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reddread

(6,896 posts)
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:00 PM Jul 2014

L.A. Senator clarifies Valley 'tumbleweeds' comment on high-speed rail

Source: Fresno Bee

Sen. Kevin DeLeón, the soon-to-be leader of the California Senate, raised eyebrows throughout the San Joaquin Valley recently with disparaging-sounding remarks about the state's controversial high-speed rail project.

In the June 21 piece by Los Angeles Times writer George Skelton (and published Friday in The Bee), DeLeón -- a Democrat from Los Angeles -- said that "it's illogical" to begin construction of the bullet-train network in the Valley because "nobody lives out there in the tumbleweeds."

"I don't think it makes sense to lay down track in the middle of nowhere," DeLeón was quoted as saying. The column added that DeLeón "supports the concept of high-speed rail, but with the caveat that track-laying begin in the Los Angeles and San Francisco areas."

The six counties of the central and southern San Joaquin Valley, from Merced in the north to Kern in the south, are home to more than 2.8 million people. Unemployment rates across the region run from a low of 9.5% in Madera County up to 12.5% in Merced County, compared to 8.2% in Los Angeles County.





Read more: http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/07/02/4007991/la-senator-clarifies-valley-tumbleweeds.html?sp=/99/217/&ihp=1



Democratic California Senate leader?
poor choice.
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L.A. Senator clarifies Valley 'tumbleweeds' comment on high-speed rail (Original Post) reddread Jul 2014 OP
DeLeon is one of our true Jackass senators, it's a crying shame that he's a D. NYC_SKP Jul 2014 #1
W...well... how else are you going to connect one city to another? DRoseDARs Jul 2014 #2
The Democratic message across the entire world is that delrem Jul 2014 #3
speak for yourself, and the rest of the world if you like reddread Jul 2014 #4
Your representatives LEAD. That's the very idea of it. delrem Jul 2014 #5
the very idea of what? reddread Jul 2014 #6
If you live in a democracy, then they represent you. delrem Jul 2014 #7
what fact? reddread Jul 2014 #8
Oh come on! You can do better than that. delrem Jul 2014 #9
by all means, please do reddread Jul 2014 #10
No, you don't. Bye. nt delrem Jul 2014 #12
it also shows a lack of understanding of networks: MisterP Jul 2014 #11
So he essentially said "it's flyover country." Igel Jul 2014 #13
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. DeLeon is one of our true Jackass senators, it's a crying shame that he's a D.
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jul 2014

He doesn't even deserve to be a senator, much less senate leader.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
3. The Democratic message across the entire world is that
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:31 PM
Jul 2014

we are led by those we elect.

So, first priority is obviously that we perennially and tirelessly work to ensure that the electoral mechanisms are TRUE.

Second, a culture that has enough self-awareness to understand the value of #1, above, will assuredly promote honest wannabe politicians.



 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
4. speak for yourself, and the rest of the world if you like
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jul 2014

I wish to be represented. I dont need to be led.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
6. the very idea of what?
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:00 AM
Jul 2014

They lead illegal invasions and by necessity fail to secure justice for all.
If thats leading, dont expect me to follow.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
7. If you live in a democracy, then they represent you.
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:03 AM
Jul 2014

That's *your* point, right?
What they actually *do*, in office, is to LEAD, in exactly the way that your term "represent" implies.

You can't back out now. Sorry if that fact inconveniences you.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
8. what fact?
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:13 AM
Jul 2014

you are speaking in hypotheticals.
I refer to contemporary history.
faith based politics is no different than faith based politics.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
9. Oh come on! You can do better than that.
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:20 AM
Jul 2014

The "fact" in question is that *I said* that we are led by those we elect.

*YOU* took issue.

Now COME ON!

I'm gonna put you on ignore if you can't do better than this.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
11. it also shows a lack of understanding of networks:
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 12:23 AM
Jul 2014

a build out from SF and LA would indeed start connecting the more heavily-traveled routes (LA from north, east, and south, SF-Sacramento), though it'd be slower and costlier than the Central Valley (which segment was probably built); HSR isn't a replacement for commuter rail or airplanes, it's its own mode, midway in speed between the two of them: so you have some full-service runs that go to Bakersfield or Gilroy or Covina or make two San Diego stops--and then a lot that just go downtown LA-downtown SF: local service connects all these little suburbs and exhausted exurbs to the centers, while express service almost entirely replaces air travel (for up to like 600 miles)

the Central Valley route gives more bang for the buck than a Costal-Range alignment giving the finger to Fresno to shave off a few minutes for the megalopitanians (is that a word?)

unlike some cocktail-napkin sketch that we're told to ditch everything for, we have French, German, and Japanese precedents to theorize upon (so no Billings-to-Denver routes)

Igel

(35,319 posts)
13. So he essentially said "it's flyover country."
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:48 AM
Jul 2014

And got the same kind of response from the people who live there for his retrograde comments.

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