predator, the smaller ones used by the Army & Marines are much cheaper.
Keep in mind the unit cost of a F-16 is almost $19 million and real time tactical reconnaissance would require a manned aircraft if not for drones, although the crash rate would be likely be lower.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)OV-1 Mohawks (generally fitted with three sensors - a radar that tracked moving targets, a camera and an infrared sensor) very rarely crashed (sometimes they blew the fuck up 300 feet off the end of the runway or shut down when they were doing a run-up test, but if you could manage to get the thing away from the airfield they very rarely crashed), and no Guardrail (a Beechcraft King Air with signals intelligence intercept equipment in it) or Quickfix (a helicopter with a direction finding head and a jammer) has ever crashed.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)Something the Guardrail and Quickfix don't do. Absent drones tactical reconnissance would be taken over by F-16's or F-15's with camera pods underneath and yes the crash rate will be lower with manned aircraft.
We have lost a Guardrail in Afghanistan, almost certainly pilot error:
http://www.examiner.com/article/mc-12-crash-kills-3-americans-crash-raises-more-questions-than-answers
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)We operated over southern Iraq during Operation Southern Watch, enforcing the UN imposed no fly zone when I first got there.
We'd lose a Predator now and then.
Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)annm4peace
(6,119 posts)just wondering how much these things cost.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)DRONES OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION...!
Good for our Homeland (should we say HEIL?) Use and for dealing with Pesky People in Other Countries.......
Woo Hoo...Wish I had the damned companies in my 401-K. There's FUTURE PROFIT IN "Them Drones"...good for 'MURCA and GOOD FOR WALL STREET! We are foolish if we don't include WMD in our Portfolios... After all "Savings Accounts" for the PEOPLE are so "20th Century."
Sorry...not in a good mood tonight. 's Probably went OTT...with my rant.