The chains are completely off, Whew......................

They take leaving no soldier behind to a whole different level. Not to mention getting ambushed during a ceasefire, And Israel has the ability to devastate gaza in short order in hours not days. I have no dog in this fight nor will I respond to any side, Its just a statement that now that they have taken a soldier its gonna get so much more intense. Personally I despise war on any level at this point in my life.

was captured so what ? look at the blood of children all over Gaza

You seem to have forgotten that.

If a so-called ceasefire is supposed to last four hours, for instance, I can see where isolated fighters might not even hear about it until hours after it has lapsed. After all, it's not as though Israel has scrupulously maintaining the Gaza cellphone network to facilitate ceasefire updates for Hamas.

That's how they call the faithful to prayer. They could insert a Cease Fire PSA.

I don't think Hamas is an organization that functions in the same way that many posters think organizations function.

It was Hamas who broke the cease fire and you know this How? because the IDF said so...get real...

Some 95% of the 64 Israelis who have been killed during the current fighting are soldiers; some 75% of the nearly 1,500 Palestinians who have been killed are civilian....what does that tell you about terror tactics ....gee I hope I am not put to Jury for putting up those stats ....

on many occasions that this is want they want to do. Kidnap Israeli soldiers (just like they did with the one they swapped for 1000 prisoners). I know everyone here prefers to think the best of this terrorist group but THIS is what they do. By the way, they also denied they were responsible for kidnapping Gilad Shalit at first. But you believe a terrorist group - I'm sure they appreciate the support.

Hamas: “Israel Violated Ceasefire, Fighters Retaliated”

Friday August 01, 2014 - 15:26

The Media Office of the Islamic Resistance Movement, Hamas, issued a press release accusing Israel of repeatedly violating the 72-hour ceasefire, shortly after it started, an issue which pushed armed resistance groups to retaliate, and clash with invading soldiers. Full Story

That'll teach'em!

What if they killed their own soldier? They hate more than love their own.

they're the only country that will trade live prisoners for a dead soldier. Because they don't care about them.

WTF?

nt

Israeli soldiers can only be "kidnapped," because they're innocent victims.


Must maintain the narrative at all costs.

Then a passing terrorist forced the victim into his car, and . . .

A soldier operating in enemy territory was captured.

if he had been at home having dinner with his family, that would be a kidnapping.

The IDF is soooooo overrated in my opinion. Seems as if they lack teamwork.

It's one soldier. The last soldier was Gilad Shallit. Do you really doubt they could raze the entire Gazan strip if that were their aim?

its pretty much razed.

CAIRO - Egypt told the Islamic Jihad Friday it is delaying talks on a long-term Gaza ceasefire, the Palestinian militant group said, after Israel revealed one of its soldiers may have been captured.

"The Egyptians contacted the Islamic Jihad and said Israel told them that a soldier has been captured," the group's deputy leader Ziad al-Nakhale said. "The talks have been postponed."

An Israeli army spokesman said an initial 72-hour truce that began at 0500 GMT on Friday was over after the suspected abduction of a soldier "in an incident where terrorists breached the ceasefire".

But Hamas's deputy leader Moussa Abu Marzuq said "any operation was conducted before the ceasefire started".

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=67392http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=67392

GAZA, Aug 1 (KUNA) -- Israel officially said Friday that the 'humanitarian truce' in Gaza Strip, announced by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon late Thursday, that went into effect earlier is now over and military operations were in progress on the ground.

The Israeli announcement came only hours after the truce began earlier on Friday. After the ceasefire began, Gaza's streets began to fill with Palestinian families. Israel said that serious security developments and severe acts made it breach the truce when some fighters from Gaza infiltrated into south Israel via a tunnel and battled fiercely with Israeli soldiers.

However, Izzuddin al-qassam Brigades said that some of its members infiltrated into Israel two hours before the truce went into effect and targeted a home in which Israeli special forces hided. A spokesman for Israel army said that those fighters managed to captivate an Israeli soldier.

Israel resumed its attacks of the beleaguered Gaza Strip, killing at least 50 people, most of whom are women and children, according to a medical source in the strip.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2390184&Language=en

When Hamas conceals personnel in civilian structures, Israel claims free rein to bomb the shit out of Gaza and kill civilians with impunity, but Israeli special forces hiding in civilian structures are off-limits?

Unfortunately, Hamas has a rather nice deal in which they use Palestinian children as their shields, thereby killing them. Not only has Hamas done nothing for the Palestinians, but it has taken their money (which sources donate to the Palestinians), gotten them killed, and enjoyed glory off their misery.

Of course, since they're under forced occupation in a shrinking parcel of land, there's nowhere for them to go that isn't in close proximity to civilians.

That doesn't give Israel carte blanche to murder civilians, however, no matter how passionately Israel claims otherwise.


Why is it that when Israel bombs Palestinians in an act of retaliatory collective punishment, it's considered an act of defense, but when Hamas launches ineffectual rockets in response to the murder of Palestinian civilians, its considered an unprovoked attack on the poor Israeli victims?

GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Hamas confirmed that their forces had carried out the capture of an Israeli soldier on Friday, but strongly contested the version of events put forward by Israel.

The Hamas-affiliated Al-Qassam Brigades said that "there has not been any Israeli soldier in eastern Rafah for the past 20 days, but as soon as the ceasefire was announced the Israeli movement in the area began at 2:00 a.m., (moving) 2.5 kilometers into eastern Rafah."

"In response to that, our fighters clashed with Israeli soldiers in Rafah at 7:00 a.m., killing and injuring many."

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=717395

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An army statement said that “initial indications suggest” that the soldier had been “abducted by terrorists” when militants attacked troops working to destroy a Hamas tunnel at 9:30 a.m. local time, an hour and a half after the cease-fire took effect.

Two soldiers were killed in the incident.

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Although a Hamas spokesman said it would abide by the cease-fire, its officials had said earlier that they would not agree to continued Israeli operations against the tunnels.

The army said it was “conducting intelligence efforts and extensive searches in order to locate the missing soldier.” Witnesses reported heavy artillery barrages and firing from Israeli helicopter gunships in the area of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/08/01/235084/gaza-cease-fire-collapses-hamas.html

Does Hamas really think this is a good strategic move?

I think the IDF kept going on after the tunnels, in Gaza, and when they did, Hamas attacked them there, possibly elsewhere too. I was worried that would happen last night when I went to bed, but did not want to fan the flames or give anybody ideas.

As near as I can tell, both sides went into the cease-fire with reservations, IDF intending to still go after the tunnels, Hamas not accepting the IDF staying in Gaza, any of Gaza. Might have been OK if the IDF went back to the border and worked on the tunnels on that side, maybe.

Yes, I think they do. That requires some assuptions about their goals and how they see the conflict, but in the terms in which I am able to make sense of their strategy, yeah, they do. That's all I'm willing to get into it now.

I think we are maybe halfway to getting a cease-fire everybody can abide by.

I guess what I'm suggesting is that, in taking this action, Hamas must recognize that Israel will step up the military offensive in response. I'm wondering if Hamas is thinking about trying to pull off another trade, a la Shalit, or what.

Both sides fight dirty.

You are quiite right this can get worse, that seems to be the way to bet. But you never know until it happens. People might come to their senses.

Would be to renounce violence and recognize Israel. That would blow some minds!

I was not intending to single out Israel, I think both sides are nuts.

I'm just saying both sides ought to start thinking outside the box for once. Otherwise we're going to get more of the same.

Another indication of how much Israel value the lives of Palestinians compared to Israelis.

That they will go for another similar swap?

A relative of the Defense Minister. Oopsie.

I think in light of the current situation, the only result will be an increase in the fighting and a reluctance to agree to future cease fires. I feel like this action will only make things worse for the Palestinians in Gaza, but who can say for sure.

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The White House said on Friday that the reported Hamas attack in Israel would be a "barbaric" violation of ceasefire

White House's Deputy National Security Adviser called on world leaders to join condemnations of Hamas's actions.

"This is an outrageous action and we look to the rest of the world to join us in condemning it," he told MSNBC television.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest told CNN. "And that apparently Hamas individuals used the cover of a humanitarian ceasefire to attack Israeli soldiers and even to take one hostage. That would be a rather barbaric violation of the ceasefire."

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20140801&id=17826651


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Killing 1,500 Palestinians is "regrettable;" capturing an invading soldier is "barbaric."

we all seem to be living in. Up is down, black is white, killing children is A-OK while capturing soldiers is "barbaric."

I'd say the Palestinian deaths should be the focus right now. Get back to me when Hamas kills something like 1500 people, 'K?

Rumours began circulating about the captured soldier this morning, and at around lunchtime the Israeli military spokesman announced that they feared a soldier had indeed been taken.

The Israeli defence forces have named the captured soldier as Lieutenant Hadar Goldin, 23, from Kfar Saba.

Channel 4 News understands that the soldier is from a family of British Jewish immigrants. It is also understand that he is a cousin – either second or third – of Israeli's defence minister, Moshe Ya'alon.

THE IDF spokesman said that around 9.30am Israeli soldiers came under fire in an area around the border of the southern Gaza Strip and "there's a fear" that during the incident a soldier "has been kidnapped by the terrorists".

http://www.channel4.com/news/gaza-israeli-soldier-british-captured-hamas-ceasefire

I realize that the soldier might be killed in the attack, but that's never stopped them from killing innocent people before.

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is blaming Hamas for violating a humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza and is demanding the immediate and unconditional release of an Israeli soldier reportedly captured after it started.

Ban urges both sides "to show maximum restraint and return to the agreed 72-hour humanitarian cease-fire that tragically lasted such a brief period of time," U.N. spokesman Stephane Dujarric said.

The U.N. chief condemns Hamas' reported violation of the cease-fire which "is likely to have very serious consequences for the people of Gaza, Israel and beyond," Dujarric said.

"Such moves call into question the credibility of Hamas' assurances to the United Nations," he said

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2713428/UN-chief-blames-Hamas-breaking-cease-fire.html

There goes that cover.

When Moon actually blames Hamas, it must be really flagrant.

Hamas has to be destroyed. There is no other way.
You can't negotiate with liars and murderers.

Hamas will never be destroyed

the fighting will go on for the next 2000 years - I predict

The Arab league couldn't g.a.s. About Hamas.

Actually they can and will be degraded.

is the Blockade of Gaza....how many years now...I want to know what is the basis for Moon's statement...how does he know what happened...heck Brennan CIA chief assured the Congress no one had spied on it ..

The scrambling to exonerate the terrorist hamas has been pretty nauseating.

US president Barack Obama blamed Hamas for the swift collapse of the latest Gaza ceasefire, accusing the Palestinian group of launching a "barbaric" attack.

President Obama said on Friday it would be "very hard" to get another truce in the Gaza Strip unless Hamas showed it was serious about laying down its arms and could be trusted to keep its word.

"If they are serious about trying to trying to resolve this situation, that soldier needs to be unconditionally released, as soon as possible," Obama told a surprise press conference.

"I think it's going to be very hard to put a ceasefire back together again if Israelis and the international community can't feel confident that Hamas can follow through on a ceasefire commitment."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/us-accuses-hamas-gaza-truce-breach-20148120376379906.html

refusing to do a ceasefire.

They live off this, Hamas. They take money donated to Palestinians and live rather nicely. ALL Palestinian terrorist groups have done the same exact thing. Filling their Swiss bank accounts with money donated to Palestinians. Meanwhile, they use Palestinian children as shields.

Which Palestinian group do you think should be their leaders? Which group of Palestinians do you think would not fall into the category of "terrorist" in your mind?

I honestly think Abbas has the best interests of the Palestinians in his heart.

Israel was moving 1.5 miles into palestinian territory when they were supposed to stand in place?

Oh really?

1,650 Palestinians dead (80% or so civilians)
9,000 Palestinians injured
Over 250,000 Palestinians displaced and seeking shelter in U.N schools (even more seeking shelter elsewhere)
5,000 homes destroyed
Hospitals targeted
U.N shelters targeted
Schools targeted
Mosques targeted
etc, etc....


And Israel and its apologists want sympathy for a single soldier who was invading Palestinian land with a gun in his hand and carrying out operations against the Palestinians?

What world are we living in where there is outrage for an invading soldier being captured (or possibly killed by his own country after they bombed his captors), YET complete silence (and sometimes even cheering) when it comes to all the casualties and destruction the Palestinians have suffered from Israel bombs?


Did I wake up in a different reality than the one where the world was so outraged that the Russian backed rebels accidentally shot down a civilian aircraft filled with civilians?
Because I look at the above figures and wonder how on earth there can be such outrage against Russia YET not one iota of outrage against Israel when they have made the Russian death look like a dwarf in comparison.

In the last two months - not counting the airplane.

It actually seems like Israel is getting many more iotas of outrage around the world than the folks in Ukraine, whose casualty count, though not nearly as high as Gaza, is still pretty awful.

Really?

You think all those sanctions being placed on Russia is not a sign of outrage from the world?
You think the fact that the U.S and EU constantly condemning the rebels as well as their Russian backers is not a sign of outrage?

The problem is that while the EU and U.S condemn and sanction Russia and its rebels, those same countries sit quietly by whilst Israel damages Gaza more than the rebels in Ukraine could ever dream of doing.

The problem is that whilst the US condemns Russia for arming the rebels, the US itself supplies and arms (and keeps supplying) Israel to continue to destroy and kill Gazans.

The problem is that for some reason when it comes to Israel (America and its allies) completely flip the script and blame civilian deaths caused directly by Israeli missiles on anyone but Israel.

Imagine if Russia were to suddenly place the blame of the downing of the plane over Ukraine squarely on the shoulders of the West under the justification that the West started this situation and as such the West carries full responsibility for the shooting down of the plane with Russian missiles?

Imagine that???? Would you or anyone around the world except that justification if it came from Russia?

I would think not, so why are we expected to except that stupid justification from Israel and its apologists?

I did not insinuate that some lives are worth more than others.