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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:07 AM Jul 2014

Bergdahl Is Set to Resume Life on Active Duty

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — Six weeks after being released from five years in Taliban captivity, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is expected to return to life as a regular Army soldier as early as Monday, Defense Department officials said late Sunday.

Sergeant Bergdahl has finished undergoing therapy and counseling at an Army hospital in San Antonio, and will assume a job at the Army North headquarters at the same base, Fort Sam Houston, the officials said.

He is also expected to meet with Maj. Gen. Kenneth R. Dahl, the officer who is investigating the circumstances of Sergeant Bergdahl’s disappearance from his outpost in Afghanistan in 2009.

Sergeant Bergdahl’s transfer from the therapy phase to a regular soldier’s job is part of his reintegration into Army life, officials said. He will live in barracks and have two other soldiers help him readjust.

-snip-

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/14/us/bergdahl-is-set-to-resume-life-on-active-duty.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=2&referrer=

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Bergdahl Is Set to Resume Life on Active Duty (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2014 OP
SHAME!!! heaven05 Jul 2014 #1
He still has to worry about a courts-martial yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #4
Is that what you want for him, heaven05 Jul 2014 #5
Whatever is right is what I want yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #9
of course, we know all that heaven05 Jul 2014 #12
I agree with 100 percent of you second portio yeoman6987 Jul 2014 #14
Not over yet wercal Jul 2014 #15
unlikely to happen because there is zero proof PatrynXX Jul 2014 #16
I don't know about them, but what *I* want for him... cactusfractal Jul 2014 #30
Clever little dig at a POW there. Kingofalldems Jul 2014 #20
Here's the deal on Bergdahl: The Army is responsible for putting him and his TwilightGardener Jul 2014 #28
exactly right heaven05 Jul 2014 #34
Former general and FRC leader Jerry Boykin wonders why Bergdahl wasn't shot. Archae Jul 2014 #19
I'm confused. Chakab Jul 2014 #2
Has he talked to his parents yet? former9thward Jul 2014 #3
Indeed, and many rightwing blogs made much of the fact that he wrote, rather than spoke msanthrope Jul 2014 #8
I rarely speak to my own dad PatrynXX Jul 2014 #18
His parents are deeply religious. Beau was wavering in his faith before he enlisted riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #17
I wish him all the best. nt msanthrope Jul 2014 #6
Is it possible that the right wing was wrong about Sgt. Bergdahl? Botany Jul 2014 #7
No they weren't wrong and here's why rpannier Jul 2014 #10
But what about the IRS? Botany Jul 2014 #11
Agreed rpannier Jul 2014 #32
Fox News coverage. ::crickets chirping:: EEO Jul 2014 #13
DUzy! freshwest Jul 2014 #23
A Major General is investigating why he was captured???? happyslug Jul 2014 #21
may be on to something riverwalker Jul 2014 #27
Sounds like the Taliban knew his habits and decided he was worth capturing. happyslug Jul 2014 #33
Has he met with his family yet? nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #22
I can see it all now: RWNJs see names Dahl and Bergdahl to say it's all a false flag coverup! freshwest Jul 2014 #24
More trial by public opinion, not even charged yet, or likely to be, why do so many fall for the Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #26
Best of luck to him. riqster Jul 2014 #25
Freepers haven't got wind of this yet. They are going to go Berserkoid !!!! Monk06 Jul 2014 #29
OK, so we can assume he'd jumped through the fitness for duty hoops, and he's on some sort of LIMDU. MADem Jul 2014 #31
The right-wing reaction to Bergdahl's release is absolutely mind-blowing Hugabear Jul 2014 #35
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
1. SHAME!!!
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:13 AM
Jul 2014

on all those that wanted this SOLDIER pilloried and then drawn and quartered. SHAME!!!!!! WELCOME HOME SGT. BERGDAHL. Not from a patriotic point of view, just from a brother in arms point of view. I don't feel very patriotic these days.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
4. He still has to worry about a courts-martial
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:20 AM
Jul 2014

Which is still possible. He made a remarkable recovery for someone on his death bed.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
9. Whatever is right is what I want
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:33 AM
Jul 2014

If he is found to have left the post on his own accord then they need to give him an opportunity to explain himself and see if his explanation is acceptable or not.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
12. of course, we know all that
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:51 AM
Jul 2014

I figure that has been reviewed by now. If he is found to have been derelict in his duty, he should face punishment. Yet knowing the military psychologists and their ability to interrogate when it doesn't seem like interrogation, he's in the clear. I just am sickened by those who judged, tried and executed him before the whole incident was investigated. People who rushed to judgement on Sgt. Bergdahl are the same type of person that gave the bush administration administration SOME of it's flawed rationale that got us into these meaningless incursions in the first place. They are not the type of people I want judging ANY situation where life is put into harms way.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
14. I agree with 100 percent of you second portio
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:28 AM
Jul 2014

And 90 percent of the first. I am not sure the investigation before POW had been completed. However a lot of folks were horrible towards the family for no reason at all.

wercal

(1,370 posts)
15. Not over yet
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:32 AM
Jul 2014

Per the article, the investigation is still ongoing, and he has yet to be interviewed by the chief investigator.

There have been two tracks - recovery and investigation. Until this point, recovery has super-ceded investigation.

Its really just beginning now, as he is 'clear for duty', and the investigation will begin in earnest.

I have no idea how it will turn out, but I would not interpret this latest move to indicate the investigation is nearing its end...rather the opposite.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
16. unlikely to happen because there is zero proof
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:44 AM
Jul 2014

they've said this..

there is no proof. just hearsay like Swift boaters and John Kerry

cactusfractal

(496 posts)
30. I don't know about them, but what *I* want for him...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 03:33 PM
Jul 2014

...is justice. I have defended his RIGHT to justice under the UCMJ since this started from those who wanted him

Fragged
Summarily executed
Left with the Taliban
Bombed by our own forces
Rescued and then shot in the desert
And much, much more...

and none of these sees the irony in defending America as somehow "better" while howling for Bergdahl's head absent an investigation and a formal legal finding of guilt.

If the military justice system finds he deserted, then to hell with him. Until that time, I'll reserve judgment. So should we all.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
28. Here's the deal on Bergdahl: The Army is responsible for putting him and his
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:04 PM
Jul 2014

platoon mates in danger, and they know it. He was previously found mentally unfit for military service, and they waivered him and put him on the front lines--a huge mistake, no different than putting someone with a known heart defect, or kidney disease, or seizures on the front line in combat. They had to get him back, because THEY put him in that very wrong situation to begin with. The Army will eventually quietly discharge him, he will most likely not face any discipline more than administrative-type punishment. Your dream of watching this poor guy "get his" isn't going to happen, because mental illness is a very real condition, and those types of people often can't handle the stress of everyday life, let alone combat in one of the ugliest years of the Afghanistan war. As to his condition, the Taliban was warned last winter not to starve him or the deal was off, so they fattened him up--mostly for propaganda. The photo of him "smiling" early in his captivity shows an extremely gaunt young man, he looks like a concentration camp victim standing beside his captor. Just ridiculous, the spew I read about this poor man on a DEMOCRATIC website.

Archae

(46,337 posts)
19. Former general and FRC leader Jerry Boykin wonders why Bergdahl wasn't shot.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:55 AM
Jul 2014

Boykin has already convicted him in his far-right "mind."

Jerry Boykin Wants To Know Why The US Didn't Kill Bowe Bergdahl

Submitted by Kyle Mantyla on Monday, 7/14/2014 10:29 am

Yesterday, The Daily Caller posted an interview that Ginni Thomas conducted with the Family Research Council's Jerry Boykin in which he called for President Obama to be impeached over the Veterans Affairs scandal and Benghazi while wondering why captured Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was not killed by the US government like Anwar al-Awlaki had been. As Boykin sees it, the trade of five Taliban leaders in exchange for Bergdahl's return was "so phony" because Bergdahl was a known deserter who was no different than al-Awlaki. "Al-Awlaki was an American citizen," Boykin said. "He was assassinated by the Obama administration because he was a traitor, he had turned on America. I'm glad he's dead. I have no issue with that. But what's the different between al-Awlaki and Bowe Bergdahl?" Saying that Bergdahl had already been found guilty of desertion by the military, for which the punishment is death, Boykin declared that "there's no logic" to the swap "except that this was all about closing Guantanamo and they had to have the sequence of events unfold the way they did so they could release these five people out of Guantanamo":

- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/jerry-boykin-wants-know-why-us-didnt-kill-bowe-bergdahl#sthash.R3hwuFPo.dpuf

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
2. I'm confused.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:14 AM
Jul 2014

When are they transferring him to Guantanamo to be locked up with his Taliban brethren?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
8. Indeed, and many rightwing blogs made much of the fact that he wrote, rather than spoke
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:31 AM
Jul 2014

to his parents.

I think it is up to him to choose how he wishes to communicate with his family, and not our business.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
18. I rarely speak to my own dad
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:47 AM
Jul 2014

as I can't afford to leave .. and he's in the same bloody house. now how the hell am I expecting the above to happen (dads tea party, I assume he thinks I'm radical left. I'm not. and some here would know I'm a bit of both right and left mostly left. Right wing section would be some of my religion and some of illegal immigrants (mostly because I know a few LEGAL immigrants and they resent illegals more than I do.

but yes bit off topic. )

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
17. His parents are deeply religious. Beau was wavering in his faith before he enlisted
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:47 AM
Jul 2014

I keep thinking the delay in reunification may hinge on the religious questions. His parents raised the kids in complete homeschooled religious immersion.

He was/is an intelligent guy. I wonder if seeing the utter religious immersion of the Taliban didn't provoke some real angst. It would for me. He has to see the parallels. If he's come out of this experience an atheist, he may be mentally unwilling and/or unprepared to endure their Jesus talk anymore.

Or....

I presume he was under enormous pressure to convert as well while a Taliban prisoner. If he did convert to save his life he may also be reluctant to face that yet with his uber religious parents.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
7. Is it possible that the right wing was wrong about Sgt. Bergdahl?
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:29 AM
Jul 2014

Seems like the Army might not have bought into the smears about Sgt. Bergdahl by the
right wing who can never let something positive happen on President Obama.

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
10. No they weren't wrong and here's why
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:39 AM
Jul 2014

Benghazi
Bergdahl's name is suspiciously similar to Benghazi
So therefore they're right

And even if they aren't... What about the birth certificate?

Botany

(70,516 posts)
11. But what about the IRS?
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:46 AM
Jul 2014

The atacks on Sgt. Bergdahl and his family were shameful and un-American.

rpannier

(24,330 posts)
32. Agreed
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jul 2014

But they'll never admit it, the media (for the most part) won't hold them accountable, thjey'll just move on to the new talking point

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
21. A Major General is investigating why he was captured????
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jul 2014

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is a Sargent. If the army was looking only at him, a Captain or other officer SENIOR to him (and that is ALL Commissioned Officers) could be assigned to do the investigation. The only restriction is that the investigating office MUST be SENIOR to anyone who MAY be CHARGED.

Thus why is a MAJOR GENERAL doing the investigation? Major General is a two star General (Outranking Brigadier General, but lower then Lieutenant General, a "Full" General and not used since WWII General of the Army. That implies that someone is looking into some Colonel's actions in the case, or more likely inaction. Why was Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl permitted to take the walks he was captured on? Was he armed, or unarmed? (I believe the reports was he was unarmed, but then why was he NOT restricted to barracks OR required to take a weapon with him?).

Something is up, and I do NOT think it is a Court Martial of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. If he should be Court Martial has already been decided for those facts are well known. i.e. He took walks when things became to stressed for him, for it was a way to relieve that stress. That is understandable and not on its face illegal. The real issue was he told NOT to take these walks. Then that would be a simple case of disobeying orders. If he was permitted to take such walks in areas where the Taliban were active, why did he NOT have a weapon? Remember he had taken such walks BEFORE and always came back, thus his command structure knew or should have known of this tendency and addressed it. I suspect that is why a Major General is in charge of the investigation, who issued what rules on the issuance of weapons AND what restrictions on movement of the troops, were imposed on the troops by whom. Issuing such restrictions on movement AND distribution of weapons is at least a Captain's job, and in most cases a Colonel's.

Now the actual insurances of weapons and imposing the restrictions on movement are done by the NCOs, but the overall rules are set by the command structure. i.e. your Sargent may be able to release you to do as you want, but ONLY within the confines of the orders to that Sargent to what he can do. If the Colonel says no one outside the barracks after 1800, the NCOs can NOT overrule that order. If the Colonel says no one outside passed midnight, but the NCOs can imposed earlier times, your NCO can still say no one outside the barracks after 1800. If the Colonel says the NCOs can NOT impose an earlier time, then it is Midnight no matter what the NCOs want.

Thus I suspect some general policy as to people leaving the barracks OR the issuance of weapons of people who do is in question. Such decisions are made by Commissioned Officers, generally field grade officers (Majors, Lieutenant Colonels and Colonels). Something is up and it deals with Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl but I suspect it also deals with others, some of whom wear field grade insignia.

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
27. may be on to something
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jul 2014

the interviews the "platoon mates" gave before they had the PR man Brad Chase represent them for FOX appearances, or GOP operative Richard Grennell pimping and prepping them, differ than what they say on RW media now. They don't mention the 2 missing Afghan policemen anymore.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/bowe-bergdahls-views-shifted-after-first-taste-of-war-1402101487

Pfc. Bergdahl began to spend more time with the Afghan police officers the U.S. Army was training at a rustic outpost built in a dry ravine next to a small graveyard in eastern Afghanistan, some fellow soldiers said.
But there were times when he hiked up the hillside to visit with Afghan police officers, former soldiers said.
"There were a couple of times when he did leave the lower outpost to go up on top of the mountain, and they didn't know where he was," said Mr. Korder. "He walked out of the concertina wire, up the hill to where the Afghans were to hang out with them."
As the search kicked into high gear, Mr. Korder said investigators discovered that two Afghan police officers at the outpost also were missing. "Maybe you follow a plan with some guys you know and trust," said Mr. Korder, "and they end up turning you in to some criminals."
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
33. Sounds like the Taliban knew his habits and decided he was worth capturing.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jul 2014

Our Afghan "Allies" are and were NOT to be trusted. They loyalty was to whatever sub clan of their tribe they belonged to (Notice NOT the Tribe, for the Afghan Tribes are NOT the Centralized tribes of Iraq and the Middle East, but more like the US Native American Tribes during and before the Westward Movement of America, i.e. more collections of groups that rallied around popular leaders, then the more hierarchy tribes of the Middle East)

As such they loyalty is to whoever is their leader (which can change over night, through the Afghan tend to be more centralized then Native American Tribes, but not up to the level of the Middle Eastern Tribes). Thus the two missing Afghan Police is significant. Who had them join the US side to provide intelligence. Someone in the Taliban Side decided a US POW was valuable and decided to obtain one when he heard of Bergdahl's habit of going alone and unarmed to see the Afghan police officers. Someone in the Taliban hierarchy decided a US POW was worth giving up two spies who were in the Afghan Police. The actual police officers may have took them to the Taliban, or the Police may have just told the Taliban snouy Bergdahl's habits and left the Taliban take care of the details of capturing him.

I have read elsewhere they was an extensive search for Bergdahl after his capture, but he was long gone (Again implies a plan not something spur of the moment are part of the Afghan Police and/or the Taliban).

Thus who left him go alone to the Afghan Police officers location? Who left him go unarmed? What was the official policy as to leaving the unit area? Most units in combat says you can NOT leave the unit area (They want to be able to find everyone in the unit quickly if something comes up). I hate to say this, something smells about his capture, and I do not suspect Bergdahl's is at fault. If Bergdahl's position is that he not only went to the Afghan Police Position, but his unit knew about it for he told everyone where he was going, then why was he NOT told to take a weapon with him? Since he did this before, why was he NOT told NOT to do it after he did it the first or second time?

Something is not right here, and I do not suspect Bergdahl.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
24. I can see it all now: RWNJs see names Dahl and Bergdahl to say it's all a false flag coverup!
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:35 AM
Jul 2014
You know they will...

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
26. More trial by public opinion, not even charged yet, or likely to be, why do so many fall for the
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:57 AM
Jul 2014

armchair jury duty?

When you do that you fall right into the arms of Fox News and corporate media propaganda.

Refuse to serve.

Congratulations to the last POW in captivity, Fox and the corporations are not the people of America, they are just the loudest voices in the room.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. OK, so we can assume he'd jumped through the fitness for duty hoops, and he's on some sort of LIMDU.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jul 2014

The HQ (likely make-work) job is one clue. If he were totally cleared, he'd be given a duty station and orders--or the option to pack his bags and go home.

His enlistment has to be up at this point in time, and I'm sure if he re-upped that would be noted. However, they can't let him out until he jumps through all those hoops so he's working on involuntary extensions at this point in time.

What's funny is how all the conservatives are ripping this guy and his family like they're a bunch of hippy dippy peace-nikky flower children, when in actual fact, they're fundy Bible thumping, gun loving "survivalist hippie" conservatives...! They raised this kid to be a teabagger--and I guess it didn't suit him...?


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/02/us/many-sharp-turns-in-bergdahls-path-to-army.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=Marginalia&pgtype=article
KETCHUM, Idaho — In 2003, the year he turned 17, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl left his mark on the wet cement floor of the Strega Tea Bar Gallery and Cafe, a swirling design signed with a florid “B.” The drawing is a lasting statement that this liberal-tinctured ski resort town, where he took ballet and fencing lessons, met artists and debated philosophy, had become his second home.

His first, a dozen miles south in Hailey — the worker bee colony to Ketchum’s moneyed hive, some residents called it — was a different place altogether. There, Sergeant Bergdahl was home-schooled by his parents and taught a conservative theology of biblical inerrancy. He learned the ways of guns, became a crack shot and developed an abiding interest in the military. For years, his family’s rustic cabin had no telephone.

“It’s pretty worldly up in Ketchum,” said Lee Ann Ferris, a neighbor of the Bergdahls in Hailey. “Down here, kids aren’t exposed to as much.” .... “We wanted to teach them truth, not necessarily the way the government has written history,” said Jean Rosser, a mother of six whose family became close to the Bergdahls from the time Sergeant Bergdahl and his older sister, Sky, were small. “The world began with Genesis, not with the Big Bang.” The Bergdahls, Ms. Rosser said, felt the same way.

Though they lived in a remote area, the Bergdahls were not reclusive. Along with other home-school families, they skied at Sun Valley, learned about building log homes and practiced winter survival skills. In his spare time, Sergeant Bergdahl spent many hours at shooting ranges and read books about military strategy and martial arts, with a particular interest in the Samurai and Ninja warriors of Japan.


Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
35. The right-wing reaction to Bergdahl's release is absolutely mind-blowing
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 01:08 PM
Jul 2014

Before his release: "WHY ISN'T OBAMA DOING WHATEVER IT TAKES TO RELEASE OUR SOLDIER?"

After his release: "WHY DID OBAMA MAKE A DEAL TO GET THIS TRAITOR SCUM RELEASED?"

This really, truly is a case of hating someone so much, that they'll take any position as long as it's in opposition to them.

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