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alp227

(32,019 posts)
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 05:36 PM Jun 2014

Escondido Planning Commission Rejects Shelter For Immigrant Children

Source: KPBS

The Escondido Planning Commission voted unanimously against allowing a 96-bed shelter for unaccompanied immigrant children to open in a former nursing home. Commissioners cited concerns about insufficient parking for staff, and potential noise and safety impacts on neighbors, among others.

Some 500 people showed up for the hearing Tuesday night at the Escondido City Council chambers, packing the hallways and spilling out of the building.

The Planning Commission listened to comments from the public for nearly three hours — most of them in opposition to the proposed shelter — before voting 7-0 to reject the proposal. Some of the speakers had worries about potential noise, traffic and security risks. Others had bigger political concerns.

“By allowing this facility here in our hometown, we’re condoning what the federal government is doing that’s illegal,” said Karen Seibold, who lives near the proposed shelter site. “And that’s essentially leading these kids falsely to come to our shores and stay here.”

Read more: http://www.kpbs.org/news/2014/jun/25/escondido-planning-commission-votes-down-shelter-i/

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cvoogt

(949 posts)
1. serves them right
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jun 2014

Kids... who do they think they are that they deserve human dignity? Who says they deserve that? Oh, human rights maybe. Oops.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
2. I feel sick after reading the comments there.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:32 PM
Jun 2014

A unanimous vote... to reject a shelter for children. Welcome to the land of the free and home of the brave. When did so many in America become so uncharitable? When did so many people become so ignorant, so unwilling to help those in need? Is this what our Country has become? That we sneeringly ignore the plight of children who came here in the hopes of a better life? We're talking about CHILDREN. What the fuck is wrong with these people? Bigger political concerns? What the hell is a political concern in comparison to the life of a child? All of those people who opposed this shelter for children can go fuck themselves with a harpoon.

There must be someone we can petition, some place where someone has the land and the resources to offer these kids some shelter, some hope.

I feel sick.

alp227

(32,019 posts)
3. The '80s. (Weren't the 80s the "me decade"?)
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:43 PM
Jun 2014

I hear both the '70s and '80s referred to as the "me decade". But in any case, thanks to a new individualist, anti-welfare state wave in America that began with the election of Reagan and continued in the '90s with Clinton "ending welfare as we know it" and then the rise of libertarianism in the new millennium - this "I've got mine, screw you" mindset has become hip in America, with a ignorant, selective view of American history as framed by the "power of the individual" or name your "me me me" type of language you see on right wing media.

You know what's funny when you hear people say "I don't want illegals being on welfare or getting free tuition?" It seems that lots of people in America tolerate a welfare state - as long as, y'know, the right people use the resources.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
4. This one just breaks my heart.
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:08 PM
Jun 2014

I think about my own son, living far away from me now, in another State. I think about how I would feel if something happened and he had to flee to another Country. I think of how I would hope for him, hell, even pray for him - though I've been agnostic for years. I would desperately want whatever land he went to to at least give him a chance, to offer him food and shelter and the possibility of a better life. That's why a lot of our own ancestors came to America in the first place.

Now they're finding bodies in mass graves, rejecting shelters to house children, screaming in arrogant, ignorant, selfish, egotistical rants that these people are somehow subhuman, that because they weren't here first or here legally, they should all be shipped back over to the border to face who knows what. They're children.

Yet these same assholes, these motherfucking shits without charity, honor, or any sense of decency... they call themselves Christian. They have the nerve to call themselves Christ like, they attend churches that supposedly honor and worship a man (and God) who said that we should be generous. Who said that we should be charitable, that we should forgive. That we should feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit those in prison.

You know, the more time goes by, the less I like being an American. These assholes don't speak for me - if we're going to ship anyone out, it should be them.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
7. True, although I believe the 70s were referred to as the 'you generation' pointing at what was wrong
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 11:49 PM
Jun 2014

and working to change it; the 80s was the 'me generation' that many of us abhorred as they went for the money instead of mankind and the planet; and the 90s were said to be the 'we generation' that would pull all of us together. In my life, the ones who were humane or liberal or progressive didn't change with the generations, and battled those of our same generation. Example being the anti-war like myself, in conflict with the hawks. These groups most likely have not changed. I see the major problem is that this country has an identity problem as consumerism and mass media define everything. Without the constant influence of hateful media, this would be a vastly different world. And some people simply gave up and let the voices become their own thinking, without thinking. We are now being faced with nihilism and sociopathic views that will lead to the death of many of us.

One thing I thought of as I read the piece, it was a home for elders that was now vacant being offered. Well, where did the elders go?

I've seen places where elderly lived in for years and then were sold off, with some NGOs in collusion with state agencies to sell them to a developer and dump them all out when they are poor and unable to defend themselves. I don't know the area this happened in at all but I wonder if the protestors cared about the elders, either.

alp227

(32,019 posts)
8. LOL, it's San Diego. As rich, right wing, and "I've got mine" as you can get.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 01:52 AM
Jun 2014

The KPBS article has some gray haired people in the photo. I'd say yes to your last question, but I guess as long as the "elders" = their own parents or whoever.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
11. Escondido is deep inland, suburban SD County. Hating Immigrants is their civic tradition.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:06 AM
Jun 2014

Escondido even passed a "ban on renting to illegals" in 2006. It's not an especially rich community, just a very ideologically paranoid, bunker mentality place. Politically way more aligned with Lancaster & Bakersfield than San Diego proper. (both SD City Council and County Board are majority Democratic)








alp227

(32,019 posts)
12. But. I wonder how many Escondido residents have hired "illegal aliens" as housekeepers,
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jun 2014

lawnmowers, gardeners, janitors, cooks, or in any other "dirty job" (a.k.a. "jobs Americans won't do&quot ?

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
13. They're blind to their own hypocrisy. It's grandanoiad Issa/ nepohawk Hunter territory.
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 06:16 AM
Jun 2014

With typical RW tunnel vision, the Escondido mind cannot entertain two thoughts at once, hence zero aptitude recognizing irony.

A lot of Hell's Angels and crack dealers and assorted pathomarginals live in Escondido/Fallbrook & the locals seem perfectly comfortable around them. Never a peep of protest.

truthisfreedom

(23,146 posts)
9. It seems like all issues are complicated these days.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 02:17 AM
Jun 2014

I wish problems like this were solved in a 20s-40s style. The US used to be a country that could get things done in times of no budget.

Judi Lynn

(160,526 posts)
10. Sure hope the Escondido Planning Commission won't imagine it should be proud of itself.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 03:26 AM
Jun 2014

They've shown they are anal, hate-filled, and unworthy. How can anyone get that ugly?

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