The struggle against Israeli Apartheid gets stronger every day.

to build infrastructure in Israel per the card agreement. i am proud of that. There have been Israel haters forever. They will lose.

next year along with 5 other people. 3 of us have been there before and three never - we're all looking forward to it.

I am a history nut and Israel is full of it.

the other three that we're all looking forward to seeing a lot of the same stuff over again. We're planning 2-1/2 weeks and you're right about the history. You can't turn a corner without running into hundreds and even thousands of years of it.

You hold them in your hands, can almost feel the history of humanity in those little pebbles. Tiny pieces of ancient buildings that cover those lands.

that they displace and discriminate against an entire group of people, many of them whose families were THERE FIRST, in order to build such "infrastructure"? How is that any different from the sufferings brought on by anti-Semitism? It is NO different at all. Suffering persecution and discrimination does not then give a group the right to turn around and do the same damned thing to another group. I am ashamed and disgusted that my tax money goes to that.

So I guess we all have our problems.

They are a pseudo-protectorate of the U.S. I for one am tired of paying for Israel to kill other human beings.

Time has come to cut off all aid to Israel in all forms. No more cultural exchanges. We should withdraw ambassador and stop any information sharing.

Israel would be on its knees in 2 weeks.

You wish it would. No, your time has come and gone. There was a time when Israel was a economic basket case but no more. It is the only country in the region with a vibrant stable economy and a military no one can touch.

Why do we still give them BILLIONS in aid every year if they are so "powerful"?

Please call your congress critter and Senator today and tell them Israel doesn't need any further military or other assistance, including information sharing. They can stand on their own two feet without our help.

I dare you. You won't because you know they are totally dependent on the U.S. for their survival.

Including the Palestinians, Egypt, Jordan and Israel. We would see who would survive...

It's not so much to help Israel as it is bribery to encourage cooperation with us. The same goes for Egypt and the Gulf states. Even in countries with an actual need for aid, it's usually more about keeping the government on friendly terms with us.

practices apartheid, what do the surrounding regimes practice?

I daresay Muslims in Israel have more rights than Muslims in Saudi, etc. Not to even begin mentioning non-Muslims.

but, I would not go to that region of the world if someplace froze over. I have absolutely no desire to visit Israel or any place nearby.

it would be in any country.

It's a one sided debate, just imagine how many Israeli children Hamas would kill if only they could.

killing, now do we?

The whole "Hamas would kill more people if they could argument is such bullshit". I'm guessing before abolition these same people would be saying "well the blacks would use us whites as slaves if they had the means".

The different justifications they find for killing babies and children is remarkable.

Hamas children are dying because that is what Hamas wants. Why is it that when the Israeli's tell people to leave a certain area because they will attack it, Hamas tells them to stay? I'm pretty sure its not written anywhere in Israel that they don't except the Muslim people but I know for a fact its in the Hamas charter that Israel must be destroyed.

when someone won't stop until they kill you, at some point you need to come to the realization that you have to defend yourself to live.

Take your victim blaming elsewhere. And Israel could give as many warnings as they want, it doesn't matter when there is no place to fucking go and hide!







Tell me how desperate you would be without reliable electricity, water, sewage, food, etc.....

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got news it wasn't and the West Bank is grossly almost to the point of dishonest s to how much conquered territory Israel has left, the Palestinians only have complete control in 18% of the West Bank Israel has complete control of 62% the remaining is combined control

You have your versions and I have mine and unless you and I were there at the time we will just go round and round. Fact is, in 1967 Israel was invited by three countries and by the rules of war, won that land. They were not the aggressors but they finished it. They gave the land back in the name of peace and consistently have been attacked from the very land they gave back.

If you can tell me that Hamas wants peace with Israel and its Israel that is impeding said peace I will agree with you, but we all know the truth. How is it that Israel can have a peace with Egypt as long as they have but not Hamas. More facts, the Palestinians have been pawns of the Muslim people for a very long time, many more Palestinians have been killed by Muslim countries than Israel. I wonder if it only counts to some on this board because its Israel.

Maybe Hamas should be building hospitals and schools instead of using the same building equipment to build tunnels and bunkers to attack Israel.

and how is it that Israel can have peace with Egypt but not Hamas? For starters is Israel blockading Egypt's waters and airspace? Is Israel blockading Epypt's borders? Oh and Egypt has things like an actual air-force, tanks, artillery guns and has given Israel quite a run for its money in the past

as for '67 Israel started the war by attacking Egypt when Egypt blockaded it's own territorial waters

"Our objective is the freeing of Palestine and the liquidation of the Zionist existence," declared the Syrian chief of staff, while the Iraqi president proclaimed, "Our goal is clear -- to wipe Israel off the face of the map." Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser, who ousted U.N. peacekeepers from the Egypt-Israel border and blockaded Israeli shipping through the Straits of Tiran, foresaw a "total war . . . aimed at Israel's destruction." Bracing themselves for the onslaught, Israelis called up their army reserve, hoarded gas masks, and dug trenches and thousands of graves. Yet even these preparations seemed insufficient. "We shall destroy Israel and prepare boats to deport the survivors," the Palestine Liberation Organization pledged, "if there are any."

Those are direct quotes, and you have it completely wrong and backwards.

Let me help you out even more, from the Hamas Charter

Article 13Article Thirteen: Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences
[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion; the nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its faith, the movement educates its members to adhere to its principles and to raise the banner of Allah over their homeland as they fight their Jihad: “Allah is the all-powerful, but most people are not aware.” From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that condition, as a prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance Movement, which is aware of the [prospective] parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conferences are capable of responding to demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did the Unbelievers do justice to the Believers? “And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah [himself] is the Guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the knowledge which has come unto thee, then you would have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.” Sura 2 (the Cow), verse 120 There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game.

Hamas does not want peace and no matter what Israel does short of packing up every Jew and leaving this planet will they be satisfied but even that won't stop it and you know it.

and reality says no conquered territory does not belong to the conqueror

I'll steal your wallet, but I'll be generous enough to give you back 2 dollars.

If you've been lurking for a long time I have no need to tell you not to expect a particularly warm welcome. But there are those who will do so with open arms.

I have been lurking for years but never felt the need to post until now. My family has been involved in the democratic party all my life and it has only been in the last year or two that I'm getting concerned about what I read on certain boards. I know the majority are good people and ever group has its fringe.

It's, uh, quite nasty...

Where forgo got theirs from?

I wasn't asking you to ask me about something else.

It's just that the site you got that image from is a pretty nasty anti-Muslim site.

I just looked where I got it from and its called outsidethelinesblog or something like that. It is written by a guy named Louis Lapides who is one of the Jews for Jesus type people, that is to say, he was born jewish but believes in Jesus. Reading his blog I don't see a lot of hate there, just a lot of Jesus stuff.

If you right click on the image and select properties you can see what site it came from...

It's byline is 'It isn't Islamophobia when they're really out to kill you.' It goes on to spew a whole lot of ugly and bigoted shit about Muslims.

Good reason for not answering the question.

but look, the Pal are about in the same Gaza spot! I think that is really amazing!

1620: All Indian land except for Plymouth Rock, Jamestown, St. Augustine and Santa Fe

By about 1890 the white part has expanded to include everything except today's reservations.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10287182/Israeli-propaganda-war-hits-social-media

A computer lab staffed by students in an Israeli university is playing a key role in the war of information in the Gaza conflict.

Inspired by the role of social media during the Arab Spring and boosted by the support of the Israeli government and Israel Defence Force, student volunteers at the Interdisciplinary Center (IDC) Herzliya, a private university north of Tel Aviv, are waging their own propaganda war countering online anti-Israeli sentiment.

Staffed by approximately 400 student volunteers the project which goes by the name "Israel Under Fire", claims to have succeeded in closing anti-Israeli pages on Facebook and challenging propaganda from Hamas, the organisation that governs the Gaza Strip and whose military arm is firing rockets at Israel.

According to Igal Raich, a 23-year-old IDC student who volunteers in what is called "The Advocacy Room", the project aims to counter what is perceived as a false representation of Israel in international and social media through Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.

"It is run by students who are all volunteers," said Raich, who grew up in Canada before moving to Israel to study and also served in the Israeli military. "The school gave us a computer lab to work from and from nine in the morning until eight at night it is constantly full with student volunteers."

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Just sayin'

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

also a couple years into a massive housing bubble, just like the USA went through. Anyone can get a mortgage on all the brand new homes developers are building everywhere.

Just wait about 10-15 years when lenders have earned all that fine profit from the mortgage interest payments, then the foreclosures will start.

The entire world has a problem with Corp. owned media & Corp. controlled humanity.

What would you do if missiles rained on your country?

and fenced you into an open air prison?

Seriously though, the Pal and all the people from that area of the world have thousands of years of history. And the past 100 years have pretty much settled what countries will be there forever more. I very much doubt 'The Kingdom of Israel' will ever go away again. The Pals and all other countries will have to work something out or they will be evicted if there are missiles or human bombs set off.

That area is the birthplace of written religions. The birthplace of the 3 major religions in general.

And the first area of the world humanity spread to- from when humans actually evolved & walked out of Africa.

However, I prefer that we respect sovereign countries and their borders.

extermination exposed properly either.

You can find thousands of maps online, go ahead and use search and not depend on one map from our "todays- republican" political party ruined Gov.

missile launchers, missiles and paid for the extensive tunnel system?

That's the country that needs to be outed in World Public. Hamas can't afford those weapons, some other country also wants Israel gone.

Of course that 'unexposed country' doesn't care at all about Pals or Israels children or adults.

Basically, avoid all war zones. Even flying over one at 33,000 feet is deadly dangerous.

the danger? It couldn't possibly be that they're trying to keep their citizens as safe as they can, can it? No - I'm sure there will be those delusional enough to think otherwise.

They make places like Costa Rica sound like Afghanistan.

in the first place. They get enough of my tax money to use to occupy, brutalize and murder Palestinians and perpetuate their illegal settlements, I'm not giving them any more of it.

And when the seminary I attend sponsored an Israel-Palestine expedition, the report the students and accompanying faculty brought back regarding occupation conditions suffered by Palestinians and Gaza, it was especially infuriating. Even the Jewish students at the seminary (it's Christian, but ecumenical, so we also have Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., students. Hell, we even have some atheist and agnostic students, lol!) were horrified; some already knew of it and were against such policies.

You will also miss the places where he taught the masses about peace, caring and treating children with dignity

Matthew 19 vs 13-15

13 Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." 15 After laying His hands on them, He departed from there.

A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO GOV RICK PERRY (Thug Perry could also learn something from this)

your wallet is still on your person. And if you happen to be carrying the deed to some desirable property? Forget it -- it'll be gone.

Considering the way Israelis stole practically every piece of private property from the Palestinian people over the decades, there's a good reason to be concerned.

I suppose this kind of shit is to be expected around here now. But for god's sake, can't we at the least have a moderator take a look now and then, and delete this kind of ignorant bigotry?

Maybe in the future when a peace settlement is in place that everyone can live with and this sort of violence - either on the part of the government or Hamas - is a long distant memory then I would consider going.